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[BONDFINESSE 007]

yes please boil them down and lets try and figure this out mr blox, cause i cant see where rogers portrayal is lacking whatsoever

[Turn]

Sean Connery is different from Roger Moore, just as Peking Duck is different from Russian Caviar, but I love them both.

[Blox]

Morty: Where are the much-ballyhooed Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Roger Moore when I need them? I may be the organization's blunt instrument, but I'm calling in some back-up...

...Looks like the blunt instrument needs to be honed...(<;

[DLibrasnow]

Originally posted by Blox


Where has Moore ever said that he never read Fleming's books?  

Moore DID read the Fleming books....Check the documentary "Inside Live and Let Die" on the DVD in which Moore mentions (in an on camera interview) that he based his interpretation of Bond on a description Fleming gave in one of the Bond books....

Something along of the lines of "He had killed once, but had not liked it."

[Turn]

He read Goldfinger and was talking about the opening chapter "Reflections in a double bourbon" about his experience of killing the Mexican. Moore used to quip that he found out his character dislikes killing but is pleased he does it well.

Actually, I think that sums up the way he played the character pretty well, as opposed to Connery's character, who seemed to almost enjoy eliminating some opponents.

[DLibrasnow]

Originally posted by Turn
He read Goldfinger and was talking about the opening chapter "Reflections in a double bourbon" about his experience of killing the Mexican. Moore used to quip that he found out his character dislikes killing but is pleased he does it well.  

Actually, I think that sums up the way he played the character pretty well, as opposed to Connery's character, who seemed to almost enjoy eliminating some opponents.

Probably, but the point is that he did read Fleming...

[Blox]

DLib -- Probably, but the point is that he did read Fleming...

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If you dig up Schenkman's interview in BondAge from 1980, you will find that bit about killing (Moore's stock answer) was all Moore was familiar with. Schenkman (who had founded the James Bond Fan Club and published BondAge magazine,) asked Moore at a FEYO Press Junket in NY whether he had read the novels. Moore mentioned the one bit about killing, but told Schenkman he hadn't read Fleming. When Schenkman pressed Moore about that, Moore told Schenkman he was reading other things -- "Noble House" as I recall....

[DLibrasnow]

Originally posted by Blox
DLib -- Probably, but the point is that he did read Fleming...  

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If you dig up Schenkman's interview in BondAge from 1980, you will find  that bit about killing (Moore's stock answer) was all Moore was familiar with.  Schenkman (who had founded the James Bond Fan Club and published BondAge magazine,) asked Moore at a FEYO Press Junket in NY whether he had read the novels.  Moore mentioned the one bit about killing, but told Schenkman he hadn't read Fleming.  When Schenkman pressed Moore about that, Moore told Schenkman he was reading other things -- "Noble House" as I recall....

I am familiar with Schenkman and the "Bondage" magazine and as such know that he is very pro-Connery so I always read what appeared in that magazine with a pinch of salt...That being said I thought "Bondage" was a great magazine that was both informative and well put together.
That being said I think that Graham Rye and the British Fan Club has caught up by the end of the 1980s by producing a very slick and stylish "007 Magazine"...I read both religiously since the early 1980s when there was (of course) no internet to feed my craving for 007 related gossip.

[Blox]

Turn: Actually, I think that sums up the way he played the character pretty well, as opposed to Connery's character, who seemed to almost enjoy eliminating some opponents.

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That may well be. Connery has a real distaste for injustice and crime. I asked him in 87 about famous gangsters during an Untouchables interview, and he shot back -- "I think the most impressive thing I've seen is the Statue of Liberty." And he was quite serious. He grew up in poverty, and has this injustice thing -- and I think it comes through when he's kicking the beejeezus out of Red Grant, etc.

That said, other actors have had their relish while delivering the coup de grace: Moore, while shooting Stromberg in the groin (Now, its my turn...), and kicking Locke's car off the cliff (You left this with Ferrara I believe). Brosnan -- ("I never miss).

