ODG or the SOE?
Posted 08 August 2011 - 07:48 PM
I realize the need to a shadowy operation to have some kind of official cover, but perhaps it's just me...perhaps re imagining the SOE might have added alittle weight to the novel as a whole.
Anyone care to counter?
Posted 09 August 2011 - 05:30 AM
I do appreciate that this is all make believe and I feel slightly soiled now. But then I am getting old. Getting up twice nightly used to mean something else.
Posted 09 August 2011 - 10:47 AM
Today the basic situation is fundamentally different from 1940, with SIS and MI5 firmly in place as well as SBS and SAS for military and counter-terrorism operations. Yet Deaver invents not only the ODG but also the Division Three as a counterpart, adding two more organizations to the merry circle. Their purpose - despite the unnecessary glossary - remains mysterious. The explanation given in said glossary indicates 'to investigate and neutralise threats' (Division Three) or 'identify and eliminate threats' (ODG); the ODG even by use of 'extraordinary means'. Impressive, undoubtely. But also quite superfluous, given that this is what MI5, SIS and perhaps the Yard (provided they aren't too busy with getting cuddly with the Murdoch minions) are paid to do, during working hours at least.
But as a matter of fact I'm not at all concerned about adding - fictionally - two more clueless beaurocrat rat races to the existing ones; I like watching my taxes work, even if it's only in a book. What bothers me here is the unvarnished and nearly documentary way in which Carte Blanche makes fun of the 'two 'n' eight' shape of things in Britain in 2011. While the ODG is supposed to be a front for the less respectable customs of the secret and security services it's nothing less but shocking that the South African police officer not only knows about the ODG's purpose - probably read it in News of the World - but also about Bond's 00-number and the meaning of this little device; doubtlessly from the many films and books breaking that secret to the public.
No, it's really beyond me why anybody would want to go to all this trouble with another, newer, better and more deadly Black Ops organisation when it's practically as much of a secret as the date. It's sloppy writing and should have been edited or cut altogether. The same goes for the entire ODG/Division Three outfit, there seems to be an enormous number of people involved, with surveillance and high-end technical support and mobile raid forces and whatnot. So where is the reason to keep this within supposed 'black ops' groups when most of it involves the entire security apparatus? Is this supposed to mean MI5, Special Branch and SIS aren't able to keep mum about such operations? If so I probably have to agree, ableit for different reasons. But within Deaver's book it's illogical, all the more so as the ODG is explained as an official government branch, giving Bond's work for this department even less of a cover. Fleming's various fronts for his Secret Service (Omnium Corporation, Universal Exports, Transworld Consortium and so on) strike me as more realistic and workable than the whole ODG mumbo jumbo.
Posted 09 August 2011 - 04:04 PM
Oh and Jim? Way too much info bud.
Posted 09 August 2011 - 04:25 PM
Edited by Dustin, 09 August 2011 - 04:27 PM.
Posted 20 August 2011 - 10:09 PM
Then there's DIECAST, UNITY, HARM, and even Steve Victor's ORGY. Bond needed to stay "Brirish Secret Service" And if the idea was to keep this new ODG out of sight and out of mind, it sure didn't work with the two MoP's telling M to pull Bond out of Cape Town. If it was necessary to change Bond's employer than it should have stayed the Special Operations Executive and the Overseas Development Group could have been the cover name like Universal Exports was in the Fleming novels, sort of like how the CIA supposedly used (uses) the US Agency for International Development for some of it's covers. But I think Bond should have stayed with MI6 (SIS) and the 00 section could have been something created as a strictly black book operation that only M and Tanner knew about.
Edited by Von Hammerstein, 20 August 2011 - 10:32 PM.
Posted 31 October 2011 - 04:23 PM