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Okay, here's an actor who'd be PERFECT as the villain in BOND 21


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#1 Loomis

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Posted 21 September 2003 - 03:44 PM

Takeshi Kitano ("Beat" Takeshi), the 57-year-old Japanese writer, actor, film director, comedian, critic and TV personality (he can apparently be found on up to eight different TV shows a week in Japan). For biographical information, go to: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001429/bio.

If they ever adapted Benson's "The Man With the Red Tattoo" (which is hugely unlikely, admittedly), Kitano would be a perfect choice to play Goro Yoshida. Otherwise, I still think he'd make a superb villain. I'm not sure how good his English is, but even if he can't speak a lick, I think it would be a nice idea to have a main villain totally incapable of speaking English (he and Bond would get up to the usual games of cat and mouse and confrontations, they just wouldn't be able to talk directly to each other - which might increase the tension, mystery and animosity). Anyway, Kitano's got charisma and menace in spades, and I think he'd be an absolutely terrific Bond bad guy (check out his filmography at http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001429/). What do you think?
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Posted 21 September 2003 - 05:54 PM

Sounds good, but after the last one, I doubt they'd go go for another villain from the Far East.

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Posted 21 September 2003 - 06:27 PM

Possibly, although they didn't avoid having Western villains three films in a row (GOLDENEYE, TOMORROW NEVER DIES and THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH). And Japan is obviously a radically different society to North Korea.

Maybe Kitano could play a subsidiary villain: a Japanese businessman/politician/Yakuza leader working with a Russian general/Latin American drug lord/English tycoon/corrupt Texan oil billionaire.... the possibilities are endless. Heck, bring back the Tiger Tanaka character and give him to Kitano, I don't care. See one of his films - I recommend HANABI (released in the US as FIREWORKS) - to understand why I think this guy rocks so hard that he'd be a dream choice for a Bond flick, ideally as a baddie.

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Posted 21 September 2003 - 06:34 PM

Maybe he can be an Osato-type villain.

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Posted 21 September 2003 - 06:40 PM

How about Rik Mayall?

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Posted 21 September 2003 - 06:42 PM

Where's his pants?

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Posted 21 September 2003 - 06:47 PM

He was in Johnny Mnemonic (1995), the William Gibson cyberpunk movie with Keanu Reeves. Takeshi Kitano played a yakuza crime boss who spoke entirely in Japanese named Takahashi. My understanding was that he appeared in the film because of his popularity in asia and because the movie received financing from Japan. His character was totally forgettable.

He also wrote, directed, and starred in Brother (2000). In this film he again played a yakuza crime boss who this time was exiled to Los Angeles and lived with his younger half-brother. The character he played was named Aniki Yamamoto or "Annie". Again Mr. Kitano spoke entirely in Japanese and the character was a little more memorable.

Oh, and he was also in 1983's Merry Christmas, Mr. Lawrence and played Sgt. Gengo Hara.

Hmmm... with these performances I am not convinced that he would be a good or menacing villain for James Bond. Perhaps I would have a different opinion of him if I had seen the movies he has done in Japan playing yakazu gangsters and crime bosses.

William Gibson was rather taken by him, he wrote an essay about him that appears on the TimeASIA web site:

Asian Heroes: The Baddest Dude on Earth

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Posted 21 September 2003 - 06:53 PM

Originally posted by Genesis
How about Rik Mayall?


Rik Mayall?! I have only seen Rik Mayall in comedic roles such as:

Dropdead Fred
Lord Flasheart in Black Adder II and Black Adder Goes Forth
Rick in The Young Ones

What sort of villainous character did you have in mind? A more comedic or mentally unbalanced villain?

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Posted 21 September 2003 - 06:57 PM

Originally posted by Triton

He was in Johnny Mnemonic (1995), the William Gibson cyberpunk movie with Keanu Reeves. Takeshi Kitano played a yakuza crime boss who spoke entirely in Japanese named Takahashi. My understanding was that he appeared in the film because of his popularity in asia and because the movie received financing from Japan. His character was totally forgettable.

He also wrote, directed, and starred in Brother (2000).  In this film he again played a yakuza crime boss who this time was exiled to Los Angeles and lived with his younger half-brother. The character he played was named Aniki Yamamoto or "Annie". Again Mr. Kitano spoke entirely in Japanese and the character was a little more memorable.

Oh, and he was also in 1983's Merry Christmas, Mr. Lawrence and played Sgt. Gengo Hara.

Hmmm... with these performances I am not convinced that he would be a good or menacing villain for James Bond. Perhaps I would have a different opinion of him if I had seen the movies he has done in Japan playing yakazu gangsters and crime bosses.


But he plays those thuggish types in all three films you mentioned. Still, he doesn't just play tough guys, and the tough guys he plays often have redeeming features. In HANA-BI, for instance, he plays a cop so brutal as to make Ray Liotta's character in NARC look like Forrest Gump - but the character also displays enormous love and tenderness towards his wife.

Would P&W/the Bond people be willing or able to give Kitano the sort of meaty, complex role he'd be interested in? (They wouldn't want a villain to totally steal the film, after all, and I guess their instinct would be to protect Brosnan, their star, at all costs.) If not, Kitano might still do Bond for the cash and the exposure.... but would the filmmakers be willing to stump up big bucks for him?

