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[marktmurphy]

Bond rescues Koskov from a sniper in Bratislavia (where, incidentally, we learn that spies can say "No, steel tipped" without moving their lips and can say "BRING THE CHAIR" as if it's Shakespeare). Koskov has heard of Bond and thanks him by kissing him on the face. Bond mysteriously promises "Later, General".

Man kisses him. He says "Later". James Bond. Heterosexual male icon.

What aren't we seeing?

[Loomis]

Originally posted by marktmurphy

Bond rescues Koskov from a sniper in Bratislavia (where, incidentally, we learn that spies can say "No, steel tipped" without moving their lips and can say "BRING THE CHAIR" as if it's Shakespeare). Koskov has heard of Bond and thanks him by kissing him on the face. Bond mysteriously promises "Later, General".

Man kisses him. He says "Later". James Bond. Heterosexual male icon.

What aren't we seeing?  

Good Lord, you're right! He's gay! Open and shut case!

And he also shares a bedroom with Q in LICENCE TO KILL, let's not forget. Pam won't sleep with him - women's intuition is evidently telling her he's not a real man. Wonder what gadgets Q got out that night?

Et cetera et bloody cetera.

[ChandlerBing]

Nah, Dalton was a weenie, but he ain't gay.

[SnakeEyes]

I have to admit, that 'later general' thing always makes me cringe.
Obviously I don't think he's queer, but it's an 'odd' line anyway.
Still, an odd line in an otherwise pretty 'tight' script, not bad.

[Tarl_Cabot]

'Later General' = thank me later, buy me a pint, pat me on the back...etc. You people are disturbed!

[BONDFINESSE 007]

i'm with you tarl, thats how i see it to

[Tarl_Cabot]

We agree on something! Wow.

[marktmurphy]

Well, don't forget that only two films earlier "Later.." was a running gag Rog shared with the beautious girls....

I really am curious to see this 'later': perhaps Tim and Georgi have fridge sex like in 9 1/2 Weeks, only they feed each other pigs, borscht and cake.
Sexy.

[ChandlerBing]

Jesus Christ, I knew there was something about Dalton that didn't sit right with me about his playing James Bond! You guys are saying he was the first closet Bond...forget the Rupert Everett stuff you guys were bitching about a while back...my God, you guys have stumbled onto the biggest Bond news in years...and to think he was right under our noses!

{insert late note of sarcasm}

[Sensualist]

Originally posted by marktmurphy

What aren't we seeing?

First you make Pierce look like an ageing old homosexual in one your pieces of art. Now you're reading homosexual innuendo with respect to Timothy. Chee, looks like what we ARE seeing is a young fella having thoughts about swinging for the other team.

[Brix Bond]

"Chee, looks like what we ARE seeing is a young fella having thoughts about swinging for the other team."

To bad we already have enough bigoted [Tricks to put curse words in your posts will get you banned] on the straight one. Could use a couple of good sensible people to try and root out the stigma inherent in society.

[Tarl_Cabot]

According to Jaelle's posts, 'Bond #4' was very much the **** swinging hetero bachelor until about 50ish...then he married some 25 yr old Russian model...he dated Sophie Marceau,Ornella Mutti (hottest woman ever) and well,... I'm sure she'll respond soon enough and tear you a new one for dissing Tim. I can't wait! :eek:

[H.M.Servant]

well one thing I missed in the Dalton film were the girls
I mean where was the girl covered in gold paint
were was the girl emerging from the sea in a bikini

[Sensualist]

Originally posted by H.M.Servant
well one thing I missed in the Dalton film were the girls
I mean where was the girl covered in gold paint
were was the girl emerging from the sea in a bikini

Where were they?

They, officially, were trying not to contract a certain life-shortening sexually-transmitted disease. Unofficially, however, they were having ball (or two) back in Timothy's trailer or hotel room.

[H.M.Servant]

It's funny but seems Dalton's sexual escapades were more interesting than his alter ego's.

[Jaelle]

Originally posted by H.M.Servant
It's funny but seems Dalton's sexual escapades were more interesting than his alter ego's.

