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[Righty007]

As most of us know, Mrs. Bond, was murdered in 1969's On Her Majesty’s Secret Service by Irma Bunt and Ernst Stavro Blofeld. In 1981, For Your Eyes Only opens with Roger Moore's Bond visiting her grave. This is what her grave says:

TERESA BOND
1943 - 1969
Beloved Wife of
JAMES BOND

"We have all the
time in the World"

In 1981, only twelve years had passed since her death. Now, if Bond was to visit her grave today, could it still say 1943 - 1969? Pierce Brosnan's Bond was supposed to be born in the early 1960's as shown on the medical documents from 1999's The World Is Not Enough. This means the next Bond is probably supposed to be born in the early 1970's. So, if he visited her grave in a future film, the 1943 - 1969 wouldn't make sense. Maybe they could make it 1973 - 1999 for a future film? What are your thoughts on this?

Tracy References:

1. The Spy Who Loved Me - Major Anya Amasova and James Bond
2. For Your Eyes Only - James Bond
3. Licence To Kill - Della and Felix Leiter and James Bond
4. The World Is Not Enough - Elektra King and James Bond

[Qwerty]

Ah, a very fine noticing Righty. Personally, though, I really do wonder if we'll ever see Tracy's Grave again in the Bond films. It would be a nice bit of continuation to see though.

If it did happen, I bet they would probably keep it the same and just hope that no one notices, try and take the easy way out, but it does bring up some questions!

Good thread!

[Agent 76]

interesting fact but for me not important...though I think that seeing Tracy's grave again in a Bond film wound't be so bad at all.

[Kingdom Come]

Yeah, but Bond himself has changed into another person - so I think its not worth bothering about.

[Tanger]

It's been too long to be honest. It's best that she stays in the past.

[Triton]

I wouldn't mind seeing Tracy's grave in a future Bond film or an acknowledgement that Bond was once married. I just think it would be best if they didn't show the year of her birth and death since any date they would choose would cause future continuity problems.

[[dark]]

Mention Tracy, but it would be wise to disregard dates. That's the one thing one has to be careful about with Bond.

That's why this early mission stuff troubles me.

[booyeah_]

I like little tributes and continuities but if they show the grave don't change the dates. No offense but I think that's dumb. Historical revisionist.

[booyeah_]

As most of us know, Mrs. Bond, was murdered in 1969's On Her Majesty’s Secret Service by Irma Bunt and Ernst Stavro Blofeld.

She was?!!! Thanks for ruining it Mr. Spoiler!

[Righty007]

As most of us know, Mrs. Bond, was murdered in 1969's On Her Majesty’s Secret Service by Irma Bunt and Ernst Stavro Blofeld.

She was?!!! Thanks for ruining it Mr. Spoiler!

This statement totally contradicts your previous statement posted above. Therefore I know you are just being a silly goose.

[Harmsway]

Um, I'm not sure TWINE counts as a Tracy reference. Feirstein purposefully avoided that because he tends to think that Tracy's death was too far before.

There seems to be a fear of referencing Tracy that EON has. Originally, in GE, Alec Trevelyan (in that draft, actually Augustus Trevelyan) said "Or if you find solace in the arms of all those willing women, for the ONE you failed to protect." They changed it later.

Honestly, I don't know that they'll ever show Tracy's grave again just for the problems with dates that would occur. A nice Tracy reference would be fine by me, though.

[Righty007]

Elektra King says "Have you ever lost a loved one, Mr. Bond?" and Bond quickly changes the subject because he is very sensitive about Tracy. If Bond isn't thinking of Tracy, then who is he thinking of?

[Qwerty]

Very good point Chris.

They do make lots of dialogue flashbacks like that, but I wonder if they'll do something invloving a prop again soon, much like the grave in For Your Eyes Only.

[DLibrasnow]

Well we know that they still had the grave prop as recently as 1988 when the late Desmond Llewelyn posed with a number of the past props.

I'd like to see a reference to Tracy in Bond 21!

[Harmsway]

Elektra King says "Have you ever lost a loved one, Mr. Bond?" and Bond quickly changes the subject because he is very sensitive about Tracy. If Bond isn't thinking of Tracy, then who is he thinking of?

I think I recall Feirstein stating that the line referred to all the loves of Bond's life, not specifically Tracy. There's certainly room to read into that line, but I've read many Feirstein interviews in which he comments on that line and his attitudes towards Tracy and OHMSS, and I thought he made it clear that that line was more ambiguous than a direct Tracy reference.

[Righty007]

I'd like to see a reference to Tracy in Bond 21!

Me too!

[Qwerty]

I shall throw in my vote and also agree that I'd like to see a reference sometime soon.

[SirMiles83]

Elektra King says "Have you ever lost a loved one, Mr. Bond?" and Bond quickly changes the subject because he is very sensitive about Tracy. If Bond isn't thinking of Tracy, then who is he thinking of?

I never liked Brosnan's performance of that scene in TWINE. I like his performance as a whole in TWINE, a lot, but not that scene. Maybe the screenplay wasn't written to allow for a strong reaction by Bond, but why did he not register a facial emotion when she said that? It would have been better if Bond had immediately canged the subject or at least look a little disgruntled, IMO.

