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[Tarl_Cabot]

OK Loomis, here's the article that Jaelle was kind to share after spending her valuable time translating:

From a tabloid newspaper called O Dia ("The Day"), a review of Brosnan's Bond after TND's release: "What has happened to anglo men? This new James Bond has no balls. The Chinese girl in the latest film is a better man than he is. She is an ugly who shows him how to save the world. This James Bond is not even a faggot. At least a faggot can pretend to be a man."

From an entertainment magazine in Sao Paulo called "Imprensa Vanidades" which means "Press Vanities" or "Vanities of the Press", after the release of TWINE:

"When Sean Connery was James Bond, he was in control. Women could never fool or lie to him. He understood bad women. Timoty Daltonh [they misspelled his name] was very serious but we understood that he was extremely dangerous. He was ferocious when his friend was hurt and--as any man should--took revenge for his own honor and that of his friend. But Pierce Brosnan? Even his name sounds like it belongs to a girl. He kisses like a little girl, he carries a gun like a faggot. He loves his own face than the body of any woman. When he makes love, he looks like he is happier [censored]ing himself. When he stands at a bar wearing a tuxedo, he looks like a faggot model looking for a mirror and a date at a gay bar. James Bond has become a eunuch."

I didn't have to edit this. The PMS are now automatically edited! WTF?

[Loomis]

We're south of the border. It's a man's world.

[SnakeEyes]

DAD doesn't really have that much to it, other than the odd Moonraker piece.

TMTGG is just a coincidence and the torture is nothing of the nature of Casino RoyalE.

By this very logic then, it means Casino Royale (Niven's film) is a better Bond flic, just on Fleming elements alone: Bond, who's mission is to bancrupt 'The Cypher', travels to Casino Royale with the help of a woman double agent Vesper, he loses at Baccarat untill he gets bailed out by a donation and then bets it all and wins all in one fell swoop of luckyness.
Vesper is then kidnapped and Bond goes in persuit only to be captured himself and tortured by Le Chiffre (on a chair with no bottom and a carpet beater is in the scene!), only to have Chiffre shot (by 1 bullet between the eyes no less) and discovers Vesper is a double agent.
Also present is the characters of M, Moneypenny (who stands in for Lil, Bond's secretary, and who ends up basically as Bond's secretary) and also the French police guy Mathis.

Hell, that makes it almost to the level of Goldfinger. Much better, of course, than any of Brosnan's or Moore's films and equalling Dalton's.

Classic Bond, so big it needed 7 James Bonds just to get through the amazingness of it all.

[SnakeEyes]

Ahahahaha that article is fukin class.

Where is Jealle these days?

[Tarl_Cabot]

too busy and splitting time at AJB?

[Sensualist]

That's all very well, Sen, but the fact that the Flemings are being republished, republished and republished again while most of the continuation novels are out of print and look likely to remain so ought to tell you something.

It tells you that the new generation of movie-goer who grew up with GoldenEye-Die Another Day and has become a James Bond fan as a result of the movies and the video games are wanting to investigate the origins of the character.

That is a good thing. Then there are the 'complete-ists' who want to have it all. The DVDs, the soundtracks and the Flemings.

Sensualist's (thanks to the parents) first FIVE cinematic experiences were:

re-release of You Only Live Twice (before DAF)
Diamonds Are Forever
Moonraker
For Your Eyes Only; and
Octopussy

As you can see, Sensualist grew up with Connery and Moore. They ARE Sensualist's James Bond.

Brosnan's interpretation is a passable hybrid. Dalton's, though original in his own right, is the least favourite interpretation. Lazenby doesn't rate.

[Tarl_Cabot]

We're south of the border. It's a man's world.

Damn straight!

[Loomis]

Damn straight!

Or maybe not. Thinking about it, there's plenty of gaiety in LICENCE TO KILL: something's definitely going on between Sanchez and Dario (although there are indications that Sanchez, none too subtly clad in a pink shirt, fancies Bond, too), while Pam gets her hair cut short and keeps a gun up her skirt. How queer!

[Sensualist]

Sensualist mentioned last year that marktmutury's poster depicted Brosnan as an ageing homosexual.

