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[coco1997]

Also, does the either/or choice for director count as its own selection? I was going to point out that since this film is shaping up to be very "FRWL"-esque in tone, we might as well go with Terence Young.

[terminus]

I'd agree with that - it was going to be a field someone could fill in, but if the rest of the group agrees to going in that direction then I'd be happy to do so. You're right, we do seem to be going in a more FRWL direction than a YOLT one.

[SamuelKevlar]

1 Bond - Sean Connery

2 Bond Girl 1 (Main ie Pussy Galore/Kissy): Eartha Kitt as Miss Silhouette - Helga Brandt meets May Day. Miss Silhouette is involved with the villain (possibly his mistress if the villain is a man) but turns traitor at the end of the film to help Bond.
3 Bond Girl 2 (Minor ie Tilly Masterson/Aki):
4 Bond Girl 3 (Background Girl - Dink/Ling):

5 Henchman (a la Oddjob): David Prowse as Viktor Szász, a former Hungarian strongman recruited over the Iron Curtain by Spang to act as muscle and assist in the "care" of Spectreville's patients.

6 Villain 1 (Main - the 'title' villain): Steve McQueen as Jack Spang (doesn't necessarily have to be a smuggler as in the novel, but perhaps a jack-of-all trades for SPECTRE)
7 Villain 2: Angela Lansbury as Marna Krutch (she is a 'facilitator' for SPECTRE - something of a Rosa Klebb meets Irma Bunt type, Eastern European, possibly even former KGB - think of her like a Mr White figure for the Connery Era).

8 M: Bernard Lee
9 Moneypenny: Lois Maxwell
10 Q: Desmond Llewelyn

11 Ally 1: Peter Ustinov as Nicolai Zagrophos -- a Greek gambler who helps Bond battle the villain at the gambling tables

Re: Locations - feel free to use multiple locations within a given country.

12 Pre-Titles Location:
13 Location 1:
14 Location 2: The DDR, particularly East Berlin and even more particularly the Berlin Wall and the Bridge of Spies.
15 Location 3: A "suspicious health clinic" in St. Moritz, Switzerland, that MI6 discovers has a connection to an insane asylum in Poland. Any action in St. Moritz takes palce during the summer months.
16 Location 4: Greece - specifically the coast and a series of islands in the Aegean Sea that are the home/homeland of our villain - perhaps we could use something akin to the castle of Bourtzi (relocated from Nafplio, obviously) in some fashion.
17 Location 5: Warsaw, Poland (more specifically, the fictitious "Spectreville", which could somehow be connected to the insane asylum mentioned in the location description for St. Moritz)

KEY PLOT POINTS

18 Villain's Plot: Jack Spang is attempting to requisition stolen wealth from Switzerland. This wealth once belonged to the House of Romanov, the Tsars of Imperial Russia. The riches were 'liberated' with the establishment of the Soviet Union, and later stolen by the Nazis when Hitler marched on Russia. Spang and SPECTRE have been hired by elements of the Russian ruling elite - who are unhappy with the state of affairs in the USSR - to find the stolen wealth and return it to Russia in an attempt to resurrect the Russian Empire. In exchange, SPECTRE and any member of their fraternity will be given unconditional diplomatic immunity. Spang is attempting to achieve this by posing as a doctor and smuggling the gold over the iron curtain with patients he has declared insane.

