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[Carver]

I know this post should'nt really be in this topic but i could'nt find anything more appropiate. Ok, whilst watching AVTAK the other day, I thought to myself, would Dalton have done this film better? He would have been the same age as the Bond girl, he could have done more stunts himself and he would have done 3 films instead of 2. This is probably a load of rubbish but what do you guys think?

[ThomasCrown76]

In answer to the question here...no.

[General Koskov]

For the sake of giving Dalton another film, I'd say he should have been in A View to a Kill. But as Jim pointed out, Roger Moore isn't bad.

[Jim]

Carver (27 Apr, 2002 08:57 p.m.):
He would have been the same age as the Bond girl, he could have done more stunts himself and he would have done 3 films instead of 2. This is probably a load of rubbish but what do you guys think?

He'd have looked ridiculous in that blonde wig and white dress, wouldn't he?

There are many things wrong with A View to a Kill, but Roger Moore isn't one of the worst. Recasting the main actor wouldn't have improved the script, the girl, the plot, the direction.

[mrWint]

"would Dalton have done this film better?"

Absolutely not!

[General Koskov]

Why does everyone get angry at the quiche? Didn't Bond describe how to make scrambled eggs (or an omlette) in 007 in New York?

And I believe he made some sort of eggs in The Living Daylights.
So I like the quiche scene. We say Bond getting scared by the bear-costume in On Her Majesty

[Victor Zokas]

If Dalton had done AVTAK, some of the jokes might have been toned down, so we might have lost the Gidea Park bit at the beginning. That'd have been for the better.

[mrWint]

"Is it that you don't like Dalton? Or is it that you don't like A View To A Kill? Just wondering, I'm not trying to start any fights!"

It's because I don't like Dalton.

AVTAK is an average Bondfilm. Not the best but far from the worst. The scenes in Paris and at the castle are brilliant and the final battle is breathtaking and John Barry music is awesome. But it could have been a lot better with improved writing. Roger Moore is great as Bond. Watch the scene where Bond meets Jenny Flex or his reaction to Aubergine's death or his "how about fishing?"-line to Zorin. Only Connery, Moore or Brosnan can deliver that kind of Bondian moments. Dalton would have ruined the film completely... in my opinion.

[General Koskov]

ThomasCrown76 (30 Apr, 2002 01:10 a.m.):
In answer to the question here...no.

mrWint: 'Would Dalton have done this film better?'

Absolutely not!

Is it that you don't like Dalton? Or is it that you don't like A View to a Kill? Just wondering, I'm not trying to start any fights!

[Turn]

I can't see Dalton baking a quiche (or however you spell it), hanging from a dangling firetruck ladder or using an American accent arriving at the mine.

He came in at the right time. And Moore was fine in this film. The rest was bad (except for maybe Walken and Patrick Bauchau or however his name is spelled).

[RossMan]

I always thought that td1 should have started out in A View to a Kill. (and that he should still be the current Bond now instead of Pierce....)

[4 Ur Eyez Only]

well.. I think they wrote this one kinda being open to who might play bond..

the begining clearly has roger's best movies in there.. but the end in the mine shaft was more of a dalton feel.. Even the pacing was more of a TLDL kinda feel.

could Timothy have done better.. No I don't think so.. Roger was fine..he was perfect! He always hits his mark & does the best job.. PLUS having Tanya Roberts a unseasoned actor there.. she even said Roger helped her soooo much.. he didn't mind her messing up and he helped her whenever she need help!!

Timothy would have been new.. and plus I heard in interviews he was a little bossy with some of the Bond Girls in his first movie..

IF that happened with Tanya..she might have cried.. or quit!

Roger was perfect for AVTAK.. on screen & off!:cool:

[DLibrasnow]

I don't think Timothy Dalton should have done any Bond movies. He was boring and his movies lacked the "fun" element.

Roger was perfect for AVTAK and I love that movie.

[ChandlerBing]

Amen to that. Can you say miscasting? Oh, well, I am sure, speaking of miscasting, that Ben Affleck has his fans of him as Jack Ryan, another idiotic case of miscasting in the espionage movie genre.

[DLibrasnow]

I was amazed that Tom Clancy actually approved of Affleck in the role...
Here's hoping Matthew McConaughey can pull off Dirk Pitt in the movie adaptation of Clive Cusslers "Sahara".

[BONDFINESSE 007]

dalton in avtak? perrish the thought, the ones he was in were to much...no he would have been all wrong for avtak, roger was far better

[JimmyBond]

The question is a bit void, since if Dalton (or Brosnan for that matter) were in the role the film would be totally different. I'm not just talking about because of the actor, but the script would have been altered to suit the new Bond's needs.

