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[bondpower]

There are rumors that Bond 20 is going to be Casino Royale. It's the only bond novel that wasn't made into a big screen movie and since it was the first "bond", bringing it to the big screen would be a good anniversary for the 20th bond movie. Anyways, do you think it's a possiblity and have you heard this? Casino Royale would make a great title for a bond movie and I also heard that the reason why W.Houston was being considered is because Casino Royale's bond girl was a singer. Anyways, can this rumor be true or was it denied before? and if it's the first time you hear this, do you think it's a good idea that bond 20 might be Casino Royale?

[Blue Eyes]

Jacques Nexus (13 Apr, 2001 07:55 a.m.):

It TLD had never happened I wouldn't have any problem with bringing SMERSH back into the picture. It just seems that doing it now would seem like EON have run out of ideas. It's too similair an idea. But the idea of seeing more 00's suits me fine. As long as we don't get rediculous and it turns out they're all 007 Clones or some bulls***!! But giving your left testical to see it? Well I guess if Hitler did what he did with only one of them, you can still feel like Bond with only one of them ;p

[R]

We have seen other 00 agents in the films. Their first appearance is in Thunderball, where there are nine. Throughout the Roger Moore era, there are several instances of another 00 agent being killed which sparks off an investigation. At the start of TLD the whole 00 section (which has now syncronised with the books at 3 members) is seen. And of course, the most famous 00 agent crops up in Goldeneye in the guise of Alec Trevelyan.

As for Casion Royale ever making it to the cinemas, it wouldn't surprise me if EON are saving the title to introduce the next Bond, whenever that may be.

[Jacques Nexus]

Blue Eyes (14 Apr, 2001 06:50 a.m.):

Jacques Nexus (13 Apr, 2001 07:55 a.m.):

It TLD had never happened I wouldn't have any problem with bringing SMERSH back into the picture. It just seems that doing it now would seem like EON have run out of ideas. It's too similair an idea. But the idea of seeing more 00's suits me fine. As long as we don't get rediculous and it turns out they're all 007 Clones or some bulls***!! But giving your left testical to see it? Well I guess if Hitler did what he did with only one of them, you can still feel like Bond with only one of them ;p

SMERSH was not an organisation in TLD; it was a ruse to manipulate 007 & MI6. If fans want SPECTRE to return, then SMERSH (sounds like a washing powder ?) to return in a different context could be a good compromise between our two views. Besides, 007 needs a continuing nemesis (like the good old days) to fight Brosnan's 007. The UNION is a great mob but the name is a bit bland for audiences (have you ever wondered that the words bond & union have a similar meaning ?).

Now, have EON run out of ideas ?. Well, the last 3 films (I like them, by the way) are based on the GOLDFINGER premise, ie, the innovative use of a nuclear weapon, in one form or another, by the villain to get rich or powerful. I love these type of capers !!.

On your last point. Who mentioned 007 clones. For 008, Jane Gamble, I would like to see Emma Thompson play her. Believe me under those clothes she's got a good bod. Now all this stuff should stir you up a bit.

P.S. About my bet with my testicles. In LTK Sanchez says to 007, "You have big cajones Mr Bond".

[Blue Eyes]

Jacques Nexus (21 Apr, 2001 09:35 a.m.):
Now, have EON run out of ideas ?. Well, the last 3 films (I like them, by the way) are based on the GOLDFINGER premise, ie, the innovative use of a nuclear weapon, in one form or another, by the villain to get rich or powerful. I love these type of capers !!.

I guess it's possible for them to have. But it seems a very sort of Purvis and Wade storyline. God I hope they don't do it for Bond 20 - I'll scream otherwise.

On your last point. Who mentioned 007 clones. For 008, Jane Gamble, I would like to see Emma Thompson play her. Believe me under those clothes she's got a good bod. Now all this stuff should stir you up a bit.

I'm not sure if we could see a female 008. I'm not being sexist or anything. But for one there's the fact that 008 has existed as long as Bond, that's back into the Goldfinger era. Now I doubt they had female 00's back then. Secondly, 008 doesn't actually exist. It's a great theory that I read ages ago as to why we never see him, I'll try and lay my hands on it.

[Jacques Nexus]

"R" (21 Apr, 2001 07:24 p.m.):
We have seen other 00 agents in the films. Their first appearance is in Thunderball, where there are nine. Throughout the Roger Moore era, there are several instances of another 00 agent being killed which sparks off an investigation. At the start of TLD the whole 00 section (which has now syncronised with the books at 3 members) is seen. And of course, the most famous 00 agent crops up in Goldeneye in the guise of Alec Trevelyan.

As for Casion Royale ever making it to the cinemas, it wouldn't surprise me if EON are saving the title to introduce the next Bond, whenever that may be.

What you said about CASINO ROYALE is very interesting and insightful.

About the Double-0's, there still hasn't been THE DEFINITIVE 007 film to showcase the Double-0 Section as an integral part of the story. EON probably won't do it because they like to maintain the mystique of the Double-0's.

[Blue Eyes]

Maybe we do have our movies mixed up. LALD was still good though. I'm reading FRWL at the moment. It's quite good. So far I've noticed they've changed SMERSH to SPECTRE.

