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[Bondian]

If Bond had of married Jinx in DAD would a spin-off feature been more appropriate?. Just a thought!.

[Righty007]

What? That makes no sense at all. James Bond would never marry an American NSA agent. Also, why does Jinx need to marry Bond to have her own spin-off?

[MrDraco]

You know actually that thought crossed my mind once about
Die Another Day.... but not the spin-off....but then again after 14 months in a jail cell, maybe bond would want to seatle down...Once strucky me how this was going to be known as the last 'Bond flim."
When i heard bond being captured in Korea...

[Qwerty]

Errrr, No. I just couldn't stand those two being married, and it would make no sense at all the 007 series.

[1q2w3e4r]

No... Bond should have left her in the ice palace.

[CommanderBond]

I think it be cool cuz they would have a mixed kid and then i could play james bond jr.!!


all joking aside i dont think they should get married for the fact that bond is still sensitive about tracy and all...

[Kristian]

I don't think anyone should get married at all, let alone Bond and Jinx.

They've both got the right idea -- don't get tied down. Have fun!!

[zencat]

What's "married?"

[Xenobia]

There was no textual basis for Bond to marry Jinx. It's true, he was fond of her (look at how he responds to her when he saves in the ice palace), but marriage...nah. There was no romantic development like there was in OHMSS.

The better starting point for the spin off is when Jinx leaves Bond and gets back to her own life.

-- Xenobia

[Blue Eyes]

I could never figure out why he was fond of her. Certainily she's his first shag in 14 months, but their relationship seems to jump from a to c with no middle ground.

[Joyce Carrington]

Originally posted by 1q2w3e4r
Bond should have left her in the ice palace.

That is actually what should have happened. Damn Purvis and Wade.

[Kingdom Come]

ONLY 1 WOMAN FOR JAMES - MONEYPENNY.

[Blofeld's Cat]

Originally posted by Blue Eyes
I could never figure out why he was fond of her. Certainily she's his first shag in 14 months, but their relationship seems to jump from a to c with no middle ground.

This pretty much describes the fast-tracked relationship between Bond and Electra too. Bond touching Electra's tears on the monitor seemed to soon for my liking.

[BONDFINESSE 007]

simply put.....hell no

[Xenobia]

Originally posted by Blofeld's Cat

This pretty much describes the fast-tracked relationship between Bond and Electra too. Bond touching Electra's tears on the monitor seemed to soon for my liking.

But you see, I thought that was pretty true to Fleming. Bond likes the bird with a broken wing, so to speak, and she certainly fit that bill.

Also, Bond strikes me as the type who would be moved by a woman's tears.

-- Xen

[Jim]

Originally posted by Xenobia


But you see, I thought that was pretty true to Fleming.  Bond likes the bird with a broken wing, so to speak, and she certainly fit that bill.

Also, Bond strikes me as the type who would be moved by a woman's tears.

-- Xen

Hmm... the bird (all puns intended) with a broken wing theory.

Fair point - could apply in the books; regrettably the film Bond manages to pull birds who appear to have few "broken wings", if any; what was Jinx's weakness? (Apart from getting captured every eleven minutes)

I can see what you're getting at though.

However (c'mon, you knew that was coming)

I always took the "broken wing" idea in the Bond books to be a rather dark manifestation of Bond's character.

If you consider the book Bond, when his looks are described, he's often described by other people and then he's described as good looking "in [a particular way]". In other words - not conventionally good looking (which arguably all the film Bonds have been). In effect, there's always some explanation of the book Bond's looks, as if it has to be explained to us why he should be considered good-looking.

Follow this through to the next stage.

A man who isn't conventionally good looking (and therefore - or perhaps I should say "concordantly" if I'm in Matrix Reloaded "Architect" mood - himself insecure) attracts and is attracted to women who have some "flaw"; the "broken wing" is always exposed to us. Now - is this pure benevolence on his part or is it pure manipulative ego - that he knows he can have these women and - because of their insecurity at their "defects" - they will be pathetically grateful for his attention?

What a charming man.

But that's the way I read it.