Uh...yeah, that's quite true. Timothy Dalton's love life was fodder for the tabs for many years. A lot of charities benefitted from his constant lawsuits against them (he gave them all the money he won from those lawsuits). Besides Ornella, Sophie, Barbara Broccoli, Penelope and Vanessa, there was also Marisa Berenson (with whom he had quite an intense relationship), Stephanie Powers, that famous British stripper whose name I forget at the moment (the big-busted one), Ursula Andress, Marie France-Pisier (gorgeous French actress, quite popular in Europe), a couple of the background Bond girls in TLD (they're seen around Whitaker's pool), Whoopi G. of course, Koo Stark (the pørn star who wanted to marry Prince Andrew), various models whose names escape me right now....plus there's always been rumours that he also bedded Vanessa's sister Lynn AND that Vanessa's daughter Joely was hopelessly in love with him for awhile... and this is all far too much information...!

And if you want the perspective of his fellow RADA graduate, John Rhys Davies, just read what he has to say in David Giammarco's recent Bond about what it was like to study at RADA while Tim was there and endure hordes of screaming girls waiting in line to watch Tim in his student productions. It's a very funny passage.

It's interesting to read Tim's views on women over the years...there's his famous quote in an Australian magazine where he calls women "stupid" -- he says something like "You get sexually attracted to them and then when you get to know them, all they're interested in is how they look." And then there's that other quote where he says "I think it's only natural that the man should be the boss in the relationship." *sigh* Tim was ever a bit of a chauvinist. He admitted to it a few times too in interviews later in his life, saying that the women in his life often had to fight with him to make him see their side of things. But then there's that sweet story from the famous interview in GQ magazine where the writer calls him a romantic, describing the time when Tim flew from London to Paris and back in the same day just so he could personally deliver a large bouquet of flowers to an actress he was interested in. Tim said "the lady was very impressed."

He's also said things like "it's hard for me to stay in relationships because as an actor you have to do love scenes with actresses and express your emotions, and sometimes it's hard to keep the line between fiction and real life separated." That explains why he so often got into romances with his leading ladies. But Tim will never marry. Even now, when he's settled down with the mother of his child, he still refuses to marry. As Tarl said, she's a beautiful Russian model and concert pianist half his age (she appears briefly in BEAUTICIAN & THE BEAST).

BTW, there were many rumours about Tim and Maryam while they were making TLD. Some local Austrian gossip columnists reported on them being seen in Vienna together. In the 80s, the ex-husband of one of the women in my Dalton/theater group worked for the caterer that served the TLD set in the Morrocan desert and he swore that he saw Tim and Maryam locked in a tight kiss when he accidentally opened the door to the wrong trailer. That's what he *said* anyway. I always noticed a little something between them in the promotional press appearances for TLD that I have on video (like when Tim openly caresses her bare back repeatedly at the TLD premiere). And I won't even start on what the local Mexican press waxed on about during the LTK shoot.

Anyway, for the record, I've always wished that Tim's Bond films had more sexy love scenes. I love the more restrained romance in TLD but I wish there'd been more heat in LTK. Ah well, I just have to rely on his other films and TV work for the cheesy stuff with Tim that I so enjoy watching.

As for "Later General"? Whatever. Ok, you guys found it all out. TLD is actually all about Bond searching for a Russian general who owes him some nookie.

While we're on the subject....I always thought BrozzieBond and Zukovsky had something going on. What else can explain Bond's petulant attitude toward him? It's like Bond's pissed off at him for deserting him or something....

[Loomis]

Jaelle, have you ever thought of writing a biography of Dalton? I reckon you could almost do it in your sleep. That's meant as a sincere compliment, BTW.

[Bondian]

I always took that comment as Bond means "thank me later" (but not another kiss) because he was in his superior's office and didn't want the embarrasment. Bond looked quite out-of-place from the kiss. Also the kiss was another ploy to get Bond's confidence.

This is a Bond film and nothing should be taken seriously or taken for 'red'. He's a fictional character and that's the problem with the modern day films there too true to life.

All the best,

Cheers,


Ian

[Tarl_Cabot]

Originally posted by Loomis
Jaelle, have you ever thought of writing a biography of Dalton? I reckon you could almost do it in your sleep. That's meant as a sincere compliment, BTW.

