CraigBond's evolving relationship with women
#1
Posted 19 November 2012 - 08:30 AM
#2
Posted 19 November 2012 - 02:40 PM
#3
Posted 19 November 2012 - 03:29 PM
#4
Posted 19 November 2012 - 07:27 PM
In fact, Bond utterly commands Solange in CR.The producers are no longer interested in Bond being interested in women. Instead Bond can have sex with a woman only if the woman initates the sexual relationship. In fact, the Craig-Bond has been made a eunich.
In fact, Bond makes agent Fields his love puppet in QOS.
In fact, Bond blows some time with an unnamed object in SF.
In fact, Bond crumbles Severine’s guard like it was made of potato chips, also in SF.
Just getting the facts straight here.
Assuming you recognize the importance of deeper emotional dimensions in his relationship with Vesper, and also the need for equal footing to form a relationship of mutual respect with Moneypenny, what I’m reading here is that you have a problem with the fact that Bond didn’t surprise-bang Camille in the sinkhole. Er… while in the sinkhole, I mean.
Or is it the bedding of M you were hoping for?
#5
Posted 19 November 2012 - 08:35 PM
Love this exchange:
Bond: Can I ask you a personal question?
Solange: Now would seem like an appropriate time.
Bond: Does the word Ellipsis mean anything to you?
And of course when he orders room service for one as he takes off without a care.
Craig has had a great mix of Bond girls so far. He's had a serious relationship (Vesper), a great colleague (Camille), a disposable pleasure (Fields - I mean, he literally sleeps with her just to pass the time), the aforementioned 'business' contact (Solange), and in Skyfall:
#6
Posted 19 November 2012 - 09:01 PM
In fact, Bond utterly commands Solange in CR.
The producers are no longer interested in Bond being interested in women. Instead Bond can have sex with a woman only if the woman initates the sexual relationship. In fact, the Craig-Bond has been made a eunich.
In fact, Bond makes agent Fields his love puppet in QOS.
In fact, Bond blows some time with an unnamed object in SF.
In fact, Bond crumbles Severine’s guard like it was made of potato chips, also in SF.
Just getting the facts straight here.
Assuming you recognize the importance of deeper emotional dimensions in his relationship with Vesper, and also the need for equal footing to form a relationship of mutual respect with Moneypenny, what I’m reading here is that you have a problem with the fact that Bond didn’t surprise-bang Camille in the sinkhole. Er… while in the sinkhole, I mean.
Or is it the bedding of M you were hoping for?
You seemed to be offended by my opinion. The Craig-Bond sex scenes are not in the tradition of the Fleming-Bond or the even the movie-Bond. They seemed to be to contrived and formalistic.
We do not know any context to why he is screwing the island girl, maybe as rent for his diggs. The sex scene with Severine lacks any relevance to the story nor to the characters. My guess is it was thrown in to satisfy the "Fifty shades" crowd who were dragged along with their husbands or boyfriends or generally to satisfy the notion that Bond does have sex. My impression of the scene was that Bond only pursued her sexually because she indicated she wanted sex, not directly.
It is not like the days of yore where Dalton-Bond lands on the boat and tells the office he is going to be late because he just landed on a boat with a good looking woman. It is all context.
#7
Posted 19 November 2012 - 09:18 PM
Bond snuck into her shower no tthe other way around.The producers are no longer interested in Bond being interested in women. Instead Bond can have sex with a woman only if the woman initates the sexual relationship. In fact, the Craig-Bond has been made a eunich.
#8
Posted 19 November 2012 - 10:10 PM
Not at all offended. Just completely in disagreement with.You seemed to be offended by my opinion.
By ‘formalistic’, do you mean ‘according to formula’? Or, in other words, ‘traditional’? In any case, your original complaint was that Craig’s Bond “doesn’t like women”. That he isn’t the sexual aggressor, but rather, that he is a passive participant, waiting for women to approach him. A claim that is utter poppycock as I pointed out.The Craig-Bond sex scenes are not in the tradition of the Fleming-Bond or the even the movie-Bond. They seemed to be to contrived and formalistic.
I think it’s safe to say he’s passing the time with one of his preferred vices. All according to character tradition.We do not know any context to why he is screwing the island girl
When did she indicate this? What she indicated for certain is that she dared to hold out a sliver of hope that Bond would be able to free her from her captor. She expected Bond to be dead, more likely than not. Bond follows her trail to meet her captor. In the meantime… he easily seduces her. There are dozens of examples of a similar situation in previous Bond films.The sex scene with Severine lacks any relevance to the story nor to the characters. My impression of the scene was that Bond only pursued her sexually because she indicated she wanted sex
What?It is not like the days of yore where Dalton-Bond lands on the boat and tells the office he is going to be late because he just landed on a boat with a good looking woman. It is all context.
Say he is sleeping with the beach house girl “as rent for his diggs”, as you suggest. Do you want this to be explicitly stated in the film for the sake of richer context? If so, how would this be more like the ‘days of yore’?
What on earth is your point?
#9
Posted 20 November 2012 - 07:32 AM
You seemed to be offended by my opinion. The Craig-Bond sex scenes are not in the tradition of the Fleming-Bond or the even the movie-Bond. They seemed to be to contrived and formalistic.
How is legitimate relationships with women like Vesper "contrived and formalistic"?? And its a good thing none of the other conquests in the older films were at all "contrived and formalistic"...
