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#361 Gobi-1

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Posted 20 April 2016 - 12:38 AM

I would love to see Stanna Katic come back. I was really disappointed when that storyline was not followed up. Corinne is Canadian Intelligence so maybe the series could finally go to the Great White North, officially that is.



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Posted 20 April 2016 - 12:43 AM

I would love to see Stanna Katic come back. I was really disappointed when that storyline was not followed up. Corinne is Canadian Intelligence so maybe the series could finally go to the Great White North, officially that is.

 

I wouldn't have been surprised if they had followed up on it, but there were two things out of the control of EON keeping it from happening.  Obviously, the MGM financial nonsense that pushed Skyfall all the way back to 2012.  Also, Quantum of Solace came out just months before Castle debuted.  It did fairly well out of the gate, but really exploded in popularity in its second season in the fall (it debuted in the March following QoS's release).

 

That's not to say that they actually had plans to follow-up on it, but if they did, they probably wouldn't have been able to do it anyway, as MGM's financial woes and Castle's fast start would have prevented it anyway.

 

Now that she's not tied to a series with that kind of demand on her time, they should take the chance to bring her back.  She's a fantastic actress and would be an asset to the franchise.



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Posted 20 April 2016 - 05:11 AM

I´m actually not so sure about her, I must say.  Katic definitely is beautiful and can handle dramatic and comedic material.  Maybe it´s due to CASTLE continually glamming her up that I remain a bit indifferent towards her while I enjoyed Nathan Fillion´s laid-back, yet very precise delivery of dialogue a lot more.

 

After Fillion´s official response to Katic´s leaving the series ("She will be missed"), more and more reports on their strained relationship are coming to light - and it explains why in the last two seasons scenes with both characters became sparse.  A bit shocking since they still seemed to work pretty well with each other - but that is probably proof for their really good acting abilities.

 

IMHO, I think Katic should get her own show, something edgier, giving her material to shine in a different way.  I don´t really see her in a Bond film, maybe because of her overfamiliarity right now, due to eight years on CASTLE.



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Posted 20 April 2016 - 09:40 PM

I´m actually not so sure about her, I must say.  Katic definitely is beautiful and can handle dramatic and comedic material.  Maybe it´s due to CASTLE continually glamming her up that I remain a bit indifferent towards her while I enjoyed Nathan Fillion´s laid-back, yet very precise delivery of dialogue a lot more.

 

After Fillion´s official response to Katic´s leaving the series ("She will be missed"), more and more reports on their strained relationship are coming to light - and it explains why in the last two seasons scenes with both characters became sparse.  A bit shocking since they still seemed to work pretty well with each other - but that is probably proof for their really good acting abilities.

 

IMHO, I think Katic should get her own show, something edgier, giving her material to shine in a different way.  I don´t really see her in a Bond film, maybe because of her overfamiliarity right now, due to eight years on CASTLE.

 

I think that's the case, at least for her.  I don't leave Fillion out of that due to spite, though, although I have to admit that I've lost a great deal of respect for him throughout this whole ordeal and over past few years with regards to how the whole thing has gone down.  It's pretty clear, and Fillion said something to the effect when he's talked about how he lobbied for the part, the role of Castle is, in many respects, a fictitious version of Nathan Fillion.  There's a lot of himself in the role, so it doesn't require much of a stretching of his acting abilities.

 

I respect Katic's contribution much more.  She took what was supposed to be the sidekick character, the character that was simply supposed to be be the foil for Castle, and essentially turned her into the most important character in the show.  She's the one that drives most of the recurring stories on the show and, quite frankly, I think an easier, and better, way forward would have been to focus entirely on her character and cut Fillion rather than do what they did.  The show is far more entertaining and interesting when Beckett's the primary focus, and a lot of that comes down to her ability to create that character and make her into more than she was initially designed to be.

 

But, in the end, with regards to Bond, it's all a moot point anyway.  They'd never bring Katic back.  Your primary Bond girls are generally in their late twenties or early thirties.  Katic turns 38 next week, and would be in her 40s by the time Bond 25 arrives in theaters.  It's a shame, though, that they squandered her on such a minor character.  She obviously caught their eye enough to cast her in that part, even as small as it was.  



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Posted 21 April 2016 - 10:37 AM

 

I´m actually not so sure about her, I must say.  Katic definitely is beautiful and can handle dramatic and comedic material.  Maybe it´s due to CASTLE continually glamming her up that I remain a bit indifferent towards her while I enjoyed Nathan Fillion´s laid-back, yet very precise delivery of dialogue a lot more.