19 Pre-Title Sequence Stunt: Bond is captured by SPECTRE henchmen and put in the backseat of his Aston Martin. While driving over a bridge, Bond loosens his restraints and ejects himself and lands in the water. Meanwhile, the DB5 continues on and crashes into a petrol tanker, which sends the car careening over the side of the bridge. Bond narrowly avoids the ensuing explosion and swims to safety.
20 Major Stunt 1:
21 Major Stunt 2:
22 Major Stunt 3:
23 Finale Stunt:

STUFF

24 Bond's Car: Ford Grand Turismo Mark III (Bond would receive this from Q Branch after his Aston Martin DB5 is destroyed in a sequence that will occur early in the film)

25 Gadget 1: A cigarette case filled with small explosives - in the shape of cigarettes.
26 Gadget 2:
27 Gadget 3:

PRODUCTION

28 Director: Terence Young.

29 Music By: John Barry

30 Themetune Sung By: Johnny Cash
31 Themetune Written By: Johnny Cash and John Barry

32 Titles Designed By: Maurice Binder
33 Description of Titles: An abstract journey through Imperial Russian history - a girl emerging from a Fabergé egg covered in jewels, the silhouette of Bond making his way through a snowstorm, red flags covering the screen.

Edited by SamuelKevlar, 17 November 2010 - 11:17 PM.

[terminus]

Oh - that IS interesting. A bit like Connery Does TSWLM.

Plus - this might have been the song that inspired coco1997 to submit Johnny Cash for the themetune: "Thunderball". Depending on whether you believe the reports or not, it was written to be the themetune to Thunderball but dumped at the last minute - it could definitely serve as a template for our themetune.

[Mr. Blofeld]

As a note, I'd like to have Spang introduced like Drax in "Moonraker", complete with requisite Blades sequence; it's never been properly used in the films, and I think it'd be a joy to watch, here.

1 Bond - Sean Connery

2 Bond Girl 1 (Main ie Pussy Galore/Kissy): Eartha Kitt as Miss Silhouette -- Helga Brandt meets May Day. Miss Silhouette is involved with the villain (possibly his mistress if the villain is a man) but turns traitor at the end of the film to help Bond.
3 Bond Girl 2 (Minor ie Tilly Masterson/Aki):
4 Bond Girl 3 (Background Girl - Dink/Ling):

5 Henchman (a la Oddjob): David Prowse as Viktor Szász, a former Hungarian strongman recruited over the Iron Curtain by Spang to act as muscle and assist in the "care" of Spectreville's patients.

6 Villain 1 (Main - the 'title' villain): Steve McQueen as Jack Spang (doesn't necessarily have to be a smuggler as in the novel, but perhaps a jack-of-all trades for SPECTRE)
7 Villain 2: Angela Lansbury as Marna Krutch (she is a 'facilitator' for SPECTRE - something of a Rosa Klebb meets Irma Bunt type, Eastern European, possibly even former KGB - think of her like a Mr White figure for the Connery Era).

8 M: Bernard Lee
9 Moneypenny: Lois Maxwell
10 Q: Desmond Llewelyn

11 Ally 1: Peter Ustinov as Nicolai Zagrophos -- a Greek gambler who helps Bond battle the villain at the gambling tables

Re: Locations - feel free to use multiple locations within a given country.

12 Pre-Titles Location:
13 Location 1:
14 Location 2: The DDR, particularly East Berlin and even more particularly the Berlin Wall and the Bridge of Spies.
15 Location 3: A "suspicious health clinic" in St. Moritz, Switzerland, that MI6 discovers has a connection to an insane asylum in Poland. Any action in St. Moritz takes palce during the summer months.
16 Location 4: Greece - specifically the coast and a series of islands in the Aegean Sea that are the home/homeland of our villain - perhaps we could use something akin to the castle of Bourtzi (relocated from Nafplio, obviously) in some fashion.
17 Location 5: Warsaw, Poland (more specifically, the fictitious "Spectreville", which could somehow be connected to the insane asylum mentioned in the location description for St. Moritz)

KEY PLOT POINTS

18 Villain's Plot: Jack Spang is attempting to requisition stolen wealth from Switzerland. This wealth once belonged to the House of Romanov, the Tsars of Imperial Russia. The riches were 'liberated' with the establishment of the Soviet Union, and later stolen by the Nazis when Hitler marched on Russia. Spang and SPECTRE have been hired by elements of the Russian ruling elite - who are unhappy with the state of affairs in the USSR - to find the stolen wealth and return it to Russia in an attempt to resurrect the Russian Empire. In exchange, SPECTRE and any member of their fraternity will be given unconditional diplomatic immunity. Spang is attempting to achieve this by posing as a doctor and smuggling the gold over the iron curtain with patients he has declared insane.