[[dark]]

Elektra King says "Have you ever lost a loved one, Mr. Bond?" and Bond quickly changes the subject because he is very sensitive about Tracy. If Bond isn't thinking of Tracy, then who is he thinking of?

Another school of thought is that Bond is actually thinking about his parents.

It would make sense as it is Elektra's father being discussed.

But I still believe he's thinking of Tracy.

[Xenobia]

I think there was supposed to be a reference to Tracy in DAD, when Graves would have "All the Time in the World" played at the party, just to take a dig at Bond, but they pulled that.

-- Xen

[DLibrasnow]

Just give us a reference in Bond 21!

[Triton]

I seem to remember reading somewhere that Michael G. Wilson threw-up his arms and said "I don't know!" when Purvis and Wade asked if James Bond was ever married.

With a movie franchise lasting over forty years with five different actors of varying ages portraying James Bond, references to the past are very troublesome. Pierce Brosnan was 16 in 1969 and Pierce's replacment may have been born after the date given for Tracy's death in On Her Majesty's Secret Service or may have been an infant at the time.

I think that Tracy, or the fact that Bond was once married, should only be mentioned if it is important to the plot of Bond XXI or any future Bond film. The films never seem to mention the fate of Bond's other lovers over the years. We never hear what happened to:

Honey Rider
Tatiana Romanov
Pussy Galore
Domino Derval
Kissy Suzuki
Tiffany Case Jones
Solitaire
Mary Goodnight
Anya Amasova
Holly Goodhead
Melina Havelock
Octopussy
Stacy Sutton
Kara Milovy
Pam Bouvier
Natalya Simonova
Wai Lin
Christmas Jones
Jacinta Johnson (aka Jinx)

So, I don't think a frivolous mention of Tracy is really necesary in a future Bond. I think that the references to Tracy in The Spy Who Loved Me and For Your Eyes Only should be sufficient.

[Qwerty]

I think there was supposed to be a reference to Tracy in DAD, when Graves would have "All the Time in the World" played at the party, just to take a dig at Bond, but they pulled that.

-- Xen

For real Xen?

That's very interesting, I've never heard that before!

[freemo]

No more references please. Best to look forward, not back.

[Alex Zamudio]

I wish we could have a reference to Tracy in Bond 21, Pierce Brosnan's James Bond is supposed to be Fleming's 007, the same guy in OHMSS, TSWLM, FYEO and LTK; films that are connected to Mrs Bond, so far all the Bonds in these movies, George (obviously), Roger and Tim, have had a reference to Tracy, so we need Brosnan's Bond to be related to these stories, I always liked to think that the TWINE scene mentioned was a sad reference to Teresa, but you guys have made me think otherwise!

Regards.

Alex

p.s. Connery in DAF didn't mention Tracy as EON was hidding OHMSS, one of their best films under a rug!!

p.s.s. Lazenby should've had his revenge on Savala's Blofeld in DAF.

Edited by Alex Zamudio, 16 February 2004 - 07:00 AM.

[Triton]

p.s. Connery in DAF didn't mention Tracy as EON was hidding OHMSS, one of their best films under a rug!!

I've often wondered if this was the work of Eon Productions or David Picker and United Artists. David Picker does say in the "Inside Diamonds Are Forever" documentary that they had to blame someone for the poor box office performance of OHMSS, and so they blamed George Lazenby.

Also David Picker is largely responsible for the return of Sean Connery in Diamonds Are Forever by sweetening the deal by agreeing to produce two films for Sean Connery on any subject he wished.

Perhaps Picker and UA put pressure on Eon to forget the events of OHMSS?

[Tarl_Cabot]

Put the flowers over the <1943-1969> and the problem is solved. I'd like to see Bond fall in love again...But not be a total wuss about it!

[ChandlerBing]

Have Bond fall in love like he did in Never Dream of Dying. Get someone like Catherine Bell as the love interest, get John Barry to do a fine score a la OHMSS, have a reference or two to Tracy, and you're on your way to a good Bond. THAT is what I would write if I were writing Bond 21. It would have a great deal of gratuitous sex and violence, but both the sex and the violence would have impact, make a point, and be relevent. James Bond would talk like James Bond instead of some Henny Youngman knock off. There would be minimum CGI. MTV editing would be strictly forbidden. Where would we go for this, you ask? I would get Nick Meyer to write this script and get someone with class and talent to direct this thing. Where do you find another Terence Young or Peter Hunt or John Glen?


That is how you do Bond 21 with some good references to Tracy.

[Q-Zar]

I'd like to have some kind of reference to Tracy. I know some people are bothered by Bond having been married, they think he should stay the eternal bachelor bastard.

But I think it adds another dimension to the character, so even if they don't concentrate the plot around it, a reference would be nice. Make the young fans discover there was Bond before there was Brosnan, and make 'em learn Bond can be more than a character from a comic.

[Xenobia]

I think there was supposed to be a reference to Tracy in DAD, when Graves would have "All the Time in the World" played at the party, just to take a dig at Bond, but they pulled that.

-- Xen

For real Xen?

That's very interesting, I've never heard that before!

As far as I know Qwerty, this was the plan going into the making of DAD, but they changed their mind.

Don't quote me on this, but I think there is a reference in the novelization to Bond hearing a song on the radio while driving through Cuba and it bothers him. It is supposed to be "All the Time in the World" but it is something else.

-- Xen