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[Triton]

Wow, I didn't realize that Halle Berry's prior commitments would mean that filming could start no earlier than Fall 2004 on Jinx. I had always heard that she intended to do the film after Catwoman, which is currently in production. I originally thought that Jinx would start production in Winter 2004 for a Fall 2004 release.

I cannot see Eon doing a Jinx film and Bond XXI at the same time, although they would be in different stages of production. I cannot see Jinx being a summer 2005 release and then have Bond XXI as a Fall 2005 release. I think that it would be a logistical nightmare for Eon, unless the Broccoli's some how divided up producer duties, like Barbara producing Jinx and Michael producing Bond XXI or vice versa, and divided the production and crew families, like Peter Lamont designing one film and his brother designing the other.

[DLibrasnow]

Originally posted by Triton
Wow, I didn't realize that Halle Berry's prior commitments would mean that filming could start no earlier than Fall 2004 on Jinx. I had always heard that she intended to do the film after Catwoman, which is currently in production. I originally thought that Jinx would start production in Winter 2004 for a Fall 2004 release.

I cannot see Eon doing a Jinx film and Bond XXI at the same time, although they would be in different stages of production.  I cannot see Jinx being a summer 2005 release and then have Bond XXI as a Fall 2005 release. I think that it would be a logistical nightmare for Eon, unless the Broccoli's some how divided up producer duties, like Barbara producing Jinx and Michael producing Bond XXI or vice versa, and divided the production and crew families, like Peter Lamont designing one film and his brother designing the other.

It is not without precedent....look at "Chitty Chitty Bang Bang", "The Ipcress File", "Battle of Britain", "Call Me Bwana" and "Funeral in Berlin".

[Loomis]

Originally posted by DLibrasnow

I am not however sure that Halle Berry has entirely passed on Jinx though!  

I'm not 100% sure myself. Like I say, I'm (obviously) not an insider. I'm making an educated guess, but I reckon it's a pretty good one. And I think anyone looking forward to seeing Halle Berry do a Jinx spinoff film ought to prepare him(her)self for a disappointment. The indications are that the project is dead. I'd be pleased to be proved wrong, though, since - as I've stated previously - I'd be interested in seeing how a Jinx film turned out.

Originally posted by Triton

I don't think that Eon Productions has ever thrown away what they consider to be a good idea. I think that you can find numerous examples over the past forty years that if they cannot film an idea or a sequence in one film, it can turn up in a later film in the series. For example, remember that the helicopters with saw blades was originally intended for GoldenEye, at one time the script for Diamonds Are Forever had a supertanker that contained a high-powered laser, or Acrostar jets were originally going to be used in Moonraker.

Exactly, and that's why commissioning a JINX script from P&W won't have hurt Eon even if JINX doesn't end up being made (in the form originally intended, at least). When they hired P&W to do this screenplay, Wilson and Broccoli would have known that there was a good chance that negotiations with Berry would fall through, but they would also have known that the script wouldn't be wasted, that it would be a useful bit of material to have around for the future, either to be adapted into a Bond screenplay or used for another "female Double-O"-type project.

[DLibrasnow]

There was word in the early 1990s that a total of four Bond scripts had been commissioned - one by Mike France which inevitably became GoldenEye , but I've always wondered what became of the other three.

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Originally posted by Triton
I often wonder if the Mariah Carey theme song and cameo rumor applies to the Jinx film and not Bond XXI. It would seem reasonable that Eon would be approaching recording artists to see if they were interested in performing a theme song for the Jinx film.

Plus, what if the recce rumors of Bond XXI going to Berlin, Australia, and South Africa are really for the Jinx film? They would have had to perform location recces already if they intend to start in Fall 2004.

Eon Productons was completely truthful when they rejected the rumors because all the rumors regarded Bond XXI. They just never offered that they were location scouting for the Jinx film.

Then, perhaps, Clive Owen will be the next Jinx.

[killkenny kid]

Sorry Loomis, but if MGM/EON reads this forum, when they see how "obsess" some member are in regards to Ms. Berry. The film will be made.

[DLibrasnow]

We can live in hope kilkenny kid.