LOL I thought of that too. Jaelle, you are the world's leading authority and I think Tim would be extremely lucky to have you write his biography...

[Jaelle]

Originally posted by Tarl_Cabot
LOL I thought of that too. Jaelle, you are the world's leading authority and I think Tim would be extremely lucky to have you write his biography...

*giggle* You and Loomis make me laugh. Tim would KILL any idea of a biography of him. In fact, he's already done that at least TWICE. In the 80s there was an idea floating around about a biography for him and he squashed that idea in its infancy. A couple of years ago a Dutch journalist wanted to write a biography of him but again, Tim said "No!" quite firmly.

[Tarl_Cabot]

Any chance he'll do 'The Actor's studio' interview? He would make a great guest for Bond fans and serious actors. He's done everything...

[Jaelle]

Originally posted by Tarl_Cabot
Any chance he'll do 'The Actor's studio' interview? He would make a great guest for Bond fans and serious actors. He's done everything...

That's something that he might well be interested in but I don't think it will happen now. It could've happened when the show first started because they were focusing on working professional stage and character actors at first. But now that they're doing people like Mike Myers and Keanu Reeves, well, they may no longer be interested. Tim hasn't done enuf high profile work. But things may change, who knows, he may get some success late in his career like so many other actors have. But Tim himself would, I think, be intereted in doing the Actor's Studio interview, since he so admires the entire legacy of the American acting technique pioneered by the original Actor's Studio in the 50s.

[Triton]

Originally posted by Jaelle


That's something that he might well be interested in but I don't think it will happen now.  It could've happened when the show first started because they were focusing on working professional stage and character actors at first.  But now that they're doing people like Mike Myers and Keanu Reeves, well, they may no longer be interested.  Tim hasn't done enuf high profile work.  But things may change, who knows, he may get some success late in his career like so many other actors have.  But Tim himself would, I think, be intereted in doing the Actor's Studio interview, since he so admires the entire legacy of the American acting technique pioneered by the original Actor's Studio in the 50s.

I hope that Timothy Dalton would do an Inside the Actor's Studio discussion with James Lipton. James Lipton is unique among interviewers in that he is primarily interested in the craft of acting. It seems like biographers are more interested in Tim's personal life and relationships, subjects he seems to strongly feel are no one's business but his own. Perhaps James Lipton can persuade him to come on the program.

[Tarl_Cabot]

He had Pierce on (who was a great guest btw) so why Not Tim? Tim has had a great career...People don't attend the actor studio to be the next Ben affleck!

[Triton]

Originally posted by marktmurphy
Bond rescues Koskov from a sniper in Bratislavia (where, incidentally, we learn that spies can say "No, steel tipped" without moving their lips and can say "BRING THE CHAIR" as if it's Shakespeare). Koskov has heard of Bond and thanks him by kissing him on the face. Bond mysteriously promises "Later, General".

Man kisses him. He says "Later". James Bond. Heterosexual male icon.

What aren't we seeing?

Amazing how things change over the years! I distinctly remember that it was common to see senior members of the communist party kiss each other on the cheek in greeting in news footage from the Soviet Union. I remember seeing news footage of Secretary General Leonid Brezhnev, Yuri Andropov, Konstantin Chernenko, and later Mikhail Gorbachev greeting senior officials and foreign dignitaries with pecks on the cheek. I presumed that this was a traditional Russian greeting instead of shaking hands.

I never gave the masculinity or sexual orientation of General Georgi Koskov or James Bond a second's thought in the scenes in which Koskov embraces Bond and gives him a few pecks on the cheek.

I presume that because we hardly get any news or information from Russia or the Commonwealth of Independent States, this scene looks very peculiar to some who are too young to remember the cold war.

[marktmurphy]

Right, first things first: THE FIRST POST IN THIS THREAD WAS A JOKE. Obviously it seems I'll have to repeat that, so : IT WAS A JOKE. Tim's response to a man kissing him is quite amusing when taken out of context. That's how the joke works. Get it? It's amazing the depths of idiocy this place can sink to from time to time.
And Triton: your last comment is actually really patronising. Watch it. I know many peoples kiss each other (perhaps in less cosmopolitan countries you don't see that as often as here in London)- I'm not stupid. reading back my intial post I can't work out how I could have made it more obvious it was a joke, but there we go. Morons surround us.