I still wouldn't mind using CR but not using SMERSH. That would be far too much like TLD. If you remember we had Smiert Spinionam (sp??) which was a part of SMERSH. So it's basically the same idea recreated. This time, instead of by KGB it's done by ex-KGB. It's hardly much of a difference. No, something altogether would have to be done. Perhaps the use of John Gardner's "The Union". Their head hunch is French - so that would explain a connection to Le Chiffre

But still they could look at using the story and transposing it into something else.

[Tanner]

I know there has been a constant rumour during his tenure as 007 that Brosnan has wanted to re-film Casino Royale (along with all that bizarre talk about him "re-making" OHMSS). I recently read the novel and loved it, and, yes, I think it makes perfect sense for the official film series to cap-off filming Fleming's novels by finally tackling his first novel now that they own the rights.

But I have my doubts that they will. Why? Firstly, it's already been filmed, twice (that Barry Nelson TV version and that psychedellic David Niven "spoof" 60's extravaganza). Okay, so neither were produced by MGM and EON, but I have my doubts that they'd want to cover "old ground" when they have fresh storylines at their disposal.

Secondly, and most importantly, the central theme of the novel (as far as my dull mind recalls!) was the treachery of Vesper. Bond falls in love with this beautiful woman, contemplates marrying her, only to discover she is a double agent. Now, allthough not EXACTLY the same, doesn't this sound very similar to Bond and Elektra King??? I just don't buy the idea that MGM / EON would piggy back Casino Royale and TWINE when both films share such a similar central dynamic between Bond and Bond girl?

[B5Erik]

Like I said, make the villain part of SPECTRE. How long has it been since SPECTRE was in a Bond movie? 30 years? This would be the perfect vehicle for the return of SPECTRE. LeChiffre works for SPECTRE and Bond finds out that they're back in business and LeChiffre is responsible for getting addtional money for them to fully rebuild their organization.

Which ties into the original plot of the novel.

Add a new location or two and you've got a GREAT Bond film.

[mrmoon]

Would that not be a little similar to TLD use of Smiert Spionen. I know its not exactly the same but u know what I mean

[Jacques Nexus]

Blue Eyes (11 Apr, 2001 04:43 a.m.):

James Page (10 Apr, 2001 11:45 p.m.):

Well LALD was excellently scripted. I couldn't see Casino Royale being a problem to adapt because they'd just take the essence of the story and take something huge.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but SMERSH are the main villains in the novels aren't they. That would have to be changed of course, I wonder to whom? Perhaps yet another super villian who's just plain rich!!

What's this talk about LALD ?. You guys have your movies mixed up. LALD starred Roger Moore and was a waste of time. Maibaum scripted FRWL (one of my favourites)

About CR. I would love to see it. Why not use SMERSH ?. I can think of a scenario where ex-KGB guys revive SMERSH as a Russian Mafia organisation. The villain of CR, Le Chiffre, can work for them. Surely the tentacles of the Russian Mafia can reach inside France. Anyhow, I may use a revived SMERSH in a different context in a future Nexus Bond scenario.

I'll give you a preview: An old ex-assassin for SMERSH, Domingo Terramangas, is recruited by a shadowy Rogue Nation to head the operations section of it's intelligence service. He uses their money to revive SMERSH and recruits the world's best assassins to staff it. One of the guys recruited is a top French assassin named Jacques Nexus (a sauve former French Secret Service agent, named Jean-Marc Moreau, who knows 007 professionally and admires him so much he has copied his appearance and style and way of life and even his name !!!). Anyhow, the new SMERSH's first target is Britain's Double-0 Section. Each SMERSH assassin goes up against each Double-0 and 007's opponent is Nexus........

[Blue Eyes]

Jacques Nexus (22 Apr, 2001 12:51 p.m.):
About the Double-0's, there still hasn't been THE DEFINITIVE 007 film to showcase the Double-0 Section as an integral part of the story. EON probably won't do it because they like to maintain the mystique of the Double-0's.

I think there will come a time when we will see the Double-0's in full action. With Bond being about the only one who survies. I can't help thinking that one day we're going to see a catclysmic Bond movie where M either sends in all she's got or England get's wiped off the face off the earth. Of course Bond is the only one left standing, but he get's injured as well! A bullet somewhere not fatal

[B5Erik]

Just substitute SPECTRE for SMERSH and add a new location or two and you're good to go. A CLASSIC Bond film waiting to be made....

[Blue Eyes]

James Page (10 Apr, 2001 11:45 p.m.):

Well LALD was excellently scripted. I couldn't see Casino Royale being a problem to adapt because they'd just take the essence of the story and take something huge.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but SMERSH are the main villains in the novels aren't they. That would have to be changed of course, I wonder to whom? Perhaps yet another super villian who's just plain rich!!

[Blue Eyes]

BA (10 Apr, 2001 09:40 p.m.):
(Edited: This is bondpower posting from ba's computer....)

well i didn't see the movie or read the novel, but i've told that the movie calls for a female lead who can sing, and sings throughout the movie. can anyone confirm this?