[DLibrasnow]

Originally posted by BONDFINESSE 007
dalton in avtak? perrish the thought, the ones he was in were to much...no he would have been all wrong for avtak, roger was far better

Yeah Dalton did a lot of damage to the franchise as a whole. I wish they had skipped him and gome from Moore to Brosnan, then we wouldn't have been subjected to such mindless drivel as LTK.

[JimmyBond]

Originally posted by DLibrasnow


Yeah Dalton did a lot of damage to the franchise as a whole. I wish they had skipped him and gome from Moore to Brosnan, then we wouldn't have been subjected to such mindless drivel as LTK.

I guess I'm supposed to defend LTK or something, at least thats what it says in my signature line, ah hell, it's your opinion.

[Loomis]

Given that Moore had a picture by picture contract at that point, I wonder whether there was ever any doubt that he would do A VIEW TO A KILL.

Anyone know whether Dalton or anyone else was considered for AVTAK (in the same way as James Brolin was looked at for OCTOPUSSY)?

[Kristian]

Hmmmm..... Maybe. But there were more things that were wrong with AVTAK than Moore (who, really, was okay). Timmy might have lent the film some gravity. But they really needed to strengthen Stacey Sutton's role, and hire someone who doesn't sound like she's been sucking helium from balloons all day. Yes, Tanya, I'm talking about you. Stop looking so shocked. Go back to sucking helium.

Really, they just needed to fix the Bond Girl role. A lot of people hate TWINE or have a very negative memory of it (yours truly included) because of Denise Richards*. I think that is the case with AVTAK, as well.

* Sorry, Bondfinesse 007 and all you other Denise Richards slaves. Really, I am. I just, well, ... hate her in that movie.

[4 Ur Eyez Only]

I think if Roger left after Octopussy.. that would have been a perfect 007 career! To go out on the best 007 film.. thats the way to go out!!

floating away under the sunset

all time high baby!!!:cool:

[DLibrasnow]

Whatever....Timothy Dalton got two movies too many as 007...

[Tarl_Cabot]

"Timothy Dalton got two movies too many as 007..."

I like those 2 films more than at least 10 others I can think of...

[DLibrasnow]

TLD was okay,.....but it would have been better without Dalton in the lead role.

[Tarl_Cabot]

I like Roger too but he was really up there in age...Dalton was a breath of fresh air. Brosnan looked like a model in '86-not a secret agent.

[BONDFINESSE 007]

Originally posted by DLibrasnow
Whatever....Timothy Dalton got two movies too many as 007...

well said snowie, and snowie speaks the truth:cool:

[4 Ur Eyez Only]

Originally posted by DLibrasnow
Whatever....Timothy Dalton got two movies too many as 007...

I feel the same exact way you do with Timothy.. with that hack Pierce !! He is a complete train wreck! He has brought nothing to 007 .

I would love to hear what a fan thinks he is bringing to the role?

Atleast with Timothy he was bring something different from sean/roger..

The 007 Crew fired him for a guy that brings nothing at all..He has no presents as a lead actor! mostly as 007.. because he thinks "what would sean do":rolleyes: BUT if u watch some of his other movies he seems more relaxed.

timothy was a great 007 The whole series now is just fake action/spy movies with Pierce?

True Lies is the last good spy film!.. and thats sad it isn't a 007:mad:

[Kingdom Come]

Dalton would have added little. The film failed because of a very poor screenplay and poor direction. The film needed a good script editor as it is without doubt the most protracted of the series. Even more so than OHMSS.

[ChandlerBing]

Wow, all that Dalton-bashing and here I was...on the sidelines. Well, now for something unexpected.

Saws AVTAK again fairly recently with the John Glen commentary track. It wasn't bad. Moved fairly fast. Would Dalton have been good in it? Well, who knows? Dalton up against Chris Walken, well a couple of good actors sparring off, so you never know. Now if they had gotten David Bowie, it might not be the same. Rutger Hauer would have been good.
For the record, Dalton is a fine actor, but I believe he was just the wrong kind of actor for Bond. It depends on how you perceive Bond. For people who think Bond is a human being, every day kind of guy, many of them think Dalton is the best guy at making him human, like the rest of us. I like to think of the kind of Bond where he is the ultimate male, and I go for Brosnan, Connery, Lazenby, and Moore to some extent. Men come out of the Bonds walking tall and women come away from them wanting to run off with Bond. Dalton just seemed like someone who was as much fun to be around as watching a patient laying on a sofa in a shrink's office whining about his problems.