However: Jaelle: your post was very interesting! Did Tim really have that many?! Fantastic! I love hearing about celebrity shags! Just yesterday I was hearing about Bowie and Tina Turner (and just what he's saying to her in that video).
Plus did anybody see that story on Popbitch in which a group of lads asked Connery who his best celeb shag was? He, of course, grimaced and strode out, only to return ten minutes later, march up to their table and declare: "Nineteen Shixty-Four. Petula Clark. Up the arshe." And then stride out again! Marvellous.

[Matt O'S oo4]

BTW, gents.

Bond had no intention of sleeping in the same room with Q.

It was what he was LEFT with.

And Jaelle, make it an unauthorized bio. Could be kickin'

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[Loomis]

Originally posted by Matt O'S. (oo4)

BTW, gents.

Bond had no intention of sleeping in the same room with Q.

It was what he was LEFT with.

Oh, I know. Only a little joke. I've never really thought there was anything sexual between Bond and Q in LTK.

Or in any of the other films, come to that.

The "unofficial" NEVER SAY NEVER AGAIN may be a different kettle of fish, though. Note how very pleased to see Bond Algy is. Instead of snapping at him ("Don't touch that! Oh, do grow up, 007!"), he's practically all over him: "Good to have you back, Mr Bond. Things have been awfully dull around here lately. I hope we're going to have some gratuitous sex and violence."

Crikey!

[Jaelle]

Originally posted by marktmurphy
Right, first things first: THE FIRST POST IN THIS THREAD WAS A JOKE. Obviously it seems I'll have to repeat that, so : IT WAS A JOKE. Tim's response to a man kissing him is quite amusing when taken out of context. That's how the joke works. Get it? It's amazing the depths of idiocy this place can sink to from time to time.  
And Triton: your last comment is actually really patronising. Watch it. I know many peoples kiss each other (perhaps in less cosmopolitan countries you don't see that as often as here in London)- I'm not stupid. reading back my intial post I can't work out how I could have made it more obvious it was a joke, but there we go. Morons surround us.

I knew your original post was a joke (as was mine about Brozzie and Zukovsky). My response to it was to the some of the other posters who *seemed* to take your post seriously. Tho maybe I misread them.

BTW, Triton, your comments on Russian men kissing each other is on-target. In an interview explaining his take on Koskov, Jeroen Krabbe described how he added these little touches to the characteter to make him more authentically Russian. It was *he* who added that bit about kissing Bond, it wasn't in the script. He felt that it was just a normal thing for Koskov to do. I love Krabbe's whole interpretation of Koskov, btw.

However: Jaelle: your post was very interesting! Did Tim really have that many?! Fantastic! I love hearing about celebrity shags! Just yesterday I was hearing about Bowie and Tina Turner (and just what he's saying to her in that video).
Plus did anybody see that story on Popbitch in which a group of lads asked Connery who his best celeb shag was? He, of course, grimaced and strode out, only to return ten minutes later, march up to their table and declare: "Nineteen Shixty-Four. Petula Clark. Up the arshe." And then stride out again! Marvellous. [/B]

That's a great story about Sean, mark! Love it! And yeah, Tim's love life has long been fodder for tab gossip. Lots of photos taken secretly in the UK and Europe, esp. One popular story had it that the former boyfriend of that famous British stripper threatened Tim's life out of jealousy (for awhile, Tim actually hired a bodyguard, something very unusual for him to do, as he *hates* that sort of thing). He hated the attention but occasionally he had fun with it. As when an Australian journalist asked if he ever planned on settling down and having a child. The journalist then described Tim as giving her a "mischievous grin" and saying "how do you know I don't have one already?"

[Tarl_Cabot]

A Joke? Ahhh...hehehe.... Sorry, we Daltonites are very serious naturally because our Bond was very serious and had no sense of humor.

Don't quit your day job!