Never seen Casino Royale. Could'nt be bothered watching it. And, yes, that whole scene just before DaltonBond falls after being drugged is laughable. Pathetic. Talk about homo and vulnerability. Dalton SUCKED d1@k in that scene. He couldn't hold a candle to Connery.

[Tarl_Cabot]

Jaelle?

[Atticus17F]

Dalton SUCKED d1@k in that scene. He couldn't hold a candle to Connery.

Charming. That'd be the same Connery who felt a bit queasy after a sip of Dr No's coffee, then?

Not badmouthing Connery, just pointing out the parallel.

[Sensualist]

Dalton SUCKED d1@k in that scene. He couldn't hold a candle to Connery.

Charming. That'd be the same Connery who felt a bit queasy after a sip of Dr No's coffee, then?

Not badmouthing Connery, just pointing out the parallel.

Sensualist DID think back to the scene in Dr No. Connery played it like A MAN. He even tossed aside the coffee with disgust. Was duped by a brilliant mastermind. Dalton, OTOH, fell down like a nancy boy being all emotive with the weak Kara. He didn't know which way was up or down. He was lost. He was duped by a weak and stupid little waif. Losing out to a weak Bond girl is pathetic! Connery IS the man. Connery is Number One...Sensualist's first cinematic James Bond. Connery saw Bond as "a complete sensualist" (The Legacy, page 37). Dalton saw him as a struggling, conflicted, emotionally-fragile/vulnerable weakling. Brosnan's interpretation is an off-shoot of Dalton's. Dalton is the one to blame. The loser started it. Thank goodness he was pushed out after only two. Connery rules.

Edited by Sensualist, 28 March 2004 - 05:01 PM.

[Atticus17F]

Sensualist DID think back to the scene in Dr No. Connery played it like A MAN. Dalton was like a nancy boy...

Hmmm... Dalton was drugged, fully dressed with his gun in his hand... Connery crumbled, armed only with his dressing gown and slippers.

In the dignity stakes, I think Tim wins.

[Loomis]

I'm surprised you're so down on Dalton, Sen. For some reason, I'd have thought you'd have really liked his films.

BTW, Jaelle once provided a run-down of Dalton's real life conquests. Makes very interesting (and, for blokes, envy-inspiring) reading.

[ChandlerBing]

Wow, with all of the so and so sucks dick and was a pussy in the role made me check to see if Aint-it-cool-news had taken over the site.

[Loomis]

Wow, with all of the so and so sucks dick and was a pussy in the role made me check to see if Aint-it-cool-news had taken over the site.

LOL!

I take it you don't disagree with Sen's comments on Dalton, Chandler?

[ChandlerBing]

Well, not to be politically correct here, people, but I don't like those words. Kinda ironic, I know, considering all of the [censored]s and [censored]s and whatever else words I use, but I still don't like them. So I am not going to use em.

For the record, Dalton was more convincing as Bond than Roger Moore was. Roger really didn't come close to what I thought Bond should be. As for Bond being vulernable, as long as they don't get Woody Allen in there again, I'll be a happy guy.

[SnakeEyes]

Is David Niven still alive? lol.

Future Bond right there.

"A good spy is a pure spy"

Damn right!

[Tarl_Cabot]

I'm surprised you're so down on Dalton, Sen. For some reason, I'd have thought you'd have really liked his films.

BTW, Jaelle once provided a run-down of Dalton's real life conquests. Makes very interesting (and, for blokes, envy-inspiring) reading.

yeah I remember...Dalton ****ed alot of hot women...like Fleming's odd business of getting married at 44, I believe Tim waited till like 52...The most Bondian of all Bonds off camera...

I am surprised by Sensualist's disregard for Dalton. He was a great but brief 007. I'll take quality over quantity any day, personally.

[Jim]

That's all very well, Sen, but the fact that the Flemings are being republished, republished and republished again while most of the continuation novels are out of print and look likely to remain so ought to tell you something.

There is that.

[H.M.Servant]

Connery saw Bond as "a complete sensualist" (The Legacy, page 37). Dalton saw him as a struggling, conflicted, emotionally-fragile/vulnerable weakling. Brosnan's interpretation is an off-shoot of Dalton's. Dalton is the one to blame. The loser started it. Thank goodness he was pushed out after only two. Connery rules.