 

After Fillion´s official response to Katic´s leaving the series ("She will be missed"), more and more reports on their strained relationship are coming to light - and it explains why in the last two seasons scenes with both characters became sparse.  A bit shocking since they still seemed to work pretty well with each other - but that is probably proof for their really good acting abilities.

 

IMHO, I think Katic should get her own show, something edgier, giving her material to shine in a different way.  I don´t really see her in a Bond film, maybe because of her overfamiliarity right now, due to eight years on CASTLE.

 

I think that's the case, at least for her.  I don't leave Fillion out of that due to spite, though, although I have to admit that I've lost a great deal of respect for him throughout this whole ordeal and over past few years with regards to how the whole thing has gone down.  It's pretty clear, and Fillion said something to the effect when he's talked about how he lobbied for the part, the role of Castle is, in many respects, a fictitious version of Nathan Fillion.  There's a lot of himself in the role, so it doesn't require much of a stretching of his acting abilities.

 

I respect Katic's contribution much more.  She took what was supposed to be the sidekick character, the character that was simply supposed to be be the foil for Castle, and essentially turned her into the most important character in the show.  She's the one that drives most of the recurring stories on the show and, quite frankly, I think an easier, and better, way forward would have been to focus entirely on her character and cut Fillion rather than do what they did.  The show is far more entertaining and interesting when Beckett's the primary focus, and a lot of that comes down to her ability to create that character and make her into more than she was initially designed to be.

 

But, in the end, with regards to Bond, it's all a moot point anyway.  They'd never bring Katic back.  Your primary Bond girls are generally in their late twenties or early thirties.  Katic turns 38 next week, and would be in her 40s by the time Bond 25 arrives in theaters.  It's a shame, though, that they squandered her on such a minor character.  She obviously caught their eye enough to cast her in that part, even as small as it was.  

 

 

Don't forget the small role the writers and show creators have in making a TV character interesting... much more so than in movies.

 

Credit to Katic for making something of the character that inspired better storytelling around her. But be careful of overpraising: most long-running TV shows find unintended gold in supporting characters, if only because supporting characters are initially created with room to improve and mould, because shows are initially built around the main character. This goes for nearly every TV show ever.



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Posted 21 April 2016 - 12:38 PM

Of course the writers are (or were, in this case) excellent.  Never said that they weren't.  In fact, I would imagine that the show wouldn't be in the position that it's currently in had Andrew Marlowe and the original creative team behind the show stayed with it.  

 

I don't think it's overpraising her to say that she's a highly talented actress.  She is.  I didn't go so far as to say Oscar or Emmy worthy, as I don't think that she is, although she's done work on the show here and there that has risen to the level of some of those actors who are consistently nominated for TV's top award.  I also don't think it's overpraising to say that she's more talented than Fillion.  Then again, in my opinion, a good number of people are.  He's asked to play archetype on the show, which he pursued, according to him, because he felt that he was very similar to the character he is asked to portray.  I'm not going to knock him for that, as there have been countless people before him who have made careers out of doing that and there will be no shortage of people doing that into the future.  I will knock him, though, for his role in the behind-the-scenes nonsense that has gone on.  She deserves some blame for it as well, I'm sure, but the bulk of it, seems to stem from the opposite direction.

 

Anyway, this is all off topic, sorry I brought it up.  It would have been nice to see EON revisit such an angle, since they're into that kind of thing now, but she's sadly far too old for EON to consider now, as we're now entering that portion of Craig's career where, if the past is any indicator, they'll seek to make sure his Bond girls are so much younger than him to the point that it's borderline uncomfortable for the audience.



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Posted 21 April 2016 - 01:13 PM

EON should take a page from what Warren Ellis is doing with Bond.

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Posted 22 April 2016 - 04:28 PM

EON should replace Hoyt van Hoytema with a cinematographer who doesn't have a pathological aversion to blue skies.

 

Perhaps the motif was supposed to be SPECTRE casting a pall over the world, or the line between good and evil becoming hazy, but for me it just made every exterior daytime shot unnecessarily dull.

 

Perhaps that was the intended motif?



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Posted 22 April 2016 - 04:34 PM

No, I think it was really the almost-sepia of the burned photography Bond holds in his flat. There is some vaguely "it happened a while back" kind of feeling about it, the past reaching into the present, that kind of thing.


Or it's all just an intern who had his feet on the controls while the master footage got its makeover...

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Posted 28 April 2016 - 10:33 AM

Of course the writers are (or were, in this case) excellent.  Never said that they weren't.  In fact, I would imagine that the show wouldn't be in the position that it's currently in had Andrew Marlowe and the original creative team behind the show stayed with it.  