19 Pre-Title Sequence Stunt: Bond is captured by SPECTRE henchmen and put in the backseat of his Aston Martin. While driving over a bridge, Bond loosens his restraints and ejects himself and lands in the water. Meanwhile, the DB5 continues on and crashes into a petrol tanker, which sends the car careening over the side of the bridge. Bond narrowly avoids the ensuing explosion and swims to safety.
20 Major Stunt 1:
21 Major Stunt 2: After being captured by Spang, sedated, and passed off as a mentally ill patient, Bond groggily comes to, then struggles to break free from his bonds before he is loaded onto Spang's private plane by Viktor Szász; he finally manages to alert the airport officials, who realize the situation, but it's too late -- Szász runs down the loading area and the plane takes off, but Bond is no longer in the villain's clutches.
22 Major Stunt 3:
23 Finale Stunt:

STUFF

24 Bond's Car: Ford Grand Turismo Mark III (Bond would receive this from Q Branch after his Aston Martin DB5 is destroyed in a sequence that will occur early in the film)

25 Gadget 1: A cigarette case filled with small explosives - in the shape of cigarettes.
26 Gadget 2:
27 Gadget 3:

PRODUCTION

28 Director: Terence Young.

29 Music By: John Barry

30 Themetune Sung By: Johnny Cash
31 Themetune Written By: Johnny Cash and John Barry

32 Titles Designed By: Maurice Binder
33 Description of Titles: An abstract journey through Imperial Russian history -- a girl emerging from a Fabergé egg covered in jewels, the silhouette of Bond making his way through a snowstorm, red flags covering the screen.

[terminus]

I could definitely see Spang getting introduced like Drax is in Moonraker.

Maybe we need to swap that stunt to somewhere later in the film - as it seems like a stunt that would come fairly late in the film.

So again - tdalton and CT to submit before the fourth and final round Hopefully they post soon and I can open the fourth round when I get up in the morning.

[coco1997]

I'm wondering if Captain Tightpants has a plan in mind regarding why he specified St. Moritz must be shown in the summer months. I raise the point because Jim had a real cool idea for an action sequence and it would a shame to not use it.

[terminus]

I'm likewise intrigued by his stipulation of the summer timing for the film - and agree that Jim's action sequence does sound interesting. If CT doesn't have anything in mind, and is agreeable, maybe we could move the setting to winter and ask Jim's permission to integrate the action sequence.

[Captain Tightpants]

I specified St, Moritz in the summer months because I didn't want to have a sinister-healt-clinic-in-the-snow, which would have been too much of a throwback to OHMSS.

Although - I'd like to suggest that, instead of Russian, we make Spang Greek (let's call him Angelos Spangopolous - or something similar) and a supporter of the Soviet party in Greece, thus still fitting in with your plot suggestion.

The whole point of the plot is to resurrect the Russian Empire and give SPECTRE diplomatic immunity. You can't get that in Greece. I see no reason why Bond cannot encounter Zagrophos in Russia; after all, he talks about the Russians as gamblers.

[coco1997]

I specified St, Moritz in the summer months because I didn't want to have a sinister-healt-clinic-in-the-snow, which would have been too much of a throwback to OHMSS.

Still, it would be fun if we could find a way to utilize Jim's idea.

[tdalton]

1 Bond - Sean Connery

2 Bond Girl 1 (Main ie Pussy Galore/Kissy): Eartha Kitt as Miss Silhouette -- Helga Brandt meets May Day. Miss Silhouette is involved with the villain (possibly his mistress if the villain is a man) but turns traitor at the end of the film to help Bond.
3 Bond Girl 2 (Minor ie Tilly Masterson/Aki):
4 Bond Girl 3 (Background Girl - Dink/Ling):

5 Henchman (a la Oddjob): David Prowse as Viktor Szász, a former Hungarian strongman recruited over the Iron Curtain by Spang to act as muscle and assist in the "care" of Spectreville's patients.