Well Bondpower that hasn't come across my desk. That's not to say the news is false. But if that rumour has popped up somewhere I haven't seen it published nor have any of my sources mentioned it.

[Blue Eyes]

Tanner (23 Apr, 2001 03:53 p.m.):
But I have my doubts that they will. Why? Firstly, it's already been filmed, twice (that Barry Nelson TV version and that psychedellic David Niven "spoof" 60's extravaganza). Okay, so neither were produced by MGM and EON, but I have my doubts that they'd want to cover "old ground" when they have fresh storylines at their disposal.

Secondly, and most importantly, the central theme of the novel (as far as my dull mind recalls!) was the treachery of Vesper. Bond falls in love with this beautiful woman, contemplates marrying her, only to discover she is a double agent. Now, allthough not EXACTLY the same, doesn't this sound very similar to Bond and Elektra King??? I just don't buy the idea that MGM / EON would piggy back Casino Royale and TWINE when both films share such a similar central dynamic between Bond and Bond girl?

Both of those are interesting theories - especially about not wanting to cover old ground. Though like your second one says, a lot of ideas are reworked later. Plus how could we show Bond in love without going back to the OHMSS style? I don't think they could show that.

[James Page]

Casino Royale?

I remember a few things about the book... Bond has his nether-regions whacked by a carpet beater in a torture scene (which was substitued to his tonails being pulled out for the old TV Movie).

Could be an interesting film, but unfortunately the vast majority of the plot takes place in one location - not really what EON would want.

But look what Maibaum did with LALD, take the basics and rework it into a new screenplay. Could this be what they are planning to do?

[BA]

(Edited: This is bondpower posting from ba's computer....)

well i didn't see the movie or read the novel, but i've told that the movie calls for a female lead who can sing, and sings throughout the movie. can anyone confirm this?

[Blue Eyes]

B5Erik (12 Apr, 2001 05:19 p.m.):
Like I said, make the villain part of SPECTRE. How long has it been since SPECTRE was in a Bond movie? 30 years? This would be the perfect vehicle for the return of SPECTRE. LeChiffre works for SPECTRE and Bond finds out that they're back in business and LeChiffre is responsible for getting addtional money for them to fully rebuild their organization.

That might just work I like the way it keeps inline with the book. It might give the film a better feel and it would be a great idea seeing it's 40 years of Bond etc... because Casino Royale is is the first Bond!!

[Jacques Nexus]

[quote]Blue Eyes (11 Apr, 2001 11:58 p.m.):


I still wouldn't mind using CR but not using SMERSH. That would be far too much like TLD. If you remember we had Smiert Spinionam (sp??) which was a part of SMERSH. So it's basically the same idea recreated. This time, instead of by KGB it's done by ex-KGB. It's hardly much of a difference. No, something altogether would have to be done. Perhaps the use of John Gardner's "The Union". Their head hunch is French - so that would explain a connection to Le Chiffre.
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Yes, the Union involvement sounds good. The French connection you mentioned is interesting. However, you see SMERSH is the very old KGB's murder section (ie, "Death to Spies"), which actually existed during WW2, and is the antithesis to Britain's Double-0 Section (ie, "Licenced to Kill). In my Terramangas (sounds like Scaramanga ?) scenario it makes sense to revive SMERSH and have them take on MI6 as a prelude to the real caper. It would be an excellent opportunity to highlight and meet all the other Double-0's, with names such as: Mark Rampant, Diana Troy, Guy Force, Rick Jades, Jane Gamble, Paul Raven, Zula Xero (Afro-Brit), Jo Soon (Asian-Brit), Alex Chain, etc etc. To see these guys kicking in a 007 movie finale, in which some will die and some will survive with Bond...well...I would give my left testicle away to see it !!!. EON don't have the guts or vision to try a scenario like this.

[B5Erik]

I read the book about 10 years ago. I don't remember the girl being a singer.

It's a shame that they didn't make Casino Royale with Timothy Dalton. The novel is very tough and brutal - perfect for Dalton!

Pierce can handle it, though. Dalton just would have been perfect for that story.

[Blue Eyes]

bondpower (10 Apr, 2001 04:02 a.m.):
There are rumors that Bond 20 is going to be Casino Royale. It's the only bond novel that wasn't made into a big screen movie and since it was the first "bond", bringing it to the big screen would be a good anniversary for the 20th bond movie. Anyways, do you think it's a possiblity and have you heard this? Casino Royale would make a great title for a bond movie and I also heard that the reason why W.Houston was being considered is because Casino Royale's bond girl was a singer. Anyways, can this rumor be true or was it denied before? and if it's the first time you hear this, do you think it's a good idea that bond 20 might be Casino Royale?

Amazing theory - especially about Whitney Houston. That ties in well. Perhaps they are thinking of doing Casino Royale. They've now acquiried the rights and all. I've never read CR so I'm not 100% sure, but fascinating connection there!

[B5Erik]

I've been saying for over a year that the next Bond film should be Casino Royale. I doubt that it will happen though.

Bond 21? It DEFINITELY should be Casino Royale if they don't do it with Bond 20!