[Loomis]

Originally posted by killkenny kid

Sorry Loomis, but if MGM/EON  reads this forum, when they see how "obsess" some member are in regards to Ms. Berry. The film will be made.  

Well, I'm sorry to state the blindingly obvious, but MGM and Eon are in business to make money. They don't make films for "the fans", but for the general public, and JINX will go ahead only if The Powers That Be are convinced that mass audiences out there will flock to see it. There may be a few people on CBn "obsessed" with Berry and enthusiastic about a Jinx film, but they're a minority (Bond fans who post on the internet who are into Berry) of a minority (Bond fans who post on the internet) of a minority (Bond fans).

No amount of pro-Jinx posts on CBn or other such fansites will make a difference if Berry and/or the moneymen have decided not to go ahead with JINX. I mean, seriously, if MGM/Eon (and Ian Fleming Publications) cared about the wishes of "us fans", Purvis and Wade would be fired; Brosnan would get top directors for the Bond flicks; there would be a pledge to not use much CGI and to use much more location shooting; "Colonel Sun" and all the Gardner and Benson books would still be in print, etc. etc. And, of course, they'd also be giving us a new Bond film every two years!

Do MGM and Eon check out CBn and other Bond-related sites to look at what people are posting? You bet they do. But do they do it so that they can cater to our wishes? I very much doubt it. They do it to see if they're being dissed or if copyright is being infringed, to figure out how to make the Bond films more popular to general viewers, etc. MGM and Eon know that a site like this is an excellent focus group, but they also know that it represents the hardest of the hardcore fans, the very demographic that they don't have to worry about wooing. Whatever they foist on the marketplace, we're in. I'm sure they pay some attention to the views and desires of the "fan community", but, basically, we're not the people they're chasing. We're useful to them only insofar as we can help them tap into the moviegoing requirements of the non-Bond fan man on the street.

Still, as stated above, I'd be delighted to be proved wrong about the Jinx film.

[DLibrasnow]

Prepare to be delighted then Loomis because the word from MGM is that no casting decisions have been made on the Jinx movie....That means they would like to have Berry on board, but if not oh well - there are plenty of actresses out there looking for a strong, intelligent female action heroine part.

[Loomis]

Originally posted by DLibrasnow

the word from MGM is that no casting decisions have been made on the Jinx movie....That means they would like to have Berry on board, but if not oh well - there are plenty of actresses out there looking for a strong, intelligent female action heroine part.  

Sorry, Darren, but how does that add up to proof that JINX is going to be made? Or even to the probability that it's going ahead?

In a nutshell, then: MGM would like to cast someone in the Jinx role.

Great.

Is that all there is?

[DLibrasnow]

No casting decisions have been made and the script is being reworked....just telling you what I heard from MGM....

[Loomis]

Originally posted by DLibrasnow

No casting decisions have been made and the script is being reworked....just telling you what I heard from MGM....  

Oh, I'm sure the script is being reworked.

A change of name for the protagonist. A change of sex, too. I wonder who the Jinx character could be changed into? A certain fellow with the initials J.B., perhaps? And the new working title? Let's think: maybe something with the words "BOND" and "21" in it?

So, in JINX we have a film that:

- has no star signed;

- has no start date;

- has no release date;

- has never been officially announced in any shape or form whatsoever (in the sense of "We're definitely going ahead with this film, and we'll be making it as our next project").

What we do have is an enormous amount of "fanboy" wishful thinking and rumour-mongering.

[DLibrasnow]

I just know what MGM told me.....I think they still want to make the Jinx movie, it's just not a high priority at the studio right now!

[Loomis]

Originally posted by DLibrasnow

I think they still want to make the Jinx movie, it's just not a high priority at the studio right now!  

Effectively, then, the Jinx project is dead.

It may or may not be revived at some point in the future. We shall see.

But until we have an official announcement that JINX is being made (as opposed to being merely considered as a possibility), ideally with a release date and/or start date given.... well, we have nothing.

I don't understand MGM sometimes. It often seems that they're not really in the business of making movies. For many, many years now, Sly Stallone has been talking about the ROCKY VI script he's written, and about how badly he wants MGM to help him make it - and nothing ever happens. Having given them one of their biggest franchises in the past, they should be letting Sly take a gamble with ROCKY VI (how much would another ROCKY cost to make, anyway? Not all that much, I'll wager), and they should also be pressing ahead with JINX, IMO. But there we are.