 

I don't think it's overpraising her to say that she's a highly talented actress.  She is.  I didn't go so far as to say Oscar or Emmy worthy, as I don't think that she is, although she's done work on the show here and there that has risen to the level of some of those actors who are consistently nominated for TV's top award.  I also don't think it's overpraising to say that she's more talented than Fillion.  Then again, in my opinion, a good number of people are.  He's asked to play archetype on the show, which he pursued, according to him, because he felt that he was very similar to the character he is asked to portray.  I'm not going to knock him for that, as there have been countless people before him who have made careers out of doing that and there will be no shortage of people doing that into the future.  I will knock him, though, for his role in the behind-the-scenes nonsense that has gone on.  She deserves some blame for it as well, I'm sure, but the bulk of it, seems to stem from the opposite direction.

 

Anyway, this is all off topic, sorry I brought it up.  It would have been nice to see EON revisit such an angle, since they're into that kind of thing now, but she's sadly far too old for EON to consider now, as we're now entering that portion of Craig's career where, if the past is any indicator, they'll seek to make sure his Bond girls are so much younger than him to the point that it's borderline uncomfortable for the audience.

 

In a perfect world, she's nowhere near too old to be considered by EON :) And hey, aren't we supposed to be in that world now, post-Bellucci?

 

If EON were to consider bring Katic back from QoS, I'd be very happy to see Olga Kurylenko return too. Although I've no idea how they'd plausibly bring either of them back. (Especially Katic, she was such a small role.)

 

Then again, the last we heard of Felix was that he's now Section Chief for South America, so if Bond's going to that part of the world again to see Felix, Camille could get involved too...



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Posted 28 April 2016 - 11:30 AM

 

Then again, the last we heard of Felix was that he's now Section Chief for South America, so if Bond's going to that part of the world again to see Felix, Camille could get involved too...

 

 

Where there's a will there's a way. 



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Posted 29 April 2016 - 02:53 AM

 

Of course the writers are (or were, in this case) excellent.  Never said that they weren't.  In fact, I would imagine that the show wouldn't be in the position that it's currently in had Andrew Marlowe and the original creative team behind the show stayed with it.  

 

I don't think it's overpraising her to say that she's a highly talented actress.  She is.  I didn't go so far as to say Oscar or Emmy worthy, as I don't think that she is, although she's done work on the show here and there that has risen to the level of some of those actors who are consistently nominated for TV's top award.  I also don't think it's overpraising to say that she's more talented than Fillion.  Then again, in my opinion, a good number of people are.  He's asked to play archetype on the show, which he pursued, according to him, because he felt that he was very similar to the character he is asked to portray.  I'm not going to knock him for that, as there have been countless people before him who have made careers out of doing that and there will be no shortage of people doing that into the future.  I will knock him, though, for his role in the behind-the-scenes nonsense that has gone on.  She deserves some blame for it as well, I'm sure, but the bulk of it, seems to stem from the opposite direction.

 

Anyway, this is all off topic, sorry I brought it up.  It would have been nice to see EON revisit such an angle, since they're into that kind of thing now, but she's sadly far too old for EON to consider now, as we're now entering that portion of Craig's career where, if the past is any indicator, they'll seek to make sure his Bond girls are so much younger than him to the point that it's borderline uncomfortable for the audience.

 

In a perfect world, she's nowhere near too old to be considered by EON :) And hey, aren't we supposed to be in that world now, post-Bellucci?

 

If EON were to consider bring Katic back from QoS, I'd be very happy to see Olga Kurylenko return too. Although I've no idea how they'd plausibly bring either of them back. (Especially Katic, she was such a small role.)

 

Then again, the last we heard of Felix was that he's now Section Chief for South America, so if Bond's going to that part of the world again to see Felix, Camille could get involved too...

 

 

I think that there could have been a solid story to tell had they done it immediately after Quantum of Solace, or maybe immediately after Skyfall had so much time not passed between films.  The idea of Bond having to take on Quantum/SPECTRE with a female agent who had been put in the exact same position that Vesper had been, all while dealing with the unfolding revelations of who was actually behind it all, could have made for something interesting.  Granted, that time has probably passed, since they've already cannibalized Casino Royale, Quantum of Solace, and Skyfall to tell the story of who was supposedly behind it all, but I think it still stands that the story could have been an interesting one, certainly moreso than the mess we got with Spectre.



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Posted 01 June 2016 - 03:48 AM

If Tom Hiddleston is cast, I foresee a stylish but ruthless incarnation of Bond. I think class and humour could be more emphasised as well, to contrast against Craig. As for the story, I'm not sure at this point. I would like different locations other than Italy and the UK, though. I'd like Jamaica and Japan...places like these. 