6 Villain 1 (Main - the 'title' villain): Steve McQueen as Jack Spang (doesn't necessarily have to be a smuggler as in the novel, but perhaps a jack-of-all trades for SPECTRE)
7 Villain 2: Angela Lansbury as Marna Krutch (she is a 'facilitator' for SPECTRE - something of a Rosa Klebb meets Irma Bunt type, Eastern European, possibly even former KGB - think of her like a Mr White figure for the Connery Era).

8 M: Bernard Lee
9 Moneypenny: Lois Maxwell
10 Q: Desmond Llewelyn

11 Ally 1: Peter Ustinov as Nicolai Zagrophos -- a Greek gambler who helps Bond battle the villain at the gambling tables

Re: Locations - feel free to use multiple locations within a given country.

12 Pre-Titles Location:
13 Location 1: Leningrad, USSR
14 Location 2: The DDR, particularly East Berlin and even more particularly the Berlin Wall and the Bridge of Spies.
15 Location 3: A "suspicious health clinic" in St. Moritz, Switzerland, that MI6 discovers has a connection to an insane asylum in Poland. Any action in St. Moritz takes palce during the summer months.
16 Location 4: Greece - specifically the coast and a series of islands in the Aegean Sea that are the home/homeland of our villain - perhaps we could use something akin to the castle of Bourtzi (relocated from Nafplio, obviously) in some fashion.
17 Location 5: Warsaw, Poland (more specifically, the fictitious "Spectreville", which could somehow be connected to the insane asylum mentioned in the location description for St. Moritz)

KEY PLOT POINTS

18 Villain's Plot: Jack Spang is attempting to requisition stolen wealth from Switzerland. This wealth once belonged to the House of Romanov, the Tsars of Imperial Russia. The riches were 'liberated' with the establishment of the Soviet Union, and later stolen by the Nazis when Hitler marched on Russia. Spang and SPECTRE have been hired by elements of the Russian ruling elite - who are unhappy with the state of affairs in the USSR - to find the stolen wealth and return it to Russia in an attempt to resurrect the Russian Empire. In exchange, SPECTRE and any member of their fraternity will be given unconditional diplomatic immunity. Spang is attempting to achieve this by posing as a doctor and smuggling the gold over the iron curtain with patients he has declared insane.

19 Pre-Title Sequence Stunt: Bond is captured by SPECTRE henchmen and put in the backseat of his Aston Martin. While driving over a bridge, Bond loosens his restraints and ejects himself and lands in the water. Meanwhile, the DB5 continues on and crashes into a petrol tanker, which sends the car careening over the side of the bridge. Bond narrowly avoids the ensuing explosion and swims to safety.
20 Major Stunt 1:
21 Major Stunt 2: After being captured by Spang, sedated, and passed off as a mentally ill patient, Bond groggily comes to, then struggles to break free from his bonds before he is loaded onto Spang's private plane by Viktor Szász; he finally manages to alert the airport officials, who realize the situation, but it's too late -- Szász runs down the loading area and the plane takes off, but Bond is no longer in the villain's clutches.
22 Major Stunt 3:
23 Finale Stunt:

STUFF

24 Bond's Car: Ford Grand Turismo Mark III (Bond would receive this from Q Branch after his Aston Martin DB5 is destroyed in a sequence that will occur early in the film)

25 Gadget 1: A cigarette case filled with small explosives - in the shape of cigarettes.
26 Gadget 2:
27 Gadget 3:

PRODUCTION

28 Director: Terence Young.

29 Music By: John Barry

30 Themetune Sung By: Johnny Cash
31 Themetune Written By: Johnny Cash and John Barry

32 Titles Designed By: Maurice Binder
33 Description of Titles: An abstract journey through Imperial Russian history -- a girl emerging from a Fabergé egg covered in jewels, the silhouette of Bond making his way through a snowstorm, red flags covering the screen.

