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[Roebuck]

 

 

The only reason P&W get blamed for anything is snobbery. Those who drooled at the idea of an Oscar-nominated writer handling the script are snobs. A non Oscar-nominated writer could well turn in a script which is equal or perhaps even better than what Logan does.

Well that's just a little patronising!

 

The reason i personally was happy to have Haggis on board was because he'd recently written two very solid scripts, Crash and Million Dollar Baby, whereas P&W had recently written DAD.

 

Talking about snobbery may well fit your argument, but i'm afraid you're going to have to give a little more credence than that to the opinions of others.

 

 

Your derisive comments on P & W are, of course, welcome since they are your opinion.  But on a message board opinions tend to get challenged.  In that spirit, if you keep on blaming P & W for your displeasure with DAD, contrasting it with Haggis´ "Crash" (a very controversial choice, by the way, since so many hated that film) and "Million Dollar Baby", you should also take into account that Haggis contributed scripts for "Walker, Texas Ranger".

 

Had Haggis been the show runner, like on Due South, then we could perhaps pin him with the blame for the overall quality of Texas Ranger. But the Walker scripts, if I remember this correctly, were done as a favour to a mate. It was essentially a work for hire gig.

[Shrublands]

Another update from Baz, with what seems like a firm start of shoot date - December 6th.

 

 

Director Sam Mendes will gather his Bond 24 cast, led by Daniel Craig, Ralph Fiennes, Naomie Harris and Ben Whishaw, in late November for a read-through of the script, with principal filming set to begin on December 6

 

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[SecretAgentFan]

Another update from Baz, with what seems like a firm start of shoot date - December 6th.

 

 

Director Sam Mendes will gather his Bond 24 cast, led by Daniel Craig, Ralph Fiennes, Naomie Harris and Ben Whishaw, in late November for a read-through of the script, with principal filming set to begin on December 6

 

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Thanks for the info!

 

So the main cast should be in place in two months.  And a press conference might be expected to follow the example of SKYFALL and take place on December 5th or 6th...

[The Dove]

Excellent!! December 6th cameras will be rolling!

[Call Billy Bob]

PROGRESS!

[AMC Hornet]

Spoilers ahead.

[Guy Haines]

I've just seen an interesting comment on yahoo movies by Sir Roger Moore about Bond 24.  Says Sir Roger "I don't think there's time for humour in the ones I've seen with Daniel Craig. He moves so fast and the action is so good there's been no time for jokes. I've heard that they are possibly inserting a few throwaway lines [into Bond 24] but I don't think it matters because he's just so damned good."

 

It seems that Sir Roger Moore, arguably the master of the Bond one liners, isn't missing them now. I think he's right. Forcing Daniel Craig to do "shtuck" (as he was quoted as calling it) would no more work well than forcing Sir Roger to do a whole Bond film with a frowning expression throughout, imho.

[Call Billy Bob]

I agree for the most part, but the "last rat standing" line in Skyfall worked well for me. Not a usual one-liner, as it called back to an earlier point in the film and felt completely justified. Something like that is fine with me.

[Guy Haines]

I think when Daniel Craig referred to "shtuck" in an interview earlier in the year, he meant the kind of cheesy humour which cropped up in, well, the movies from DAF onwards until TLD, although bits of it even appeared in that. And the visual humour - only two examples, Bond jumping on the komodo dragons and then later jumping on the back of the tube train, appeared in SF. I think Sir Roger Moore recognises that times have changed since he was Bond, that the pace and style of the films are different, and that, as Sir Roger puts it, Daniel Craig is just "so damned good."

[bondjames]

I agree with Moore, but not because times have changed. Rather, because no body delivered one liners as well as either Connery or Moore. Whatever you may think of them as Bond (and I know people swing either way with these two legends), they were the absolute masters of the one liner. "No body did it better". It was not forced at all. It rolled off the tongue and was natural. You felt if you met them today that they would deliver lines like that in person. Even Arnie and Bruce copied this approach when they were on top of their games in the late 80's.

 

From Dalton on it was not the same. Dalton, Brosnan (in particular) and Craig come across forced when delivering these one liners. They don't fit in with their portrayal for some reason or maybe it's just not natural to them and it comes across on screen. For example, Craig's delivery of the 'circle of life' line in Skyfall was terrible. Having said that, his banter with Eve was good, as was his stuff with Camille and with Vesper. So I think they should inject the humour that way as he seems to work well/is smooth with the ladies. I also think injecting some humour using his action man persona works for him better (i.e. breaking through the wall in Casino Royale when chasing the parkour fella and jumping on the back of the train in Skyfall as examples).

 

Just my take.

[SecretAgentFan]

I think the humorous one-liners, once a Bond staple, were considered cheesy from the late 90´s onwards and banned from Bond because now the franchise wanted to score respectability with being tough, gritty and dark.

 

However, times are changing again, and now the one-liners as part of a more light-hearted approach are something people are craving for.  

 

Brosnan tried to have it both ways, and that did not always work to his advantage.  He certainly has comedy chops and should have been allowed to do more of it, IMO.  Craig, well, I don´t know about his comedy acting.  The subway-line in SKYFALL felt forced to me - but the "Teachers on a sabbatical"- and "I can´t find the stationary"-lines in QOS were very funny to me.