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Posted 01 June 2016 - 06:52 AM

If Tom Hiddleston is cast, I foresee a stylish but ruthless incarnation of Bond. I think class and humour could be more emphasised as well, to contrast against Craig. As for the story, I'm not sure at this point. I would like different locations other than Italy and the UK, though. I'd like Jamaica and Japan...places like these. 

 

Yes, I agree with the stylish with humour angle. Movies have lightened up a bit in the last 5 years, even those ultra-serious-looking superhero ones.

 

I can imagine they'd go for a mixture of a brand new location and a classic Bondian location.

 

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Posted 01 June 2016 - 06:56 AM

More humour, please, more fun and LESS personal drama and angst.

 

I know, I´m repeating myself ad nauseam - but just give the next Bond a mission without Mi6 distrust.



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Posted 01 June 2016 - 07:34 AM

Yes, I agree with the stylish with humour angle. Movies have lightened up a bit in the last 5 years, even those ultra-serious-looking superhero ones.

Indeed. Being a killer has its downsides, and that gives the character depth. But at the core, the cinematic Bond is a fantasy figure. A charmer who gets what he wants. 



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Posted 01 June 2016 - 08:07 AM

I'd also like to see more humour, but not to the franchise's detriment. If they are going to attempt to bring more laughs to the films then they need to be careful about it - like getting the right actor who can deliver the lines in the best possible way. Bond is ruthless, and should remain so. But, he doesn't take life too seriously. In all honesty I thought Brosnan balanced the two characteristics well. 



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Posted 01 June 2016 - 11:12 AM

More humour, please, more fun and LESS personal drama and angst.

 

I know, I´m repeating myself ad nauseam - but just give the next Bond a mission without Mi6 distrust.

 

I predict the first film of Bond #7 will not be personal drama (be it Bond 25 or Bond 26), but then with his second outing we'll be back to the "this time it's personal" which has been plaguing the Craig and Brosnan eras. Had someone told me at the time of CR's release that it would be the least personal Craig outing, I'd have thought they were crazy, as it was one of the most personal films in the franchise until that point. 

 

I don't think EON remember how to make a non-personal story anymore. 



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Posted 01 June 2016 - 11:28 AM

Take away all this personal stuff, the revenge plots and vendettas. It worked ONCE in 'Licence To Kill', possibly twice for 'Casino Royale'. Since then, it's just dragging it out. People slammed 'QOS' for having a weak revenge plot but even since the events from 'CR' are still being milked and linked unnecessarily all to fuel the "personal" plot.

And can we have a Bond who seems to want to BE an MI6 agent? Not always looking for ways out, and going against his superior like some petulant, bitter man? The character of Bond is starting to become a loose cannon and a thug, just about holding onto his 00-status despite always going off the grid and doing what he wants. Craig's Bond has quit MI6 TWICE in the space of 9 years and 4 films due to women.

To me, that's not a secret agent like James Bond. That's a bloke having a mid-life crisis who works in a bank.

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Posted 01 June 2016 - 12:56 PM

I can imagine that particular viewpoint was crafted for Craig because he was and remains critical of the job.



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Posted 01 June 2016 - 04:43 PM

And can we have a Bond who seems to want to BE an MI6 agent? Not always looking for ways out, and going against his superior like some petulant, bitter man? The character of Bond is starting to become a loose cannon and a thug, just about holding onto his 00-status despite always going off the grid and doing what he wants. Craig's Bond has quit MI6 TWICE in the space of 9 years and 4 films due to women.
 

 

AND he was stripped of his 00-license once (after having gone rogue), plus he "stayed dead" for a few months because he resented M telling Moneypenny to "take the bloody shot." Now we've covered all four Craig films. 

 

My solution: EON should stay away from anything resembling quitting / resigning / going rogue / losing 00-license until AT LEAST the year 2035. 

 

One can dream. 



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Posted 01 June 2016 - 10:49 PM

I want Craig to return and the Spectre storyline to continue. But it does't have to be personal exactly. I'd like an adaptation of Live and Let Die and Diamonds Are Forever, with those storylines intertwined, wherein Spectre agents (the Spang brothers?) are using an underground smuggling operation (gold, diamonds, stolen antiquities, whatever) to try and re-finance and re-build ( and perhaps take control of) a fledgling Spectre without Blofeld. Bond would return to service and accept the assignment of following and destroying the pipeline and those at its head. Of course, Blofeld would have to be brought into it at some point, which could lead to a third and final film to wrap it up.