[Captain Tightpants]

After being captured by Spang, sedated, and passed off as a mentally ill patient, Bond groggily comes to, then struggles to break free from his bonds before he is loaded onto Spang's private plane by Viktor Szász; he finally manages to alert the airport officials, who realize the situation, but it's too late -- Szász runs down the loading area and the plane takes off, but Bond is no longer in the villain's clutches.

Why is a Batman character appearing in the film? Sure, you've swapped the S and the Z around, but ... well, it feels like you've ripped off the Batverse.

[terminus]

I specified St, Moritz in the summer months because I didn't want to have a sinister-healt-clinic-in-the-snow, which would have been too much of a throwback to OHMSS.

That much is true - but then again, we're coming after Thunderball which also features a sinister health clinic, albeit in the English countryside during summer.

The whole point of the plot is to resurrect the Russian Empire and give SPECTRE diplomatic immunity. You can't get that in Greece. I see no reason why Bond cannot encounter Zagrophos in Russia; after all, he talks about the Russians as gamblers.

And I don't see why Zographos can't be encountered in Greece - and don't think you can use the fact he mentions Russians as gamblers as an argument to necessarily position him there, or as an argument towards Spang's true heritage.

12 Pre-Titles Location:
13 Location 1: Leningrad, USSR
14 Location 2: The DDR, particularly East Berlin and even more particularly the Berlin Wall and the Bridge of Spies.
15 Location 3: A "suspicious health clinic" in St. Moritz, Switzerland, that MI6 discovers has a connection to an insane asylum in Poland. Any action in St. Moritz takes palce during the summer months.
16 Location 4: Greece - specifically the coast and a series of islands in the Aegean Sea that are the home/homeland of our villain - perhaps we could use something akin to the castle of Bourtzi (relocated from Nafplio, obviously) in some fashion.
17 Location 5: Warsaw, Poland (more specifically, the fictitious "Spectreville", which could somehow be connected to the insane asylum mentioned in the location description for St. Moritz)

This film is getting a bit too bleak, isn't it?

And St. Petersburg (Leningrad) - again?

Why is a Batman character appearing in the film? Sure, you've swapped the S and the Z around, but ... well, it feels like you've ripped off the Batverse.

To defend Mr. Blofeld - the name of Mr Szasz is taken, like the name Zographos, from Fleming's notebook where it is suggested for either a villain or a henchman. So he hasn't ripped off the Batverse - if anything, Fleming did.

Now - if you submit your new choice, we can move onto what is presumably going to be the fourth and final round.

[coco1997]

That much is true - but then again, we're coming after Thunderball which also features a sinister health clinic, albeit in the English countryside during summer.

Also, don't forget that TSWLM and FYEO are just two films apart, but I don't think anyone criticizes FYEO for ripping off TSWLM because they both have ski sequences.

[tdalton]

12 Pre-Titles Location:
13 Location 1: Leningrad, USSR
14 Location 2: The DDR, particularly East Berlin and even more particularly the Berlin Wall and the Bridge of Spies.
15 Location 3: A "suspicious health clinic" in St. Moritz, Switzerland, that MI6 discovers has a connection to an insane asylum in Poland. Any action in St. Moritz takes palce during the summer months.
16 Location 4: Greece - specifically the coast and a series of islands in the Aegean Sea that are the home/homeland of our villain - perhaps we could use something akin to the castle of Bourtzi (relocated from Nafplio, obviously) in some fashion.
17 Location 5: Warsaw, Poland (more specifically, the fictitious "Spectreville", which could somehow be connected to the insane asylum mentioned in the location description for St. Moritz)

This film is getting a bit too bleak, isn't it?

