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[4 Ur Eyez Only]

So many sources.. here is another one:

Book: The Incredible World of 007: An AUTHORIZED Celebration of James Bond.

Page 190.. Interview with Albert R. Broccoli

SECOND QUESTION!!!

" Q: What were your impressions of Ian Fleming

A: Lovely, wonderful man. He was James Bond. Fleming was NOT please with the choice of Sean Connery as Bond. He wanted a man called ROGER MOORE. I said "Ian, we don't want Roger Moore because he is "The Saint", and that may be difficult to over come". He finally met Connery in Jamaica at Goldeneye [ Fleming's residence]. They became good friends, and Fleming liked him. In Fact, United Artist had been pushing for somebody else for the role. and in that respect, Harry and I were in unison that Sean was the guy we were going to use. We screen-tested a lot of people, but we didn;t screen test him. We had a deal with Connery before we had director Terence Young. When Terence heard we had cast Sean, he held his head and said " Disaster! Disaster! Disaster!" I said, "it's a fait accompli" "

Yet again another source! ..and this is a AUTHORIZED James Bond Book!!! You just heard it from Cubby himself!!!

John Glen talked about this exact story in his Book.. (That Cubby told him that Ian wanted Roger first)

"some" jumped on John Glen for not checking his sources for other things in his book.. so they just BRUSHED OFF what John said "Cubby told him"

NOW! We have a Official Source.. a Authorized Book by the Owners of James Bond!!! If you look at the Book ...Cubby did the introduction to whole the book!

Whatelse do "some" need..



Simple as this.. The man that created the character.. lived with the stories.. and loved the stories BEFORE anyone knew of them .. before there was Movies even thought of..

Ian is the Man.. he lived with these stories and character..before the hype of JFK loving these books.. before they were published.. That Ian Fleming...

Wanted Roger Moore first to Play James Bond for the movies!
:cool:

[DLibrasnow]

I think anyone who denies that Ian Fleming wanted Roger first is either crazy or just doesn't know what they are talking about...

[4 Ur Eyez Only]

Yep

I think it is a dumb thing to keep saying wasn't true.. so today when I went to library .. I saw this book.. and there it was again..

that interview was taken in 1990..:cool:

[doublenoughtspy]

How about some research here people.

This conversation between Fleming and Broccoli had to take place in 1961 (prior to Connery's announcement as Bond on Nov 3, 1961).

Let's see - the first Saint episode with Roger Moore didn't air until after Dr No premiered - Oct 4, 1962 "The Talented Husband".

The press conference announcing Roger as the Saint was May 1, 1962. Dr No was already in the can at that point.

The conversation about Roger being the Saint and having to overcome that could not have happened during the time period before the Bond role was cast.

Was Roger on the shortlist to play Bond? Of course.

I find it difficult to believe that Ian Fleming, who was not much of a movie or TV fan, would have been that familiar with Moore's work circa 1961.

Think about the one piece of casting advice Fleming was known to give (and can be backed up with documentary evidence - the telegram) - Noel Coward as Dr No. It wasn't because he was a favorite actor or anything - its because he knew him personally.

Roger did pretend to be Bond in the Saint epiosde Luella (Originally Aired 1/23/1964).

Now the first textual evidence that I can find tying Roger to Bond is also in 1964 (June 27 to be exact) when he was linked in the press to the beginnings of Casino Royale.

If you want to prove that Ian Fleming wanted Roger Moore as Bond - you are going to have to give me more evidence than Broccoli's faulty memory.

[JimmyBond]

I know they did'nt want Roger for Dr. No because they thought he was too much of a pretty boy.

That little nugget of info is also from The Incredible World of 007: An AUTHORIZED Celebration of James Bond.

I have no doubt that what Cubby was talking about was that Ian thoght Roger would make a great Bond, but Roger was in the saint by then and they had Connery already.

[4 Ur Eyez Only]

It "sorta" seems like Cubby had Sean all signed up before anyone saw him.. and he had to back peddle a little when Ian, Terence Young.. said they were not really into him..

sounded like a hard sell.. with everyone even United Artist..

[David Somerset]

Was Roger a household name in those pre-Saint days through the Maverick tv show or was he still a relative unknown??

[BONDFINESSE 007]

seems like a no brainer, u go with roger over sean...if you had to choose, but the saint was in the way, i believe

[DLibrasnow]

I believe that Fleming would prefer Englishman Roger Moore over a "former Scottish truck driver" (how one executive at United Artists described him).