You people complain when he has legitimate relationships because its not formula and Bond should just be getting a leg over for the hell of it and you complain when he does get a leg over for the hell of it because its "contrived and formalistic". You've just managed to do both. You're complaining that sex with Severine wasnt relevant to the story and that "we dont know why hes screwing the island girl" (I can think of a few good reasons) and you're complaining that you long for "the days of yore" when Bond landed on a boat and had it off with an attractive woman he found on it. So which is it?
And how does Bond only get it on if the woman initiates it? Solange? Nope. That was Bond. Vesper? Nope. Fields? Definitely not. Severine? Nope. So who? I can think of plenty of Bond girls who initiated it with Bond in the older films though. Were they all eunuchs?
Edited by jamie00007, 20 November 2012 - 07:37 AM.
#10
Posted 20 November 2012 - 08:16 AM
The producers are no longer interested in Bond being interested in women. Instead Bond can have sex with a woman only if the woman initates the sexual relationship. In fact, the Craig-Bond has been made a eunich.
In fact, it's spelt "eunuch".
#11
Posted 20 November 2012 - 06:30 PM
"Craig is a good-looking man, but it seems he’s lost his mojo as Bond in recent years. He looks tired, distraught and non-sexual at all. For a few minutes, he appeared to me to have ‘Mommy Issues’, and would be constantly drifting towards M for words of comfort. It was disturbing to see 007 act this way."
what she said about Severine
"I find her very attractive, but in this movie she seemed dull and boring — and bored!
Christ, I found Adele’s singing voice more exciting and interesting than Severine’s character"
#12
Posted 20 November 2012 - 06:42 PM
Excellent points! I think I understand what we're dealing with now.This what a female friend said about Craig-Bond:
"Craig is a good-looking man, but it seems he’s lost his mojo as Bond in recent years. He looks tired, distraught and non-sexual at all. For a few minutes, he appeared to me to have ‘Mommy Issues’, and would be constantly drifting towards M for words of comfort. It was disturbing to see 007 act this way."
what she said about Severine
"I find her very attractive, but in this movie she seemed dull and boring — and bored!
Christ, I found Adele’s singing voice more exciting and interesting than Severine’s character"
Ok, all done, bye-bye.
#13
Posted 20 November 2012 - 06:51 PM
Excellent points! I think I understand what we're dealing with now.
This what a female friend said about Craig-Bond:
"Craig is a good-looking man, but it seems he’s lost his mojo as Bond in recent years. He looks tired, distraught and non-sexual at all. For a few minutes, he appeared to me to have ‘Mommy Issues’, and would be constantly drifting towards M for words of comfort. It was disturbing to see 007 act this way."
what she said about Severine
"I find her very attractive, but in this movie she seemed dull and boring — and bored!
Christ, I found Adele’s singing voice more exciting and interesting than Severine’s character"
Ok, all done, bye-bye.
She's a writter, I am not.
#14
Posted 20 November 2012 - 06:53 PM
Excellent points! I think I understand what we're dealing with now.
This what a female friend said about Craig-Bond:
"Craig is a good-looking man, but it seems he’s lost his mojo as Bond in recent years. He looks tired, distraught and non-sexual at all. For a few minutes, he appeared to me to have ‘Mommy Issues’, and would be constantly drifting towards M for words of comfort. It was disturbing to see 007 act this way."
what she said about Severine
"I find her very attractive, but in this movie she seemed dull and boring — and bored!
Christ, I found Adele’s singing voice more exciting and interesting than Severine’s character"
Ok, all done, bye-bye.
She's a writter, I am not.
Obviously...
#15
Posted 20 November 2012 - 08:12 PM
Excellent points! I think I understand what we're dealing with now.
This what a female friend said about Craig-Bond:
"Craig is a good-looking man, but it seems he’s lost his mojo as Bond in recent years. He looks tired, distraught and non-sexual at all. For a few minutes, he appeared to me to have ‘Mommy Issues’, and would be constantly drifting towards M for words of comfort. It was disturbing to see 007 act this way."
what she said about Severine
"I find her very attractive, but in this movie she seemed dull and boring — and bored!
Christ, I found Adele’s singing voice more exciting and interesting than Severine’s character"
Ok, all done, bye-bye.
She's a writter, I am not.
Obviously...
Whatever.
#16
Posted 24 November 2012 - 08:48 AM
#17
Posted 26 November 2012 - 10:38 PM
#18
Posted 26 November 2012 - 10:43 PM
I'm so glad in this one there were women, but we didn't have one paired up as Bond's "partner" like in moost of them. tired of that.
I'd like to second that, as the women in some of the Bond films just seem like tag-alongs. They should be there to foil or complement the Bond character, not become his sidekick...
Edited by Trevelyan 006, 26 November 2012 - 10:44 PM.
#19
Posted 27 November 2012 - 12:40 AM
This what a female friend said about Craig-Bond:
"Craig is a good-looking man, but it seems he’s lost his mojo as Bond in recent years. He looks tired, distraught and non-sexual at all. For a few minutes, he appeared to me to have ‘Mommy Issues’, and would be constantly drifting towards M for words of comfort. It was disturbing to see 007 act this way."
what she said about Severine
"I find her very attractive, but in this movie she seemed dull and boring — and bored!
Christ, I found Adele’s singing voice more exciting and interesting than Severine’s character"
I'm failing to see the point here. So a female friend of yours has an opinion. Everyone does, if I remember correctly. Is hers supposed to be more valid than others?
Edited by JimmyBond, 27 November 2012 - 12:40 AM.