And St. Petersburg (Leningrad) - again?

I don't see it being any more bleak than FRWL, which wasn't set in any particularly glamorous locations either. And as far as the location being used "again", Bond hadn't visited it at this point in the series (Dr. No: Jamaica, FRWL: Turkey, GF: USA, TB: Bahamas), so I'm not sure how it's being used again (I don't count anything that we did in the Craig Era UB treatments, as those are entirely separate from these).

It also makes sense within the context of the story for the film to partially take place there. If "elements of the Russian ruling elite" are trying to work with SPECTRE to get the stolen wealth returned due to their unhappiness with the current state of affairs in the USSR, then it would have to, IMO, take place outside of Moscow, where the Soviet leaders would have an easier time finding out about the plot, which would make Leningrad the next most logical place due to its proximity to the rest of Europe as well as its distance from Moscow (far enough away that those ruling elements unhappy with the way things are going would be able to operate with some degree of distance from the rulers in Moscow while still being close enough to the capital to have some degree of power within the ruling government.

[Mr. Blofeld]

Why is a Batman character appearing in the film? Sure, you've swapped the S and the Z around, but ... well, it feels like you've ripped off the Batverse.

To defend Mr. Blofeld -- the name of Mr Szasz is taken, like the name Zographos, from Fleming's notebook where it is suggested for either a villain or a henchman. So he hasn't ripped off the Batverse -- if anything, Fleming did.

The Batverse character was only created in the early '90s; they ripped off Fleming, not the other way around.

[terminus]

I don't see it being any more bleak than FRWL, which wasn't set in any particularly glamorous locations either. And as far as the location being used "again", Bond hadn't visited it at this point in the series (Dr. No: Jamaica, FRWL: Turkey, GF: USA, TB: Bahamas), so I'm not sure how it's being used again (I don't count anything that we did in the Craig Era UB treatments, as those are entirely separate from these).

It also makes sense within the context of the story for the film to partially take place there. If "elements of the Russian ruling elite" are trying to work with SPECTRE to get the stolen wealth returned due to their unhappiness with the current state of affairs in the USSR, then it would have to, IMO, take place outside of Moscow, where the Soviet leaders would have an easier time finding out about the plot, which would make Leningrad the next most logical place due to its proximity to the rest of Europe as well as its distance from Moscow (far enough away that those ruling elements unhappy with the way things are going would be able to operate with some degree of distance from the rulers in Moscow while still being close enough to the capital to have some degree of power within the ruling government.

I'd say Venice and Istanbul are a shade more exotic than Poland, East Germany and Leningrad. Yes - I was referring to the UB films we've done before. I would've liked a new location to work with.

That said, I'm beginning to get an idea of how all of this is going to hang together. And I'm thinking giving we're using Zographos and Mr Zsasz, we could use the title 'My Enemy's Enemy'.

[coco1997]

I'd say Venice and Istanbul are a shade more exotic than Poland, East Germany and Leningrad. Yes - I was referring to the UB films we've done before. I would've liked a new location to work with.

It is looking a bit bleak, but Russia makes sense given the plot. Would it be possible to slip in a quick stop off in a more warm locale, say Malta or Sardinia, somewhere before the big chunk that occurs in Eastern Europe? Sort of like how Chile was added relatively last minute to "SHATTERHAND" for story purposes.

[terminus]

It's possible - but that was a story necessity, we'll see if it's needed here before we do it.

[tdalton]

I don't see it being any more bleak than FRWL, which wasn't set in any particularly glamorous locations either. And as far as the location being used "again", Bond hadn't visited it at this point in the series (Dr. No: Jamaica, FRWL: Turkey, GF: USA, TB: Bahamas), so I'm not sure how it's being used again (I don't count anything that we did in the Craig Era UB treatments, as those are entirely separate from these).

