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[Trippy13]

I am completely and utterly intrigued by this man, and the motives behind him. Why does he want revenge? How did M betray him? Was he 'One of them'? What is the connection between M, Bond and Silva?

[QOS4EVER]

The only thing we know so far I guess is Javier Bardem , saying in an interview "Silva was betrayed and He has been suffering, so he wants some revenge"

[thecasinoroyale]

I think this will be one of the best reveals through the film as we find out who he is and what his motives are.

Thanks to current TV spots (unless it's VERY crafty juxtapositioning of dialogue and footage), we hear M say that whoever attacked MI6 knew them, and is "one of us", with an image of Silva being played.

This gives the notion he's either a former MI6 agent, or something more to M (bodyguard/aide?), who has been betrayed or been witness to a big cover-up or "betrayal" of him/colleagues/services by MI6 and as he has suffered in some way, he is now back for revenge, or justice, as we see the words "Think On Your Sins" during the trailer, which indicates it's actually directed at M and her past motives.

Either way, quite exciting to see what the 23rd villain has in store!

[SkyfallCraig]

We say, in Italy, "three clues make an evidence". For now, I think we have two clues of an absolutely strange theory. Silva says "Mamy was very bad" and it could be only a joke about M, but then we know that there is

Spoiler

a song in the soundtrack called "Mother"

(it's in spoiler for the ones that don't want information about the soundtrack). Now, I'm not saying M is silva's mother, but it could explain a lot.

[Vauxhall]

I've suspected for a while that Silva is a former MI6 agent/asset, who M sacrificed for the good of a mission - similar to what happens to Bond at the start of SKYFALL.

I guess the other key line from what we've seen so far is "The two survivors; this is what she made us". That suggests Silva is aware of a prior link to Bond, although we'll have to see what that entails.

I definitely don't expect M to actually be any character's mother. I think both mentions are references to the fact M is something of a maternal figure to newly recruited agents, particularly Bond.

[Shrublands]

I suspect that what M has done is far worse than sacrifice Silva for the good of a mission.
I feel there will be a moment in Skyfall where the audience find's out what she has done and thinks, "Well, I can hardly blame him for being angry."

I think the most important clue is the headline "Assassinated?" and the pictures of M with that man that we briefly see on her computers in the trailer.

[QOS4EVER]

I definitely don't expect M to actually be any character's mother. I think both mentions are references to the fact M is something of a maternal figure to newly recruited agents, particularly Bond.

What was M's relation with Elektra in The World is not enough ?

[thecasinoroyale]

In 'TWINE', M was good childhood friends with Sir Robert, Elektra's father, so her relationship with her not so much maternal, as something as someone trying to look out for her after her father was 'killed', but she was acting out of his best interests with regards to the ransom.

It's only Bond she has that maternal vibe with, keeping him in check but knowing he can be trusted, like that line with Bond and Camille in 'QOS':

C: "Your mother?"
B: "She likes to think so."

[QOS4EVER]

In 'TWINE', M was good childhood friends with Sir Robert, Elektra's father, so her relationship with her not so much maternal, as something as someone trying to look out for her after her father was 'killed', but she was acting out of his best interests with regards to the ransom.

It's only Bond she has that maternal vibe with, keeping him in check but knowing he can be trusted, like that line with Bond and Camille in 'QOS':

C: "Your mother?"
B: "She likes to think so."

OK , thanks and yes I remmember that dialogue from QOS

[thecasinoroyale]

I suppose no matter what we think or feel regarding M and her position, all will become clear in a matter of days...!

[Shrublands]

In 'TWINE', M was good childhood friends with Sir Robert, Elektra's father,

M and Robert King were at Oxford together, not childhood friends.

[x007AceOfSpades]

I suppose no matter what we think or feel regarding M and her position, all will become clear in a matter of days...!

Two weeks for you... Four weeks for me and everyone in the states...

Anyways, I'm thinking either an agent for MI:6 or at least an ally to the agency.

[thecasinoroyale]

In 'TWINE', M was good childhood friends with Sir Robert, Elektra's father,

M and Robert King were at Oxford together, not childhood friends.

Sorry Shrublands, that's what I meant - I was being lazy and assumed maybe young adults rather than childhood friends, wrong wording!

[Trippy13]

I suppose no matter what we think or feel regarding M and her position, all will become clear in a matter of days...!

Two weeks for you... Four weeks for me and everyone in the states...

Anyways, I'm thinking either an agent for MI:6 or at least an ally to the agency.