Just because he does heroic things, it doesn't automatically make him a heroic person. Ultimately, he's a bit of a ratbag. That's is the entertainment value in the Bond books; how one can root for a completely outrageous s-h-i-t, and how one does want him to succeed.

They've put it in the films now and again - MooreBond's seduction of Solitaire is a key example, exploiting her weakness to get what he wants - but more often than not he is superficially heroic. This is also true of DaltonBond; he's not Fleming's Bond - in his attitude to women he is far too gentlemanly. At times, Moore was the closest to the conception.

So if you're saying Bond is reacting to Elektra as a bird with a broken wing; remember Bond's instinct is a hunter-killer. That is his profession. That is the Fleming Bond. If he is really being Fleming Bond here, he is not being protective. He is being predatory. The bird may have the broken wing but to soothe his own ego, he is a fox, not another bird. Where TWINE goes wrong in the relationship between Elektra and Bond is it treats the nature of their relationship as a protective one. It denies James Bond his instinct and accordingly, it isn't about James Bond any more. It's just some action movie.

[Simon]

Originally posted by Jim

Where TWINE goes wrong in the relationship between Elektra and Bond is it treats the nature of their relationship as a protective one. It denies James Bond his instinct and accordingly, it isn't about James Bond any more.

Absolutely never saw it that way until now - really quite perceptive.

Agreed.

[Tarl_Cabot]

No. Jinx is a hoochie. James Bond can do better.Besides, why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free and in less than 3 minutes of first time conversation?

[Blofeld's Cat]

Hoochie?

[DLibrasnow]

Originally posted by Kristian
I don't think anyone should get married at all, let alone Bond and Jinx.  

Wow...<>
Err...

[DLibrasnow]

Originally posted by Xenobia

Also, Bond strikes me as the type who would be moved by a woman's tears.

-- Xen

Yeah Bond is a bit of a big baby and Nancy-boy in The World is not Enough! Thanks for that post Xen.

[Tarl_Cabot]

Yeah Bond is a bit of a big baby and Nancy-boy in The World Is Not Enough! Thanks for that post Xen."

He hurt his shoulder in the pretitle. Did he have a groin injury that I missed too?

[DLibrasnow]

Evidently!

[Jim]

...and whatever else I've said above, no; Bond should not "of" (?) married Jinx. It's just not

textual

[JackChase007]

I'm not a huge fan of Halle Berry (definately not as big of a fan of her as she herself is...), nor did I really think that Jinx was a stand-out Bond girl of any sort, but at the same time I didn't mind her as much.

That being said, I think one of the movie's most touching moments was after Bond saves her (again...) and she comes to and says, "What kept you?", or soemthing to that effect. With that one line, for some reason, I felt a lot of chemistry between the two and actually felt that there was something between them. But no, they should not have gotten married.

[Turn]

Not to be too harsh, but I wouldn't have minded if Bond had married Jinx -- if she would have suffered the same fate as Tracy in OHMSS.

That way we'd be sure EON would have their full energies focused on Bond 21 than being distracted by the Jinx spinoff next year.

[007luvchild2]

I don't think that would happen, besides if any girl that Bond should have married it should have been Kara Milovy or someone emotionally screwed up as Tracy with attractive qualities. I liked Jinx better than some of the Bond girls, but "Jinx Bond" doesn't have a nice ring to it.

[Derringer]

Absolutely not!!! It would be more stomach turning than J-Lo and AFLAC.

[Bondian]

It made me laugh ( in one of those awful time cuts ) when Bond revives Jinx and 'un freezes' her, she then brings up the contents of her throat then he proceeds to stick his tongue down it.

It's almost as stupid as Wai Ling when she's still underwater and has been there for about 5 minutes, all he can do is to stick his tongue down her throat.

I say that Bond's developed a 'throat' fetish.

"You'll never take me alive Mr Bond"!. No, but I'll stick my tongue down your throat.

Pierce probably wants to be the only Ian Phlegming Bond..........

[Xenobia]

Originally posted by Bondian
Pierce probably wants to be the only Ian Phlegming Bond..........

YEOW! That's bad. Funny....but bad.

-- Xenobia