[Blox]

D Librasnow: I am familiar with Schenkman and the "Bondage" magazine and as such know that he is very pro-Connery so I always read what appeared in that magazine with a pinch of salt...


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...It is more accurate to say that Shenkman was pro-Fleming's Bond. This was a time when the Moore Bonds had devolved into episodes of juvenile comedic slapstick. His sentiments had less to due with being "pro-Connery" and more with a desire for the filmmakers to recover the tenor of the novels and the earlier films produced under Fleming's eye. That said, as disappointing as it may be to hear, stock answer about "killing" aside, Moore did tell Schenkman that he hadn't read any of the books.

[zencat]

Originally posted by Turn
Sean Connery is different from Roger Moore, just as Peking Duck is different from Russian Caviar, but I love them both.

Ah, perfectly put, Turn.

"I give you best duck."

(Hey, I think I just got that joke.)

[DLibrasnow]

Originally posted by zencat

Ah, perfectly put, Turn.

"I give you best duck."

(Hey, I think I just got that joke.)

Yes, I like both the Connery and Moore movies both....It's just if I had to choose I would pick the Moore films.

[Jazzy Bond]

Okay, getting back on track of the topic! i have DAF as number 20 on my list of Bond movies! Dead last and there to stay! Why? Lack of location, I mean for you guys in England Vegas maybe a wonderful location for a Bond movie but in the states it's just your run of the mill pick, no exotic feel "dirty" like one post said earlier. I love American girls, hell, I'm married to one, but 2 in one Bond movie? Again, no killer accents when they say Mister BAAAHHHNNDD like in european based locales. Also the hideous moon buggy chase, slow and stupid!! Blofeld in drag, what the ......? Two American henchmen in Kidd and Wint, no accents again, to come across sinister. Terrible finale, worst of the whole series, does Blofeld die or what??? Connery looking like my grandfather at, what was he, 41 only? BTW that's younger than Brosnan was for GE!! Terrible special effects with the laser (especially the chinese guy running around on fire with his eyes rolled back in his head)! Charles Gray sucked!! I mean i can go on and on here! I mean it has it's strong points but overall WEAK! What i find so strange getting off the point for sec. is how many people posting to this topic say they like DAF and they are some of the same people who nit pick every detail of the Brosnan Bond movies especially DAD whe there are train sized holes in DAF that they overlook because it was their first movie they saw or it reminds them of another time or whatever! The fact is call a spade a spade! If DAF had weaknesses nit pick them! Why save your nit picking for the modern day Bonds??? Or, do what I do and enjoy them all for what they are! Even though as mentioned I have trouble with DAF! But it does have, along with OHMSS the best soundtrack of them all!

[DLibrasnow]

DAF is my least favorite Connery 007 movie....My favorite Connery picture actually is a toss-up between NSNA or FRWL.

[zencat]

I have a real thing for DAF. Maybe it's because it was the first Bond I ever saw, or maybe it's because I sort of like the '70s twinkle in the eye Bonds. I don't know...for whatever reasons I really love DAF, warts and all.

And I think Connery gives a better performance in DAF than he does in YOLT or NSNA (although he

[Loomis]

Okay, here's my two cents: I think DAF is quite possibly the most inane and boring film of the whole bunch. Campy and tacky (and actually rather nasty) without being entertaining, it's just horribly smug and thumpingly dull. Very little energy to the proceedings. And Connery looks absolutely revolting.

I like the pre-credits sequence, though - some nice ideas; and the score is great, but DAF is nonetheless the Bond film I return to least. A real snooze.

Funnily enough, I don't much care for the novel, either, even though it bears little relation to the film.

[Jaelle]

Originally posted by Turn
I love DAF because it was the first Bond film I saw when it was new in the theater. Yeah, it has its problems.  
But I can look past a lot of them because it has a lot of things I like in it and am willing to wear the rose-colored glasses to appreciate them. Like holding on to something old you've had for years and everybody else thinks you're nuts for sticking with it but you love it anyway. It's kind of like that.