It also makes sense within the context of the story for the film to partially take place there. If "elements of the Russian ruling elite" are trying to work with SPECTRE to get the stolen wealth returned due to their unhappiness with the current state of affairs in the USSR, then it would have to, IMO, take place outside of Moscow, where the Soviet leaders would have an easier time finding out about the plot, which would make Leningrad the next most logical place due to its proximity to the rest of Europe as well as its distance from Moscow (far enough away that those ruling elements unhappy with the way things are going would be able to operate with some degree of distance from the rulers in Moscow while still being close enough to the capital to have some degree of power within the ruling government.

I'd say Venice and Istanbul are a shade more exotic than Poland, East Germany and Leningrad. Yes - I was referring to the UB films we've done before. I would've liked a new location to work with.

That said, I'm beginning to get an idea of how all of this is going to hang together.

Neither location is depicted in any kind of glamorous way in FRWL. Both are depicted rather bleakly in that film (as are all of the film's locations). Also, if the plot is going to remain as having to do with unhappy Soviet factions wanting to resurrect the Russian Empire, then at least part of the film has to feature Russia/USSR. Leningrad makes the most sense, due to its proximity to the rest of Europe, its proximity to Moscow, as well as the fact that it isn't Moscow.

If everyone decides that things are looking too bleak (although I would love to see a very dark and bleak Bond film), then the "Spectreville" location can be moved from Poland. I chose Poland because of the location description for Switzerland emphasizing the idea of an insane asylum in Poland. "Spectreville" could be moved elsewhere in Europe.

Edited by tdalton, 18 November 2010 - 05:18 PM.

[terminus]

Neither location is depicted in any kind of glamorous way in FRWL. Both are depicted rather bleakly in that film (as are all of the film's locations). Also, if the plot is going to remain as having to do with unhappy Soviet factions wanting to resurrect the Russian Empire, then at least part of the film has to feature Russia/USSR. Leningrad makes the most sense, due to its proximity to the rest of Europe, its proximity to Moscow, as well as the fact that it isn't Moscow.

If everyone decides that things are looking too bleak (although I would love to see a very dark and bleak Bond film), then the "Spectreville" location can be moved from Poland. I chose Poland because of the location description for Switzerland emphasizing the idea of an insane asylum in Poland. "Spectreville" could be moved elsewhere in Europe.

I can't see how you can argue that East Germany/Poland/Leningrad are on the same level as Istanbul/Venice with regards to glamour.

Note - I'm not saying I don't want the location in the story nor that your reasons for picking it aren't logical. I've not said anything of the sort.

Actually - re: the specification in the St. Moritz location field that the insane asylum was in Poland, I should have nixed that when it got posted (as it was directly influencing another field - which I've not allowed in the past) but it completely slipped my mind. But we've got the location now - so we need to work with it.

[Captain Tightpants]

The whole point of the plot is to resurrect the Russian Empire and give SPECTRE diplomatic immunity. You can't get that in Greece. I see no reason why Bond cannot encounter Zagrophos in Russia; after all, he talks about the Russians as gamblers.

And I don't see why Zographos can't be encountered in Greece - and don't think you can use the fact he mentions Russians as gamblers as an argument to necessarily position him there, or as an argument towards Spang's true heritage.

Sorry, but Spang is Russian, or at least known by a Russian name. I don't see how the plot works if he's trying to resurrect Impreial Greece, because there was never a royal family of Greece the way there was in Russia (the only other Royal families are the Windsors of England, the Oldenburgs of Denmark and the Royal House of Saud in Saudi Arabia). The whole idea behind having an "evil" Royal family was to cast them as a reflection of Bond, with a villain serving Royals the way Bond does. It simply doesn't work if the plot revolves around Greece rather than Russia (also, the entire point of going behind the Iron Curtain is negated, since Greece was never behind the Iron Curtain). Given the choice between the communist party of Greece or the remnants of the House of Romanov as the villains, the latter is far more Bondian. Greece can be worked into the story as a location and as a part of the plot, but Spang has been commissioned by the Russians, not the Greeks. End of story.