I agree with you on that Connery did see Bond as someone was ruled by his own indulges. He enjoys his food drinks cars and girls. He also enjoyed the killing.
(from the ultimate guide to GF)
Connery was never really vunirable, which I think is a blessing and a shame at the same time because he was the one actor IMO who actually could've played it.
Too bad that he didn't do OHMSS instead of YOLT.

The only "problem" with Dalton's performance IMO is that he didn't bring the enjoyment of Bond to the screen. He always played Bond as someone who was fed up with MI6. But I don't agree with you that he was weak and wasn't in control or capable or whatever.

As for Brosnan, I'm convinced that with better scriptwriters he would have been on par with Sean (now comes second) Some of the storylines and character developments seem more fitting for Melrose Place than James Bond IMO

[Cabainus]

I agree that Bond has beome to sensitive to the point that it is almost embarassing.

Bond is supposed to be an anti-hero, willing to sacrifice almost anything and everything in order to complete the mission.

It would have been refreshing to have given Bond the occasional line or two that remind us that he is human after all, and I am not complaing about that.. but that business with Paris in TND, and killing Electra in TWINE when he is supposed to love her.. not to mention Bond being tortured in DAD.

Bond is fast turning into a modern day Mr. Darcy (for those that have seen Pride and Predudice) and frankly it is getting BORING!!

[Loomis]

You know, the more I think about it, the more I'm convinced that there's a tremendous gay subtext to GOLDENEYE (of a kind not found in any other Bond flick).

Virtually all the characters seem at least potentially queer: Natalya appears uncertain about her sexuality, shying away from Boris' innuendo and sneering at "boys with toys"; Xenia is clearly a butch lesbian; Bond behaves as though he's lost his lover rather than his best friend; and Boris discovers his true orientation midway through the picture when he sides with Trevelyan. Oh, yes, and if the fastidious, lisping Ourumov isn't homosexual I don't know who is!

Really, the only character who seems positively, definitely straight is Wade.... and even then 007 forces him to bare his bottom.

I'd be interested in reading gay CBners' views on GOLDENEYE. Or maybe zencat could explore this issue further - he's good at subtexts.

It's strange, is it not, that GOLDENEYE, alone among the Bond films, tries to sell us the idea that the most important relationship in the life of the supposedly great heterosexual seducer 007 was not with a woman (Tracy is not mentioned in this, Brosnan's debut outing) but with a man, 006.

Moreover, Bond is depicted as a chap whose relationships with women are highly dysfunctional. Throughout the film, he is criticised and belittled by members of the opposite sex, to a far greater extent than in any other entry in the series. Judi Dench's M dismisses him as a "sexist" and a "misogynist", while Samantha Bond's Moneypenny throws at him a number of stinging putdowns hardly typical of the character. Xenia casts jokey doubt on his sexual prowess; and Natalya lambasts his attitude to relationships. There is even a female psychologist who has plenty of less-than-complimentary things to say about 007's brand of masculinity.

But Bond is hardly alone: straight relationships get a rough ride throughout GOLDENEYE, with quite a few characters found wanting. Wade, we are told, has made a hash of two marriages and has already embarked on his third. Zukovsky yells at his girlfriend and seems to prefer engaging in "man talk" with Bond (and with male underlings huddled around). The admiral finds himself unable to perform with Xenia and literally dies on the job, while Boris "wouldn't know woman if one came up and sat on his head". There is even animosity between M and Bill Tanner. The sexes really don't get on in GOLDENEYE.

Or am I just reading way too much into the movie?

[ChandlerBing]

This reads like the movie was secretly directed by Joel Schumacher. Compare this to the "alleged" homosexual content in Batman Forever.

[trs007]

Actually Timothy's portrayal in TLD where he gets knocked out by a drugged martini is THE biggest faggot scene in the series. Talk about vulnerability. He LOOKED like a faggot there AND gets duped by a waif (the weakest Bond girl in the series)

Moore, too, gets duped quite easily by Anya on the boat in Eygpt. Although Anya is "stronger" than Kara, it still makes for another, as you say, faggot moment. I'm not quite sure who was more easily the fool there--Daltom-all along thinking he had Kara on his side, or Moore, who should have know better while the fight for the microfilm went on. I vote Moore, as the more easily duped when he should have been more suspicious.