It's even mentioned in the DVD "Inside Dr. No" (in an on-camera interview with Cubby Broccoli) that Roger Moore was a "hot contender" for the Bond role but that he was already obligated to "The Saint".

[4 Ur Eyez Only]

hey don't get me wrong sean was fine! He made the part his own.. I just think he didn't show ALL the angles on Bond from the books.. he was god at 2 emotions.. and a little dry humor..

not bad! But just not the range of Roger...

But Sean did a fine job.. it is just when in the later ones Thunderball on.. when the producers wanted to have more range ..a little more humor & just emotion.. by then Sean didn't care.. and was a star! He didn't want to work at doing more then playing the role like he did in the first 3..

I am happy Roger did the role when he did.. I agree he might have ben to much of a pretty boy.. I think he grew into a better serious actor when he aged a little.. he was taken more seriously

so the cream always rises to the top..

:cool:

Personally.. NOW I love all the Sean & Roger.. Timothy movies.. they are all good.. different styles.. BUT Roger was the best.. he can change his emotion.. and show some heart..

But I just love 007.. The Grand Daddy of Action Entertainment Films!!

[DLibrasnow]

Originally posted by 4 Ur Eyez Only
BUT Roger was the best..

Completely agree....nobody does it better!

[MrDraco]

I wonder what Fleming would have thought of Pierce Brosnan?
Yeah Roger was the first bond i ever saw so he's always on my good list, but for me Brosnan is first then Moore..Connery and Dalton..so on so on...

[DLibrasnow]

I'm not sure Fleming would have initially approved of Pierce Brosnan (being Irish and all), but he may have warmed to him later (in much the same way he did to Connery).

[BONDFINESSE 007]

Originally posted by DLibrasnow
I'm not sure Fleming would have initially approved of Pierce Brosnan (being Irish and all), but he may have warmed to him later (in much the same way he did to Connery).

that was very well said snowie...very well said

[4 Ur Eyez Only]

I think Ian would be rolling over in his grave.. IF he knew Pierce was 007

IF he didn't like Sean.. and needed to be warmed up to him.. HOW & WHY would he like a guy who is a groupie to Sean?

..as soon as I heard Pierce pronounce the word "Nazi" in Goldeneye.. EXACTLY how Sean says it.. ( in Goldfinger)

I knew we were in trouble.

[Red Grant]

Originally posted by doublenoughtspy
How about some research here people.

This conversation between Fleming and Broccoli had to take place in 1961 (prior to Connery's announcement as Bond on Nov 3, 1961).

Let's see - the first Saint episode with Roger Moore didn't air until after Dr No premiered - Oct 4, 1962 "The Talented Husband".

The press conference announcing Roger as the Saint was May 1, 1962.  Dr No was already in the can at that point.

The conversation about Roger being the Saint and having to overcome that could not have happened during the time period before the Bond role was cast.

Was Roger on the shortlist to play Bond? Of course.

I find it difficult to believe that Ian Fleming, who was not much of a movie or TV fan, would have been that familiar with Moore's work circa 1961.

Think about the one piece of casting advice Fleming was known to give (and can be backed up with documentary evidence - the telegram) - Noel Coward as Dr No.  It wasn't because he was a favorite actor or anything - its because he knew him personally.

Roger did pretend to be Bond in the Saint epiosde Luella (Originally Aired 1/23/1964).

Now the first textual evidence that I can find tying Roger to Bond is also in 1964 (June 27 to be exact) when he was linked in the press to the beginnings of Casino Royale.

If you want to prove that Ian Fleming wanted Roger Moore as Bond - you are going to have to give me more evidence than Broccoli's faulty memory.

Well said! The fact that the information has been printed in a book (or appears on the net or related from a third party) doesn't make it true. Many people connected with the Bond films seem to have selective memories when it comes to the subject. Broccoli was no exception. I have had conversations with many people who have worked on the films and much of the time one has to take what they say with a pinch of salt. Just listen to the commentaries by Lee Tamahori and Pierce Brosnan on the DAD DVD to find out that in some cases they are completely wrong and this stuff gets taken as the gospel truth! We are all guilty of this. Hell, I've got facts wrong on my site before and had to correct them. That said I try to verify the sources of a lot of the research and not take my first impressions to be the definitive one. It has taken me a long time to track down the names of many of the artists who worked on the early posters and due to the passage of time there are very few out there who now remember.