Stick to your guns, Turn! I like it when someone *else* still loves a film with so many warts. Makes me feel that I'm not alone in this stubborness.

But as to DAF, oh dear...

I have to agree with JazzyBond (love that name!). I sincerely don't want to insult any residents of Vegas here (tho I'm sure I will, unintentionally) but I CAN'T STAND IT AS A LOCATION FOR ANY FILM! I just find it so criminally *boring.* (Well, Martin Scorcese's Casino might be an exception).

And the sudden turnaround of the Tiffany Case character is REALLY grating. At first she seems pretty cool and tough and then she just becomes this nothing wet noodle. The film is one long weird aimless incredibly boring trip. I just recently saw it again and I was surprised to realize that I actually preferred DAD to it! (That's saying a lot, folks). Blofeld does have some pretty good lines but he has little overall impact. And I find Sean just unwatchable in it.

The one thing I'll say that I really love about it is the title song and the score, especially the title song. I play that quite often and always find myself unconsciously singing to it. But that's pretty much it.

Yes, it does start out fairly interesting, and I do find myself intrigued by what sort of mystery Bond has become involved in. But then it all just falls apart, and rather quickly.

[Blox]

D Librasnow: I am familiar with Schenkman and the "Bondage" magazine and as such know that he is very pro-Connery so I always read what appeared in that magazine with a pinch of salt...

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D Lib,

Just to follow with an excerpt from Robert Cotton's excellent site:
http://www.hmss.com/interview/

"The first James Bond 007 Fan Club had its genesis in the summer of 1974, when Richard Schenkman and Bob Forlini, two students at Roosevelt High School in Yonkers, NY, put together a fan club and published a mimeographed, stapled-together fanzine called BONDAGE.
From these humble origins, the club grew to a worldwide membership of over 2800, and even received coverage in Playboy magazine. BONDAGE itself enjoyed a circulation of nearly 5,000 at its zenith. Forlini eventually left; and, as president, Schenkman over a seventeen-year period produced a magazine that pleased many an aficionado.

While completing his education and embarking on a career of his own in the entertainment industry, he nonetheless somehow managed to compile long-lost London Times articles written by Ian Fleming and fascinating collections of photos and newsbits. He compiled and published a trade paperback-The Illustrated James Bond, 007-which was a collection of newspaper strip cartoon adaptations of Fleming's novels that had run in the London Daily Express in the Fifties.

The magazine also often featured artwork by club members, and very insightful articles, written by Richard and other members, on all aspects of Bondiana-including some by Zero Minus Ten author Raymond Benson, who served as vice-president for a time. He was even able to score remarkable interviews with such diverse Bondian personalities as Timothy Dalton, John Glen, Terence Young, Bob Simmons, Kevin McClory, and Cubby Broccoli himself. "

FYI,

B l o x

[Dr.Carl Mortner]

Bondage was a fantastic magazine. I joined the American James Bond fan club in the dark days of the late-'80s, when Bond fandom was at an all-time low and other fans hard to find. I always impressed with what a glossy publication Bondage was -- wonderful artwork, printed on good paper and some amazing interviews. It must have been hard to produce a fanzine of such high quality in the days before such layout programs as Quark XPress.

[BONDFINESSE 007]

after watching DAF just a few days ago i am wondering is roger moore would not have been better suited to play bond in this outing...not that i did not like having sean back one more time but to me it feels like a roger bond film, this would have been a good jumping on point and had he done this one we could have had him for a total of 14 years and 8 films.
seans heart was not in this and thats so clear to see and i think roger with his youthful looking face could have done so well here...(boy did he look young in lald) but we will never know, i will always feel that daf was the start of the moore era even if daf did not have roger in it...but it should have