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[QOS4EVER]

I guess the majority will already know that I wasn't to happy with Skyfall, so much so that I found my self lying on the couch staring at the ceeling thinking to my self 'this is what I waited four years for'
Believe me throughout the entirety of the movie I was continusualy laughing. The jokes are extremely hilarious and are present throughout the movie.I dont want to spoil too much.but it was also a drama focused movie.

The action is pretty much non existant and the intensity it packs is nothing compared to what QOS or CR did.They should have greatly learned from CR, a movie with not so much action but when it hits it hits hard and the drama and the action were beautifully incorporated together with Bond getting roughed up fighting and falling through flights of stairs but still trying to protect vesper from a Machete wielding Macho.Over here we have the patrice fight, which was not at all intense but infact looked like a shadow dance
Here see for yourselves:

this video from 0:16 to0:22.see how low on intensity it is

as compared to


My Question is this as Bond fans we should pride ourselves in our taste,this is a great movie to laugh at but is this what we really want ?
I mean, look what just happened EON just converted an action thriller to a comedy drama film.Good for EON ,they get to keep the Bond name,skimp on the action,lower their budgets.
This movie doesen't feel grand like how a Bond movie normally feels.It doesen't feel sophisticated or classy.Javier Bardem was not threatning in any sense of the word,from his very first appearence he starts making these funny expressions and funny dialogues with Bond.The movie is a good comedy drama movie but not a Bond movie.

I cannot wait for american member like The Dove,x007aceofshades, jimmyBond to watch this film and to hear they're take on the movie as I am curious if they will feel simillarly when they see the tone of the movie and how Craig's Bond suddenly became a badly groomed,funny man who is out of touch with technology when he was quite the opposite in the previous movies.

My question is ,Is this what we really want ? will this be the future of Bond movies-an average comedy movie?
So will this be the direction it will mostly continue to take ?

I am anxiously waiting for The dove, x007aceofshades and jimmyBond's take on this.

Edited by Jim, 27 October 2012 - 05:24 PM.
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[Tony_OO_Black]

Have you ever seen any Bond movie before Casino Royale?

I'm not being facetious, that's a genuine question. Because Skyfall was more in the spirit of what James Bond always has been than either CR or Quantum of Solace (bear in mind I love CR, but it's a different beast).

Skyfall is, personally, everything I wanted and more.

[The Shark]

There were no films made before 2006.

FACT.

[QOS4EVER]

Yes, Yes I have watched all of them multiple times,I dont see your point
None of the previous ones were like this outright hilarious and strongly focused on drama. They were more focused on the suave nature of Bond and his meglomaniac villains.

[SecretAgentFan]

And, quite frankly, "the action is pretty much non existent?"

C´mon, SKYFALL has lots of fantastic action sequences. And one of the reasons I prefer them to those in QOS is this: they feel realistic. They don´t go on and on and on. And despite of their typical Bondian grandesse they don´t appear to be completely nuts.

And "it doesn´t feel sophisticated or classy"?

If SKYFALL is not sophisticated or classy then we both should check the meaning of these words at once.

And Bardem "was not threatening in any sense"?

He is absolutely threatening, creepy and tragic - a malicious, unpredictable force who could easily kill anybody if he wanted to.


We obviously saw two different films, mate.

Edited by SecretAgentFan, 27 October 2012 - 05:31 PM.

[QOS4EVER]

SAF, its extremely less and its not violent.A bunch of Kids fighting on a playground is a better action sequence then the shadow dance.

[DR76]

Have you ever seen any Bond movie before Casino Royale?

I'm not being facetious, that's a genuine question. Because Skyfall was more in the spirit of what James Bond always has been than either CR or Quantum of Solace (bear in mind I love CR, but it's a different beast).

Is that what SKYFALL is supposed to be? A return to the "old Bond" from the Connery/Moore/Brosnan movies? Because that is not what I want. I want the series to move "FORWARD", not backward.

[Major Tallon]

I'm an American member who saw the movie at the Albert Hall on Tuesday night. Will I do?

Now, I'll grant you, I'm an old fud, who started watching movies (and Bond movies) before they were action fests. I made it through the years when Bond movies truly were more comedies than thrillers. I saw a dozen entries in the series that bore little relationship to the character that made me a fan. I saw a couple of entries that were embarrassing to attend with fans of that Fleming fellow.

As I watched "Skyfall," I couldn't help feeling that it wasn't quite up to the level I'd expected, and I asked myself if I wasn't being unfair to what is, unquestionably in my view, a very good movie. I asked myself whether, if this were an adaptation of an Ian Fleming novel, rather than a continuation story, I'd be euphoric with what I was seeing. My take, as I've stated elsewhere, is that "Skyfall" isn't as good as "Casino Royale," but I think it's unfair to call it a "comedy drama." There are some laughs, but they don't predominate. They certainly don't change the tone of what is a dramatic telling of an espionage adventure. I haven't decided on a final rating yet. That'll take another viewing, and you can bet that I'll be seeing it at least a couple of more times beyond that.

As for tone, content, and craftsmanship, however, I can easily answer the question you've posed. Is this what we really want?

Yes, please.

[EyesOnly]

First people complain there is too much action (QOS), now there isn't enough action. I'm from the states so I haven't seen it yet, but I'd rather have a thriller with fewer action scenes that fit into the narrative. Sounds like we got that in Skyfall.

[QOS4EVER]

I made it through the years when Bond movies truly were more comedies than thrillers

Bond movies were never comedies more than thrillers, name a single Bond movie that were filled with as much jokes as this, there are none.

First people complain there is too much action (QOS), now there isn't enough action. I'm from the states so I haven't seen it yet, but I'd rather have a thriller with fewer action scenes that fit into the narrative. Sounds like we got that in Skyfall.

