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[TonicBH]

We could tell by AVTAK that Moore was kinda out-of-it but did his best overall.

It comes to this question: Could someone else (like Dalton or otherwise) have done AVTAK instead of Moore?

[Tanger]

I think Moore should have retired long before he did. FYEO should have been his last and then they should have brought Dalton in which would give him a possible total of 5 films rather than 2.

One of AVTAKs major hinderances is the age of Moore and whilst it was always apparant in the few films leading up to AVTAK, here it is beyond limits. It makes Bond look like a doddering old grandad and as such makes the action scenes of the film a little disbelievable. I reckon that if Dalton was on board at this point, they could have written the script to his strengths, added more action and overall we would have a better film. Don't get me wrong, I still love AVTAK (in my Top Ten) but it's just lacking in so many areas and the physicallity of Moore is one of them. Also the less said about is face-lift the better.

[BONDFINESSE 007]

no, no one could have done avtak but moore, he was perfect for that film

[Dr.Carl Mortner]

AVTAK was a Moore Bond film if there ever was one. Although I would have rather had OP as Moore's swan song, I've grown to appreciate AVTAK for its innocent, simpler-world-of-1985 charms. And no, I can't picture Timothy Dalton or even Pierce Brosnan in the movie - at least, not without some tailoring towards their styles.

[The Dove]

I think that if Timothy Dalton came on board as Bond during A View to a Kill, that film would have been 10 times better.

[Genrewriter]

I'm npt sure about that, Dalton always seemed to be more at home with a darker sense of humor, as in LTK. I think the light tone of AVTAK would have worked against his strengths and made for an awkward film. Moore was perfect for this particular film, although I would have liked to have seen OP be his last one as well.

[Doubleshot]

Nothing could have saved A View to a Kill.

[Simon]

Didn't they do it with Connery back in '64?

Worked then.

[Blue Eyes]

Well with a different actor it would have been a totally different film, written differently, with different action suited for a younger actor. They style of Bond would have been different as well. So who's to say.

[DLibrasnow]

Dalton would have destroyed AVTAK. I love AVTAK as it is right now and am glad that Roger gave us such an enjoyable movie as his swan song.

The Bond series began its steady slide when that Welshman Dalton came on board and (with the glimmer of hope that was GE proving the exception) continued that slide with the PB series.

[BONDFINESSE 007]

dalton in avtak? oh god lets not even think about that, thats a very bad thought indeed, it makes me sick to think about how he would have killed such a great movie with his boring take on bond

[4 Ur Eyez Only]

actually I get the feeling.. that some of the writing was open for "another actor" to play bond.. just in case factor we are talking about.. but then when Roger set aboard.. they added a few more "roger type scenes"

The end is clearly more dalton-ish..

BUT I think this movie could have been Pierce's first.. I can see that.

** I personally would have loved to see Roger go out with Octopussy!! IF he did he would have had NO bad movies.. AVTAK has grown on me. but all the others are 3 1/2 or 4 star movies!

I kinda slightly.. very slightly have the feeling with Roger in avtak .. that it was like a Boxer who stayed around for one to many fights.. he should have retired on top and have a perfect career..

very slight.

[Dr.Carl Mortner]

"I kinda slightly.. very slightly have the feeling with Roger in avtak .. that it was like a Boxer who stayed around for one to many fights.. he should have retired on top and have a perfect career.."

I always thought of AVTAK in these terms: imagine holding a going-away party for the most popular guy in the office. Presents are given, fond farewells are made and a good time is had all around.

The next day, the guy walks into the office like nothing happened, acting like he's there for business as usual. Everyone feels a little awkward. Octopussy was the party - AVTAK was that awkward day after.

[goldengun]

Originally posted by Dr.Carl Mortner
"I kinda slightly.. very slightly have the feeling with Roger in avtak .. that it was like a Boxer who stayed around for one to many fights.. he should have retired on top and have a perfect career.."

I always thought of AVTAK in these terms: imagine holding a going-away party for the most popular guy in the office. Presents are given, fond farewells are made and a good time is had all around.

The next day, the guy walks into the office like nothing happened, acting like he's there for business as usual. Everyone feels a little awkward. Octopussy was the party - AVTAK was that awkward day after.

Wonderful observation. OP was a great movie, and Roger could have ended it. BUt Cubby didn't want to let him go, and I think that because NSNA came out in 1983, Roger would want to make another Bond film, just to show Connery right?

I am glad he did it, the way he moves around during the party at Zorin's monster home is memorable. ANd ROger deserves to star in the Bond film which features the best song title ever.

No, I can't think of another person starring in AVTAK, I like the story, and it is still relevant today.

IMagine if they had Sean Connery in AVTAK?

[DLibrasnow]

Originally posted by goldengun



No, I can't think of another person starring in AVTAK, I like the story, and it is still relevant today.

IMagine if they had Sean Connery in AVTAK?

I'd prefer not to, thank you goldengun....I think AVTAK is Moore's second best James Bond movie (after TSWLM)...

[4 Ur Eyez Only]

Did the 007 Announce that this was Roger's last one before it came out???

I wonder if I knew that I would be sad.. while I was just watching it

[BONDFINESSE 007]

i think it was after... i think

[BONDFINESSE 007]

for some reason i believe word was let out after avtak came out, towards preparation for the new movie tld

[4 Ur Eyez Only]

wow that sucks !! I think allot more people would have went and saw it.. to give love to Roger's Last 007 Experience :cool:

[BONDFINESSE 007]

cause i remember thinking as i was leaving from seeing avtak, i cant wait to see roger in the next one and then i found out dalton was in and my heart sank and i boycotted TLD AND LTK when they were released, and and only saw them on video.

but i sure did stay away and did not go see dalton, i stuck to my guns and said i will not go see this, and when brosnan came in i went to go see his, cause i really like him

[4 Ur Eyez Only]

Originally posted by BONDFINESSE 007
cause i remember thinking as i was leaving from seeing avtak, i cant wait to see roger in the next one and then i found out dalton was in and my heart sank and i boycotted TLD AND LTK when they were released, and and only saw them on video.  

but i sure did stay away and did not go see dalton, i stuck to my guns and said i will not go see this, and when brosnan came in i went to go see his, cause i really like him

so.. the last thing Rogr did was the 25 Years on 007 special on basic TV in 1986-ish?? wow.. maybe he told them there??

hmmmm.. kinda sad that was roger's last thing he did (next to be so cool to do the dvd's )

[DLibrasnow]

Originally posted by 4 Ur Eyez Only


so.. the last thing Rogr did was the 25 Years on 007 special on basic TV in 1986-ish?? wow.. maybe he told them there??

hmmmm.. kinda sad that was roger's last thing he did (next to be so cool to do the dvd's )

That special you are referring to was shown in 1987, timed to appear with the release of "The Living Daylights"....I also seem to remember that Roger had already announced his retirement from the role before AVTAK came out.

But on the subject of that TV special on 25 Years of 007, I taped that back in Scotland and was really cool to see Roger Moore play the suave James Bond one more time...