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[Elvenstar]

i still like QOS
& never hated it to begin with so i guess the answer is 'No, havent changed a thing'

[Onyx2626]

QOS at least felt like a Bond film, if an abbreviated one.

I just saw SF and was disappointed. Not DAD disappointed, not like that.

The acting was fine though, and I like John Logan because of his script for The Aviator. (I have OCD)

But the pacing - it took too long to get off the ground (no hearings in Bond movies anymore, okay?)

- and the Home Alone part was too ordinary: Montage of good guys preparing for battle...no. This is not Straw Dogs.

The shots of Scotland were wonderful. Got to see London too, jolly good. However...

I missed the escapism. The Fleming part: Bond goes after villian. Not villian comes for Bond.

007 waits for no one.

But the casting of the new quartermaster was inspired. Someone for the nerd girls out there.

Seriously, I like The French Connection and Silence of the Lambs (I own copies of them), both winners of Best Picture and I thought about both films a little bit too much while watching SF.

[B5Erik]

Did Skyfall change my opinion of Quantum of Solace?

No.

I still HATE all the tight/close up shots and shaky cam. It's hard to follow the car chase because it's mostly shot in close up. You don't get as good a feel for where they are as you could have if it were shot and edited better. And that is a recurring issue throughout the movie. It doesn't look like a Bond movie. You hardly get to see the settings, which has always been one of the signatures of the Bond series - they're almost like travel videos at points so you can see the gorgeous or impressive backdrop where the story takes place.

And the movie needs more time to breathe. It needs another 10 minutes of character development spread throughout the movie (a minute more here, two minutes more there). The movie is a bit sterile and lacks human emotion in that respect.

There are positive points about Quantum of Solace, and I don't agree with those who say it's at the bottom or just above the bottom of the Bond catalog, but it is in my bottom 5.

[PPK_19]

Yes.

It made me realise the gulf in directorial and DoP class between Mendes&Deakins, Forster&Schaefer respectively. QOS looks messier than ever when compared to Skyfall. My opinion after having seen QOS when i left the cinema was "i liked it, but it's not a stand-out Bond film".

Now it's "Wow, Quantum of Solace is a fucking MESS".

[B5Erik]

Yes.

It made me realise the gulf in directorial and DoP class between Mendes&Deakins, Forster&Schaefer respectively. QOS looks messier than ever when compared to Skyfall. My opinion after having seen QOS when i left the cinema was "i liked it, but it's not a stand-out Bond film".

Now it's "Wow, Quantum of Solace is a fucking MESS".

Don't mince words, what do you really think of QOS?

[Satorious]

If Skyfall highlighted only one thing - it was that QOS was a action film. SkyFall is more interested in plot + character development. Casino Royale feels like a balance between the two. Which film I like best out of the Craig era is impossible to decide right now, but I can say my least favourite so far is QOS. Evenso, it has a few nice moments - the writers strike at the time clearly had an impact on it.

[FOX MULDER]

I watched QOS the other night and, to be honest, it doesn't compare favourably to SF.

A villain who wants to control the water supply of Bolivia? OK, maybe it's more plausible than most Bond villains, but still... it's not particularly exciting, or interesting. I just found Greene very dull.

And Camille's "he killed my family now I'm going to kill him" story came off a bit hackneyed and cliched, having been done so many times before.

And then there was the awful camerawork, and the awful title song.

Skyfall blows it out the water.

[Miles Miservy]

SKYFALL didn't change my opinion of QUANTUM OF SOLACE. I find myself to be on the small end of the fulcrum that actually did enjoy that movie. A lot of fans attacked the film from it's release and STILL haven't relented. I thought it was a fine film; an adequate follow-up to CASINO ROYALE without being a carbon copy of it.

All of the films, upon their release, are a cut above the one that immediately preceded it. My earliest memory was seeing TMWTGG with my dad in 2nd grade, I thought that was the coolest; that is until TSWLM came out when I was 11. What a rush... you leave the theater thinking, "No way they're EVER going to top this!" Then MOONRAKER is released. And on and on it goes until we get to this November and here we are... walking out of the theater... thinking, "It's NOT going to get any better." But I have a feeling it will.

What I look for and what I appreciate in a new Bond film (like SKYFALL) is to see what the producers,writers, directors, etc. try to do differently. SKYFALL has certainly raised the bar on that score. There are those movies that stand out over time and then there are those that fall away... just cutouts of other films. YOLT & DAF are interchangeable, as are OP & AVTAK. FYEO is memorable because it went back to Fleming's basics. TWINE's hook was that it was the 1st film to have an beautiful female villain (never been done before) albeit, we do not learn this until the 3rd act. DAD just tries way too hard and forces its way into mediocrity.

As Daniel Craig traverses his tenure as OO7, I'm sure the odds will predict that he'll stumble upon the one film he'll wish he hadn't made... but I don't think we're there yet.

Edited by Miles Miservy, 15 November 2012 - 08:28 PM.

[stamper]

Marce Foster is a piece of XXXXXX. XXX.

Edited by stromberg, 16 November 2012 - 12:09 AM.
Use of intolerable language. See you in a week.

[I never miss]

QoS is a decent film sandwiched between two 5 star Bond films. I would happily watch QoS over several other in the series. I don't ever think it'll be considered a classic though. There's just not enough there to admire.

[Vauxhall]

QoS is a decent film sandwiched between two 5 star Bond films. I would happily watch QoS over several other in the series. I don't ever think it'll be considered a classic though. There's just not enough there to admire.

Nicely put. I'd go along with that.

[glidrose]

QOS had shaky cam? Really? I guess I missed it.

[Iceskater101]

QoS is a decent film sandwiched between two 5 star Bond films. I would happily watch QoS over several other in the series. I don't ever think it'll be considered a classic though. There's just not enough there to admire.

Nicely put. Quantum of Solace was okay, but it isn't on the level that Skyfall and Casino Royale are.

[00 Brosnan]

Eh, not really. I pretty much judge the movies for what they are, individually. Quantum of Solace isn't a bad action movie, it's just not a very good Bond film. It only ranks higher than <i>DAF</i> and <i>AVTAK</i> for me and that's mainly just because of how goofy those two films are.

Whereas Casino Royale and SkyFall I find for all intents and purposes, brilliant in terms of Bond films.

[roger no more]

Why we need to change it??Why we cannot think its a worst Bond??I think only the scriptwriter of it will care about....aren't you???......

[Aisforauric]

The elegance and dignity of Skyfall is, in my mind, simply the final nail in the short, stubby coffin known as QOS. It's not that I was disappointed in everything about QOS, just the last 101 minutes.....

[Matt_13]

QoS is a decent film sandwiched between two 5 star Bond films. I would happily watch QoS over several other in the series. I don't ever think it'll be considered a classic though. There's just not enough there to admire.

Nicely put. I'd go along with that.

Indeed.

My feelings about Quantum have definitely declined a bit after seeing Skyfall, though by no fault of its own. It really is hard to judge a film that was rushed into production without a finished script, and even more difficult to compare it two films that were molded over the course of several years. If it's weaker than Craig's other entries, it's by no fault of the filmmakers or the producers. They cranked out a halfway decent product during a volatile time in the industry, managed to provide adequate closure to the previous film's events, and did it with the same amount of energy and passion that they put in to the rest of the films they've worked on, which is an achievement in and of itself. It worked as well as it ever could have, and we're lucky we're even be able to discuss it. All the same, it is still an inferior work that is over-edited, lacks any sense of scope or stakes, fails to thrill despite the plethora of action sequences, and ultimately comes across as a quick cash in, instead of the emotional and psychological action thriller it so desperately aspires to be. I still enjoy it for what it is, but I've found it increasingly difficult to work up the will to sit through it. When I think of Casino Royale, I think of the encounter with Dryden, the parkour sequence, the train ride, the dinner jacket sequence, the poker game, and "the line." When I think of Skyfall, I think of the London sequence, Tennyson, the DB5, Istanbul, the silhouette fight, and the lodge showdown. With Quantum, I can really only think of its weak points, from that momentum killing scene on the docks in Haiti, to the CGI parachute leap, to the uninspired party in South America that doesn't really seem to belong. Make no mistake, I adore the PTS and the Sienna chase, and even find myself engaged with the shootout at the end, but when it comes to evoking atmosphere and class, it simply doesn't have what it takes. Quantum of Solace is not a failure, it just isn't a film that provides enough for its fan base to enjoy.

[Dustin]

I watched the two Craig flicks in the build-up to SKYFALL. QUANTUM didn't come off that well. Seeing SKYFALL sure didn't make me think too much better of it.

It barely qualifies as a Bond film, in fact.

QUANTUM OF SOLACE is ashamed to be a Bond movie.

Not at all. QOS was the best they could come up with under the circumstances. If only MGM had gone down the drain two years earlier...

[Judo chop]

I watched the two Craig flicks in the build-up to SKYFALL. QUANTUM didn't come off that well. Seeing SKYFALL sure didn't make me think too much better of it.

It barely qualifies as a Bond film, in fact.

QUANTUM OF SOLACE is ashamed to be a Bond movie.

Not at all. QOS was the best they could come up with under the circumstances. If only MGM had gone down the drain two years earlier...

Having tried your best never makes something better than what it is. I'll bet that many out there could have done better and many would have done worse. But, to your point, I can’t help feeling a little sorry for QOS given the circumstances under which it was written. There is a definite temptation to give it a slight handicap.

Anyway… I don’t think differently of QOS as a result of seeing SKYFALL. I'll probably think differently of SKYFALL after seeing SKYFALL again.

[Dustin]

I watched the two Craig flicks in the build-up to SKYFALL. QUANTUM didn't come off that well. Seeing SKYFALL sure didn't make me think too much better of it.

It barely qualifies as a Bond film, in fact.

QUANTUM OF SOLACE is ashamed to be a Bond movie.

Not at all. QOS was the best they could come up with under the circumstances. If only MGM had gone down the drain two years earlier...

Having tried your best never makes something better than what it is. I'll bet that many out there could have done better and many would have done worse. But, to your point, I can’t help feeling a little sorry for QOS given the circumstances under which it was written. There is a definite temptation to give it a slight handicap.

LOL! Perhaps even a little more than slight...

[tdalton]

Seeing Skyfall has definitely changed my opinion of Quantum of Solace. I really liked Quantum of Solace to begin with, but seeing Skyfall has made me appreciate it even more.

[The Shark]

I hated CASINO ROYALE and QUANTUM OF SOLACE beforehand, but SKYFALL further lowered my opinion of them. The best Bond film in 25 years.

[QuantumOfRoyale]

I hated CASINO ROYALE and QUANTUM OF SOLACE beforehand, but SKYFALL further lowered my opinion of them. The best Bond film in 25 years.

Interesting, as I thought that Skyfall was very much similar to Casino Royale in many of its best aspects.

[The Shark]

I hated CASINO ROYALE and QUANTUM OF SOLACE beforehand, but SKYFALL further lowered my opinion of them. The best Bond film in 25 years.

Interesting, as I thought that Skyfall was very much similar to Casino Royale in many of its best aspects.

I can't see it.