I have to wait until 22nd of November until I can embrace Skyfall!! Already have my tickets booked though

[x007AceOfSpades]

That reminds me, I need to buy my tickets for IMAX this weekend while I'm at the theater still.

[Cabarita Island]

I think Bonds psych evaluation in the teaser trailer is quite revealing. I would also agree with the theory that Silva was a clandestine operative under M's control and perhaps who nobody else in the service was aware of. He was possibly cut adrift after an operation or assasination and is intent on revenge. Perhaps only Bond has some knowledge of this operation because of his reaction to the Skyfall question in the evaluation.
M knows who is behind the attack on MI6 but trys to conceal it from Mallory because it could jeopardise her own position. This is hinted at as Mallory looks accross at M during Bonds evaluation.
How wrong is M's wrong doing and how will Bond deal with it and how does that get resolved. That's the bit I'm intrigued by.
If they dont come clean with Mallory it also sets up some possible tensions in Bonds future relationship with Mallory.

[Walecs]

Spoiler

I don't know.

[Guy Haines]

Silva must have an absolutely king sized grudge against MI6 in general and M in particular to cause the kind of mayhem we seem to be in for in SF. And he is, we have already learnt, a computer genius. Could he be a "cyber-cold-warrior" who worked for MI6 and was sacrificed by M to keep under wraps any British involvement in cyber-warfare? (Remember, for years nations denied they even had intelligence services, let alone what they got up to.)

Or is there a personal angle? I'm not sold on the idea of him being related to M in some way, but supposing M was responsible for some personal tragedy in his life. (A family member or members inadvertently killed during an intelligence operation, for example.)

All along less has been revealed about Raoul Silva than many previous Bond villains prior to release of the film. Well, two weeks today we Brits at least will know why Silva is doing what he's doing.

[DamnCoffee]

We genuinely do admire your intel, 'gerard', but would it be possible if you could place all of this in a spoiler tag? Just incase.

[S K Y F A L L]

Perhaps what M does to Silva is how he got his psychical disability. A few reviews have compared Silva to the Joker and Hannibal Lecktor and I'm wonder if perhaps his psychical disability is something hidden under his skin.

[Pussfeller]

Reviews have used the word "deformity". That definitely implies something physical.

[sharpshooter]

Perhaps what M does to Silva is how he got his psychical disability.

This is possible. I was looking in the Bardem thread, and users were discussing the possibility

Spoiler

Silva had his teeth pulled out during a torture.

Spoiler

he is an ex MI6 agent
he worked with M years ago
he is now unhinged by a perceived betrayal
and wants to destroy MI6 ann M herself

I think it will probably be as simple as this, but explored in an interesting way. Silva questioning Bond, drawing parallels and such.

[univex]

Yes, I suggested the teeth because in one review someone (can´t remember who) said he had a weird dentistry, whatever that means.

[Trippy13]

Yes, I suggested the teeth because in one review someone (can´t remember who) said he had a weird dentistry, whatever that means.

His favourite villain is 'Jaws' after all!!

[Pussfeller]

Perhaps he is the practitioner, not the victim, of "dodgy dentistry".

[The Shark]

Like Larry Olivier in MARATHON MAN?

[The Shark]

oh my god

i wish they would remake MARATHON MAN

with anthony hopkins

Erm, why?

[JCRendle]

Just because they have remade almost every horror from the 80s, doesn't mean they should have remade them. I don't want any of the old Bond films remade, even the poor ones. The closest to a remake I would like is where they used the name of one of Fleming's books but completely changed the story - if they made a closer version that would be ok. A remake with the same plot is completely pointless and a cheap way of making money.

Same applies to the thrillers you listed there.

[AgenttiNollaNollaSeitsemän]

Marathon Man (or almost any other classic film) should not be remade. Current remakes are nothing but shining examples of the tinseltown being devoid of artists and being filled with pencilpushing CEO's. But I digress.

Edited by AgenttiNollaNollaSeitsemän, 14 October 2012 - 06:30 PM.

[JCRendle]

Gerard 123, the ranks above our avatars aren't our usernames. They denote how many times we have posted on the forum.

This used to be the ranking system, but not sure if it's changed over the past couple of years:

Recruit: 0-4 posts
Cadet: 5-19 posts
Midshipman: 20-99 posts
Sub-Lieutenant: 100-499 posts
Lieutenant: 500-999 posts
Lt. Commander: 1,000-2,999 posts
Commander: 3,000+ posts

It gets confusing if you refer to people by their rank, as there are usually several posters with the same rank on one thread.