Personally , I like more action
But for a Bond movie that pleases everyone I feel Casino Royale is the best since the action was more than Skyfall and eventhough a lot complained it was less, every second of it was intense and strong.

[SecretAgentFan]

I made it through the years when Bond movies truly were more comedies than thrillers

Bond movies were never comedies more than thrillers, name a single Bond movie that were filled with as much jokes as this, there are none.

Apart from DAF, LALD, TMWTGG, TSWLM, MR, FYEO, OP, AVTAK, TLD, GE, TND, TWINE and DAD?

[QOS4EVER]

And Bardem "was not threatening in any sense"?

He is absolutely threatening, creepy and tragic

Mate,
tragic- yes
threating - not by any sense of the word
How can you take him seriously when from his very first scene he makes such jokes, and when he comes to destroy he has music playing.

[thecasinoroyale]

I really enjoyed 'Skyfall' more than I thought because the action sequences were handled more realistic, more threatening and not drawn out.

I believed this man, James Bond, was a secret agent and not a one-man army. Yeah, he can handle weapons and combat, but he uses his brains and cunning also.

The early Connery and Moore films had this element also, keeping the "secret agent" thriller and suspense genre going until they started to turn into spy-action films, which were fine for the time and worked very well.

But as we saw with 2002's 'Die Another Day', something went wrong with the invincible, non-threatening, loud and proud action where you knew how it would turn out in the end.

'Skyfall' delivers the classic feel of espionage on a grander scale, but handles all that action so well I was excited at the right places and kept in suspense also!

[QOS4EVER]

I made it through the years when Bond movies truly were more comedies than thrillers

Bond movies were never comedies more than thrillers, name a single Bond movie that were filled with as much jokes as this, there are none.

Apart from DAF, LALD, TMWTGG, TSWLM, MR, FYEO, OP, AVTAK, TLD, GE, TND, TWINE and DAD?

mate,
none of what you mentioned packed as much comedy as this one.Any one who's a Bond enthusiast would know that. There's already a topic going on about how this is the most hillarious bond film till date.

I really enjoyed 'Skyfall' more than I thought because the action sequences were handled more realistic, more threatening and not drawn out.

I believed this man, James Bond, was a secret agent and not a one-man army

In the pre-craig eras Bond was more of a lucky man conviniently missing every shot at him.

(Added by JimmyBond): If you saw a paragraph here just a second ago that you didn't write, that was my fault. I was trying to edit my post and actually edited yours, sorry.

Edited by JimmyBond, 27 October 2012 - 05:58 PM.

[JimmyBond]

I am anxiously waiting for The dove, x007aceofshades and jimmyBond's take on this.

Flattery will get you everywhere.

And one of the reasons I prefer them to those in QOS is this: they feel realistic. They don´t go on and on and on. And despite of their typical Bondian grandesse they don´t appear to be completely nuts.

Can't comment on Skyfall for obvious reasons, but I love the action sequences in Quantum of Solace. I never get the sense that they go on and on, to me they last as long as they need to. If we want to talk about action scenes that go on and on I could present you with the African Rundown in Casino Royale. A sequence that I'm still on the fence about, on one hand it's technically proficient but on the other hand it just feels too over the top, I actually prefer the Sienna rooftop chase to it.

As a comment to the general tone of your thread (your opinions on Skyfall, in other words), I'm actually seeing a bit of this crop up around the net. There are a faction of people who feel that Skyfall is at odds with the tone of Craig's first two films. It certainly feels like a valid concern, and one that will certainly be on my mind when I go into the theater in 13 days.

Edited by JimmyBond, 27 October 2012 - 05:59 PM.

[AgenttiNollaNollaSeitsemän]

none of what you mentioned packed as much comedy as this one.Any one who's a Bond enthusiast would know that. There's already a topic going on about how this is the most hillarious bond film till date.

Absolute nonsense.
Skyfall has bits of humour but it is nowhere near the Carry Onesque entries of Moore and Brozza days.

[QOS4EVER]

none of what you mentioned packed as much comedy as this one.Any one who's a Bond enthusiast would know that. There's already a topic going on about how this is the most hillarious bond film till date.

Absolute nonsense.

Sorry mate,
But thats my opinion of what you just said.Anyone who watched Skyfall and is having an ubiased view would say the same ,
The thread about how this is the most hilarious movie in Bond's history only prooves my point

[AgenttiNollaNollaSeitsemän]

So everyone who says that Skyfall isn't a comedy drama has skewed viewpoint and do not understand or know anything about Bond? So, in other words, you're a troll?
You absolutely have your right to your opinion, but do not have illusions it is the only true one, or that majority of the Bond audience would agree with you.

Edited by AgenttiNollaNollaSeitsemän, 27 October 2012 - 06:10 PM.

[Pussfeller]

I doubt if anyone here has watched Skyfall with an unbiased mind.

[Jim]

Thread seems intended only to cause antagonism. There are more meaningful pursuits.

[JimmyBond]

none of what you mentioned packed as much comedy as this one.Any one who's a Bond enthusiast would know that. There's already a topic going on about how this is the most hillarious bond film till date.

Absolute nonsense.

Sorry mate,
But thats my opinion of what you just said.Anyone who watched Skyfall and is having an ubiased view would say the same ,
The thread about how this is the most hilarious movie in Bond's history only prooves my point

Careful careful. Your thread is a good one, and I'm sure it will enjoy lots of friendly debate, so let's keep it friendly. There are other ways to disagree with someone. We all have our own opinions. Like you, I really enjoy Quantum of Solace, and I know not many people share that opinion, but I've never once attacked anyone for disagreeing with me about it.