[DLibrasnow]

Are you being serious Loomis??? Are you aware of how big a flop ROCKY V was??!!

[Genrewriter]

I always assumed that was common knowledge, Darren.

[DLibrasnow]

So did I....I have no problem with MGM refusing to finance another ROCKY movie.

[Loomis]

*Sigh*

Philistines.

[Tarl_Cabot]

I pray you are correct Loomis. Now can they please got off their @$$es and get B21 up sooner than november '05? I'll be 35.11 years old then ! :mad:

[Loomis]

Originally posted by Tarl_Cabot

I'll be 35.11 years old then ! :mad:  

I feel your pain, Tarl. I'll be 30-going-on-31 myself then (I was born in December 1974).

Why can't we stay in our 20s forever?

[Tarl_Cabot]

I feel your pain, Tarl. I'll be 30-going-on-31 myself then (I was born in December 1974).

Why can't we stay in our 20s forever?"

I don't mind early 30s at all but 35 is like the turning point...of course 30 seemed that way when I was 25...last summer I was 32 and in the best shape of my life; I had dropped 35 pounds and felt 27 again, had a six-pack going for the first time since Dalton was odering Martinis...It's all about how well you take care of yourself I guess... I don't miss being a 20 something so if I could be a vampire and pick an age to start immortality I'd go with 32.

Now if the pinche Bond producers had stayed on schedule I'd have seen B20 at 31 and B21 this year at 33, B22 at 35.11...I'm behind 2 films by 35! :mad:

[Tarl_Cabot]

I'm behind 2 films by 35!"

actually it's 4 films: 2 Daltons, 2 Brosnans

[Kristian]

There will be a Jinx film if:

GOTHIKA does well....

and CATWOMAN does well....

I hope there will be a Jinx film, and I hope it does great. I was so ticked about TOMB RAIDER 2 flopping, and it was better than the first one!

(two words. GERARD. BUTLER.)

We need more female action films. SUCCESSFUL female action films...

[Loomis]

Originally posted by Tarl_Cabot

I don't miss being a 20 something so if I could be a vampire and pick an age to start immortality I'd go with 32.

Interesting. I'd go with 23, myself.

[Loomis]

Originally posted by Kristian
There will be a Jinx film if:

GOTHIKA does well....

and CATWOMAN does well....

There will be a Jinx film if:

Hell freezes over....

HALLOWEEN 9 gets nominated for Best Picture....

Talisa Soto contacts me begging for a date....

Timothy Dalton gets asked back to play James Bond....

Pierce Brosnan gives a really good, solid performance as 007 in BOND 21....

Basically, it ain't gonna happen. Ever. Period.

[Tarl_Cabot]

"We need more female action films. SUCCESSFUL female action films..."

I was getting really sick of female (men with boobs) action films; Tombraider 1 was torture, despite Anjie's eye candy appeal.I passed on CA2, I don't watch Alias and I hated Jinx but 'Kill Bill' was awesome. I can't wait to see it again and Volume II. :cool:

[Tarl_Cabot]

Interesting. I'd go with 23, myself."

I like to be able to go to a fancy restaurant and not be asked where my parents are when the check arrives.I'd like to be youthful, energetic, strong, virile but adult looking,like a Lazenby/early Connery Bond! :cool:

[DLibrasnow]

Originally posted by Loomis


I feel your pain, Tarl. I'll be 30-going-on-31 myself then (I was born in December 1974).

Why can't we stay in our 20s forever?

Just turned 32 last Saturday! :eek:

[hartley_bond]

Originally posted by Blue Eyes


The only thing that would stop the Jinx film, IMO, is the success of Catwoman - another spin-off.

This has me in a huge moral dilemma. I absolutely hate what they did to Catwoman in the new 'Catwoman' movie, but I also hate the Jinx character. Hmmmmmmmm...... I'd rather have Jinx than SFC (stupid fake catwoman).

[Tarl_Cabot]

I'll buy the man Loomis a pint next time I go to the U.K.! :cool: