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[Vauxhall]

I know it won't be there, but I'd love a bonus of the Thomas Newman composition of the 'OHMSS' trailer music. That'd be a dream.

Let's be super ambitious and hope a version of it appears in the main score. Fingers crossed.

[stromberg]

 

I know it won't be there, but I'd love a bonus of the Thomas Newman composition of the 'OHMSS' trailer music. That'd be a dream.

Let's be super ambitious and hope a version of it appears in the main score. Fingers crossed.

 

Would be nice, but I'd very much prefer a return of Barry's 007 theme, which we haven't heard since MR. Would be great for the plane scenes, but I doubt it'll happen.

[thecasinoroyale]

Maybe it was the one off experience to sell the film even more as it gave me chills hearing it so much darker and dangerous sounding in the trailer.

[201050]

Skyfall is one of my very favorite Bond scores, so I'm extremely happy he returned. I'm seldom without five or six complete scores, as well as a few compilations I put together. Skyfall probably sees the most laying time.

[AMC Hornet]

Skyfall probably sees the most laying time.

 

Oooo-kay...

[MattofSteel]

I'd be a big fan of some Newman score details right about now.

[Double-Oh Agent]

 

 

I know it won't be there, but I'd love a bonus of the Thomas Newman composition of the 'OHMSS' trailer music. That'd be a dream.

Let's be super ambitious and hope a version of it appears in the main score. Fingers crossed.

 

Would be nice, but I'd very much prefer a return of Barry's 007 theme, which we haven't heard since MR. Would be great for the plane scenes, but I doubt it'll happen.

 

Totally agree. I've been waiting/hoping for 007 for quite some time. I thought we might get it in Die Another Day for the 40th anniversary and to a lesser extent in Skyfall for the 50th anniversary. I'm surprised with how much David Arnold is a fan of John Barry's that he didn't honor him with a reprise of it during his tenure. It's a good tune. It should come back. If history is any indication, it would appear in either a chase or a big battle sequence.

[sharpshooter]

I'm dying to hear the soundtrack, and hope we get a track listing soon. 

 

Speaking of returning motifs, fingers crossed Newman brings 'Quartermaster' back for Q. I could possibly see similar music being used during Q's scenes in Austria when he has his laptop out.

[Professor Pi]

One of the reasons Newman hasn't had his own arrangement of the Bond theme is he hasn't had the gunbarrel opening at the beginning.  This is a composer's chance to make his statement about how we're going to experience his take on the Bond score in the next two hours.  Martin, Hamlisch, Conti, Kamen, Serra, and Arnold all were able to introduce their styles in this way, paying homage to Barry while providing twists to the theme. 

 

While I'd like to see Arnold return for Craig's swansong, I'm intrigued by the music Newman's put into the trailers (assuming it's Newman and not another composer like Parodi.)  So I'm happy Newman's scoring SPECTRE but still want David Arnold to have one more shot.  After that, Alexandre Desplat gets my vote (Zero Dark Thirty, the beautiful themes in The Imitation Game.)  And for the love of God, let the composer work with the song title artist (and hopefully for more than 20 minutes--yes, I'm looking at you Sam Smith!)

[The Shark]

While I'd like to see Arnold return for Craig's swansong, I'm intrigued by the music Newman's put into the trailers (assuming it's Newman and not another composer like Parodi.)

It was Jeff Pfiefer. That's been confirmed. Newman had absolutely nothing to do with the trailers.

[Professor Pi]

Thanks!  Will probably be looking forward to that on CD more than Newman's score (I know, I know--keep an open mind.)

[The Shark]

Really? I mean as far as trailer music goes, it's quite effective, but I can't imagine prefering to listen to than a new Bond score (no matter who was composing). It's so lacking in orchestral variety, the doublings are muddy and amateurish, it's harsh and tinny and it's all in D minor... To all those saying Pfiefer's OHMSS arrangment is darker or cooler than the original I shake my head. He's made it contemporary, but by that I mean bland and obvious.

[Guy Haines]

I know it won't be there, but I'd love a bonus of the Thomas Newman composition of the 'OHMSS' trailer music. That'd be a dream.

Let's be super ambitious and hope a version of it appears in the main score. Fingers crossed.

Would be nice, but I'd very much prefer a return of Barry's 007 theme, which we haven't heard since MR. Would be great for the plane scenes, but I doubt it'll happen.

Totally agree. I've been waiting/hoping for 007 for quite some time. I thought we might get it in Die Another Day for the 40th anniversary and to a lesser extent in Skyfall for the 50th anniversary. I'm surprised with how much David Arnold is a fan of John Barry's that he didn't honor him with a reprise of it during his tenure. It's a good tune. It should come back. If history is any indication, it would appear in either a chase or a big battle sequence.