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Posted 21 September 2003 - 07:21 PM

Originally posted by Loomis


But he plays those thuggish types in all three films you mentioned. Still, he doesn't just play tough guys, and the tough guys he plays often have redeeming features. In HANA-BI, for instance, he plays a cop so brutal as to make Ray Liotta's character in NARC look like Forrest Gump - but the character also displays enormous love and tenderness towards his wife.  

Would P&W/the Bond people be willing or able to give Kitano the sort of meaty, complex role he'd be interested in? (They wouldn't want a villain to totally steal the film, after all, and I guess their instinct would be to protect Brosnan, their star, at all costs.) If not, Kitano might still do Bond for the cash and the exposure.... but would the filmmakers be willing to stump up big bucks for him?


Thanks for mentioning the titles Loomis. I will look for them the next time I am at a video rental shop.

A villain who is a brute and is also capable of love and tenderness? The Bond villains have always been so one dimensional. They always seem to be brutes and thugs with no redeeming qualities. They seem so incapable of love or tenderness. Almost like they spend their days killing their own henchman and then come home in the evening to beat their mistresses, wives, pets, and children.

I don't know. Would a villain capable of love and tenderness be too tragic a character when Bond finally kills him and he would get sympathy from the audience?

It would be nice to see more realistic and multi-dimensional villains in James Bond films, but I don't think that Purvis & Wade or Eon would ever write a multi-dimensional villain for a Bond film. They almost need to be totally bad in a comic book sense.

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Posted 21 September 2003 - 07:35 PM

Originally posted by Triton

A villain who is a brute and is also capable of love and tenderness? The Bond villains have always been so one dimensional. They always seem to be brutes and thugs with no redeeming qualities.  They seem so incapable of love or tenderness. Almost like they spend their days killing their own henchman and then come home in the evening to beat their mistresses, wives, pets, and children.


Exactly. It's all black and white in the Bond films: the baddies are all very, very bad (the main villains, anyway - some of the henchpeople are less than 100% evil, such as Jaws, May Day, Boris, Vlad....), and the goodies are all very, very good (look at DIE ANOTHER DAY: Bond, Jinx, M, Moneypenny and Robinson are a bunch of such nauseating goody-two-shoeses that you want to slap them). The same is true in the novels.

Off the top of my head, I can think of only one main villain who has good qualities: Sanchez, since he always keeps his word and rewards loyalty (maybe a case could also be made for Scaramanga, who, like Bond, is a professional who only kills professionals [although he kills Andrea]). Still, Sanchez is never remotely sympathetic.

But you're quite right, Triton: the Bond villains are always one-dimensional.

Originally posted by Triton

Would a villain capable of love and tenderness be too tragic a character when Bond finally kills him and he would get sympathy from the audience?


Probably. And I think that's why we never saw Bond's son turn up as a bad guy in THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH, as it was rumoured he did in early versions of the script. Would audiences have cheered 007 as he blew away his own flesh and blood, no matter what he'd done? Better to have a billionaire megalomaniac and a generic Eastern European terrorist than a coldblooded young assassin nursing a violent grudge against the secret agent father he never knew.

I think this is also why villains in Bond films are virtually never married or have loving relationships, or have children. Would we applaud Bond if we knew he was turning wives into widows and taking fathers away from children by killing the baddies? Better to give them trophy wives or girlfriends to whom they're abusive and who cannot wait to get free of them, and to make them childless.


Originally posted by Triton

It would be nice to see more realistic and multi-dimensional villains in James Bond films, but I don't think that Purvis & Wade or Eon would ever write a multi-dimensional villain for a Bond film. They almost need to be totally bad in a comic book sense.  


Agreed. And perhaps someone of Kitano's stature wouldn't wish to do a totally cardboard role.

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Posted 21 September 2003 - 08:14 PM

Anybody here watch Takeshi's Castle?
Now that is compulsory tv! If you have Sky Digital it's on Challenge Tv channel 121. It's voiced by Craig Charles and involves "happy-clappy-Jappy-chappys" doing challenges and generally getting hurt. It's so funny and if you haven't seen it yet then I suggest you check it out.

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Posted 21 September 2003 - 08:30 PM

I think my idea of Rik Mayall as a villian would be in line with his character "Alan B'Stard" from the New Statesman as a corrupt conservative politician who will do anything to be a success.

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Posted 21 September 2003 - 08:43 PM

Originally posted by Tanger

Anybody here watch Takeshi's Castle?
Now that is compulsory tv! If you have Sky Digital it's on Challenge Tv channel 121. It's voiced by Craig Charles and involves "happy-clappy-Jappy-chappys" doing challenges and generally getting hurt. It's so funny and if you haven't seen it yet then I suggest you check it out.


He also hosts a show in Japan (which has been condemned by foreigners as deeply racist) called Koko Ga Hen Dayo Nihonjin (Strange Japanese Habits) which features a panel of Japanese-speaking gaijin having, essentially, the mickey taken out of them by Japanese participants. As Japan Zone puts it (http://www.japan-zon...o_takeshi.shtml), "the show often highlights the huge gaps in attitudes, awareness and understanding between Japan and the rest of the world, even its closest neighbors."

It's really bizarre how Kitano (who must be one of the busiest people on earth; the guy could make millions writing books on how to multi-task, and for all I know he probably does do that) is one of the great auteur film directors, yet also fronts these cheesy game shows. A British analogy would be if Noel Edmonds and Peter Greenaway were the same person. Still, it makes sense in Japan, where they seem to like celebrities to be multi-talented (for instance, pop stars don't just release CDs - they also have their own cookery shows, chatshows and TV dramas).