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Posted 02 June 2016 - 01:33 AM

I also believe Craig should return along with Spectre and Blofeld. I feel that instead of the goal of "world domination," let the goal be legitimacy in the eyes of the world and governments. What would that mean for MI6 and for Bond. What if Spectre became a resource instead of a foe- the "necessary evil" as it were?

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Posted 02 June 2016 - 02:19 AM

 

And can we have a Bond who seems to want to BE an MI6 agent? Not always looking for ways out, and going against his superior like some petulant, bitter man? The character of Bond is starting to become a loose cannon and a thug, just about holding onto his 00-status despite always going off the grid and doing what he wants. Craig's Bond has quit MI6 TWICE in the space of 9 years and 4 films due to women.
 

 

AND he was stripped of his 00-license once (after having gone rogue), plus he "stayed dead" for a few months because he resented M telling Moneypenny to "take the bloody shot." Now we've covered all four Craig films. 

 

My solution: EON should stay away from anything resembling quitting / resigning / going rogue / losing 00-license until AT LEAST the year 2035. 

 

One can dream. 

 

 

Ha ha so true.

 

And here's another one - my brother always says "M sits behind a desk, damnit!"

 

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Posted 02 June 2016 - 03:32 AM

I also believe Craig should return along with Spectre and Blofeld. I feel that instead of the goal of "world domination," let the goal be legitimacy in the eyes of the world and governments. What would that mean for MI6 and for Bond. What if Spectre became a resource instead of a foe- the "necessary evil" as it were?

If Craig leaves, I think Dynamite's Bond comics could be a good inspiration for the future. Rest the organisation for a while. You could have Blofeld still in custody. Locked up good and tight, so he's not getting out. In his absence SPECTRE has lost purpose and direction. Several failed power plays have created all sorts of mess. But the organisation remains in the form of ghost cells. Loyalists acting as sleepers, waiting for the right time to strike back. I think that's a nifty idea. There's not really a big rush to bring back SPECTRE given they have the rights again.



#386 Dustin

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Posted 02 June 2016 - 10:28 AM


I also believe Craig should return along with Spectre and Blofeld. I feel that instead of the goal of "world domination," let the goal be legitimacy in the eyes of the world and governments. What would that mean for MI6 and for Bond. What if Spectre became a resource instead of a foe- the "necessary evil" as it were?

If Craig leaves, I think Dynamite's Bond comics could be a good inspiration for the future. Rest the organisation for a while. You could have Blofeld still in custody. Locked up good and tight, so he's not getting out. In his absence SPECTRE has lost purpose and direction. Several failed power plays have created all sorts of mess. But the organisation remains in the form of ghost cells. Loyalists acting as sleepers, waiting for the right time to strike back. I think that's a nifty idea. There's not really a big rush to bring back SPECTRE given they have the rights again.

If find the idea interesting that SIS keeps Spectre around as a kind of reptile resource. Perhaps even with Bond in charge of them since he's already familiar with their m.o. and knows their founder like nobody else....

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Posted 15 July 2016 - 02:36 AM

I'd like to see the films take a page from Trigger Mortis and have Bond go undercover as a race car driver. We haven't really seen him operate under an assumed identity since Casino Royale. Fisher, Sir Hilary, Peter Franks, Robert Sterling, St. John Smythe, Dr. Arkov, Arlington Beech... it's great fun, every single time.

 

Spain hasn't been explored enough. Bond could meet with a contact during the Running of the Bulls in Pamplona. A great suspense/action scene could be built around the event, with an enemy assassin inevitably killed by a bull... I'm not a great fan of that tradition, but it has great cinematic potential!



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Posted 13 September 2016 - 02:29 PM

I would like to see the Spangeld Mob from DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER. The Spangs could work as pyschopathic, industrialist-brother-duo  (like a combination of Zorin and Sanchez). They could choose real actor brothers (for example: Jeff and Michael Wincott) or similar looking actors (like Gary Oldman and Aidan Gillen). That could become very interesting, I think.


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Posted 13 September 2016 - 05:37 PM

I would like to see the Spangeld Mob from DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER. The Spangs could work as pyschopathic, industrialist-brother-duo  (like a combination of Zorin and Sanchez). They could choose real actor brothers (for example: Jeff and Michael Wincott) or similar looking actors (like Gary Oldman and Aidan Gillen). That could become very interesting, I think.

 

Not a bad idea. It would be nice if EON were to start mixing up the villains' department a little-- maybe play around with age, race, gender, etc...

 

I'm very pleased with the villains we've had so far, I just feel like they're somewhat of a monolithic group in terms of the aforementioned criteria, although obviously they vary widely when it comes to personality and goals.

 

A brotherly duo would be a welcome change.