It would be nice to have a return of the "007" theme, given that it featured in four out of the six "official" movies which previously featured SPECTRE.

But in the great scheme of things, the theme didn't feature as much as we might have liked - even John Barry didn't over use it in the eleven films he scored (Thunderball being perhaps the exception) and in six out of those eleven it didn't feature at all.

Wasn't it meant as an upbeat, staccato alternative to Monty Norman's (John Barry arranged) James Bond Theme? I just wonder if John Barry realised after so long that his 007 theme was never going to displace the Norman theme in public affections, and so, after DAF, and save for a brief return in MR, the 007 theme remained a part of the Connery era.

Pity, really!

[marktmurphy]

I'm really not bothered about the 007 theme; I don't think it really works that well as an action theme. Barry did way, way better than that and I wonder if people only want it back because of its name.

[Harmsway]

I'm really not bothered about the 007 theme; I don't think it really works that well as an action theme. Barry did way, way better than that and I wonder if people only want it back because of its name.

I think it's an exciting theme in its own right, but it doesn't usually convey a strong sense of danger (the exception here is the darker, more frantic arrangement used in Thunderball, which is actually my favorite rendition of the theme). It brings out a sense of joyful exhilaration.

I could see it being used well the car chase.

[Mr.Hinx]

 

I'm really not bothered about the 007 theme; I don't think it really works that well as an action theme. Barry did way, way better than that and I wonder if people only want it back because of its name.

I think it's an exciting theme in its own right.

 

I honestly think its one of the worst themes i ever heard. If thomas Newman fails to use the Bond theme in Spectre I will hate spectre as I hated skyfall. Breadcrumbs is one of the worst bond reneditions I ever heard in all of my life. I heard better bond themes from amatuer composers. The soundtracks from Casino Royale to Skyfall have been generic crap. God i miss how the bond movies used to be scored.

Edited by Mr.Hinx, 11 October 2015 - 07:39 PM.

[Guy Haines]

I'm really not bothered about the 007 theme; I don't think it really works that well as an action theme. Barry did way, way better than that and I wonder if people only want it back because of its name.

I think it's an exciting theme in its own right.

I honestly think its one of the worst themes i ever heard. If thomas Newman fails to use the Bond theme in Spectre I will hate spectre as I hated skyfall. Breadcrumbs is one of the worst bond reneditions I ever heard in all of my life. I heard better bond themes from amatuer composers. The soundtracks from Casino Royale to Skyfall have been generic crap. God i miss how the bond movies used to be scored.

The Bond theme needs to be used in Spectre, but - am I tempting fate here? - I'd like to hear Thomas Newman's own arrangement of it, rather than as happened in SF when David Arnold's arrangement was used.

I say "tempting fate" because there have been arrangements which have ranged from the very good to the average to the almost unrecognisable! ;-)

[sharpshooter]

I think the Bond theme from 'Grand Bazaar, Istanbul', 'Enquiry' and 'She's Mine' qualify as Newman's version of the theme. If there's any musical carry-over from Skyfall, I hope it's that sound at the very least.

[The Shark]

I honestly think its one of the worst themes i ever heard. If thomas Newman fails to use the Bond theme in Spectre I will hate spectre as I hated skyfall. Breadcrumbs is one of the worst bond reneditions I ever heard in all of my life. I heard better bond themes from amatuer composers. The soundtracks from Casino Royale to Skyfall have been generic crap. God i miss how the bond movies used to be scored.

Tell us how you really feel.

[Jim]

 

I honestly think its one of the worst themes i ever heard. If thomas Newman fails to use the Bond theme in Spectre I will hate spectre as I hated skyfall. Breadcrumbs is one of the worst bond reneditions I ever heard in all of my life. I heard better bond themes from amatuer composers. The soundtracks from Casino Royale to Skyfall have been generic crap. God i miss how the bond movies used to be scored.

Tell us how you really feel.

 

Beginning to wish it didn't. But on the other hand, by its own typing(?) one permits it the opportunity to condemn its sweet silly self.

[dtuba]

I think the Bond theme from 'Grand Bazaar, Istanbul', 'Enquiry' and 'She's Mine' qualify as Newman's version of the theme. If there's any musical carry-over from Skyfall, I hope it's that sound at the very least.

We've been over this before, but I think that barely qualifies as the JB theme. Every composer previously, from Marvin H to Moby, have done a complete interpretation of the theme (Okay, so David Arnold merely copied Barry's arrangement as well). But I did not hear anything in SF that sounds like a unique version or arrangement of the theme. Even Breadcrumbs was just a recycled version of Arnold's recycled version.

Newman needs to take another crack at it.

[Guy Haines]

I think the Bond theme from 'Grand Bazaar, Istanbul', 'Enquiry' and 'She's Mine' qualify as Newman's version of the theme. If there's any musical carry-over from Skyfall, I hope it's that sound at the very least.

We've been over this before, but I think that barely qualifies as the JB theme. Every composer previously, from Marvin H to Moby, have done a complete interpretation of the theme (Okay, so David Arnold merely copied Barry's arrangement as well). But I did not hear anything in SF that sounds like a unique version or arrangement of the theme. Even Breadcrumbs was just a recycled version of Arnold's recycled version.
Newman needs to take another crack at it.

I agree. Moreover, John Barry did several different arrangements of TJBT through the series - admittedly he scored the films more than anyone else, but he could have just stuck to the 'same old, same old" for each film. Instead the theme in, say OHMSS sounds a little different, but not drasticallly so, from the original arrangement.

If one composer can take the same theme and interpret it slightly differently more than once then there's no reason why the current composer can't provide his own arrangement of TJBT.

(Although I recall reading - I think it was on this site, correct me if I'm mistaken - that Thomas Newman used David Arnold's Bond theme arrangement because the producers wanted him to?)

[Logie]

I'm really not bothered about the 007 theme; I don't think it really works that well as an action theme. Barry did way, way better than that and I wonder if people only want it back because of its name.

Agreed. I've never quite got how this piece found its way into the Bond films. Sounds more fitting to a spaghetti western than a spy/action film to my ears.

[Guy Haines]

I'm really not bothered about the 007 theme; I don't think it really works that well as an action theme. Barry did way, way better than that and I wonder if people only want it back because of
its name.

Agreed. I've never quite got how this piece found its way into the Bond films. Sounds more fitting to a spaghetti western than a spy/action film to my ears.

Probably not so much name as nostalgia - musically it is part of the "classic" Bond era of the 1960s and if, from the evidence of the SPECTRE trailers, the new film is taking a cue from that era I can understand why some might like to hear "007" again. It's interesting though that John Barry himself didn't overuse it, save in TB, so maybe by the end of the 1960s it had run its course, save for a brief 1970s revival in MR.

[Shrublands]

 

(Although I recall reading - I think it was on this site, correct me if I'm mistaken - that Thomas Newman used David Arnold's Bond theme arrangement because the producers wanted him to?)

 

 

Newman did his own arrangement for inclusion in the score (Breadcrumbs) but they also use an arrangement by Arnold over the the gun barrel at the end.

This has lead to a misunderstanding with some people. Because they see Arnold credited for the use of his version in Skyfall. 

[Guy Haines]

(Although I recall reading - I think it was on this site, correct me if I'm mistaken - that Thomas Newman used David Arnold's Bond theme arrangement because the producers wanted him to?)

 
Newman did his own arrangement for inclusion in the score (Breadcrumbs) but they also use an arrangement by Arnold over the the gun barrel at the end.
This has lead to a misunderstanding with some people. Because they see Arnold credited for the use of his version in Skyfall.

That being so we have already heard Thomas Newman's take on TJBT and a remarkably traditional one it is in the track "Breadcrumbs".

[The Shark]

(Although I recall reading - I think it was on this site, correct me if I'm mistaken - that Thomas Newman used David Arnold's Bond theme arrangement because the producers wanted him to?)

 
Newman did his own arrangement for inclusion in the score (Breadcrumbs)

Thing is, it's so similar to Arnold's arrangement in The Name's Bond... The only noticable difference is the dryer, more "old school" acoustics of Abbey Road and Simon Rhodes's recording vs. the wet sound of Air Studios/Geoff Foster. A sound we've been accustomed to since '97.

[Harmsway]

I suspect Newman was paying homage to Arnold because of his awareness that he'd essentially stolen Arnold's big gig.

I hope he's more willing to play around with the theme this time out.

[DamnCoffee]

Dying to hear more details about the soundtrack now. Every time this thread is upated i'm praying that it's either some form of a track listing or cue previews. God damn it. What's taking them so long!?

[SecretAgentFan]

Dying to hear more details about the soundtrack now. Every time this thread is upated i'm praying that it's either some form of a track listing or cue previews. God damn it. What's taking them so long!?

 

Same here.  I remember SKYFALL-samples becoming available much earlier.