[terminus]

Sorry, but Spang is Russian, or at least known by a Russian name. I don't see how the plot works if he's trying to resurrect Impreial Greece, because there was never a royal family of Greece the way there was in Russia (the only other Royal families are the Windsors of England, the Oldenburgs of Denmark and the Royal House of Saud in Saudi Arabia). The whole idea behind having an "evil" Royal family was to cast them as a reflection of Bond, with a villain serving Royals the way Bond does. It simply doesn't work if the plot revolves around Greece rather than Russia (also, the entire point of going behind the Iron Curtain is negated, since Greece was never behind the Iron Curtain). Given the choice between the communist party of Greece or the remnants of the House of Romanov as the villains, the latter is far more Bondian. Greece can be worked into the story as a location and as a part of the plot, but Spang has been commissioned by the Russians, not the Greeks. End of story.

Okay -

1) No, he's not. Spang doesn't need to be Russian, nor does he need to be known by a Russian name. You do not have the authority to claim that, you did not come up with the Spang character and stipulating the nationality of the villain was not in your remit by filling in the plot field. It is therefore open to discussion.

2) I never said anything about him trying to resurrect the Greek Empire, did I. So stop twisting statements to suit your own purpose.

Now - when are you going to fill in your third turn?

[terminus]

I'd like to apologise if I've been at all agressive the past couple of days, have been in a foul mood in real life and have let it affect my interaction on the board. My apologies.

[coco1997]

Still no sixth participant? I'm itching to post my final submission.

[Captain Tightpants]

I didn't realise it was my third go already. I've variously been doing exams, first aid courses, resident fellow training and packing my room up over the past week ...

1 Bond - Sean Connery

2 Bond Girl 1 (Main ie Pussy Galore/Kissy): Eartha Kitt as Miss Silhouette -- Helga Brandt meets May Day. Miss Silhouette is involved with the villain (possibly his mistress if the villain is a man) but turns traitor at the end of the film to help Bond.
3 Bond Girl 2 (Minor ie Tilly Masterson/Aki):
4 Bond Girl 3 (Background Girl - Dink/Ling):

5 Henchman (a la Oddjob): David Prowse as Viktor Szász, a former Hungarian strongman recruited over the Iron Curtain by Spang to act as muscle and assist in the "care" of Spectreville's patients.

6 Villain 1 (Main - the 'title' villain): Steve McQueen as Jack Spang (doesn't necessarily have to be a smuggler as in the novel, but perhaps a jack-of-all trades for SPECTRE)
7 Villain 2: Angela Lansbury as Marna Krutch (she is a 'facilitator' for SPECTRE - something of a Rosa Klebb meets Irma Bunt type, Eastern European, possibly even former KGB - think of her like a Mr White figure for the Connery Era).

8 M: Bernard Lee
9 Moneypenny: Lois Maxwell
10 Q: Desmond Llewelyn

11 Ally 1: Peter Ustinov as Nicolai Zagrophos -- a Greek gambler who helps Bond battle the villain at the gambling tables

Re: Locations - feel free to use multiple locations within a given country.

12 Pre-Titles Location: Swallow's Nest, Ukraine
13 Location 1: Leningrad, USSR
14 Location 2: The DDR, particularly East Berlin and even more particularly the Berlin Wall and the Bridge of Spies.
15 Location 3: A "suspicious health clinic" in St. Moritz, Switzerland, that MI6 discovers has a connection to an insane asylum in Poland. Any action in St. Moritz takes palce during the summer months.
16 Location 4: Greece - specifically the coast and a series of islands in the Aegean Sea that are the home/homeland of our villain - perhaps we could use something akin to the castle of Bourtzi (relocated from Nafplio, obviously) in some fashion.
17 Location 5: Warsaw, Poland (more specifically, the fictitious "Spectreville", which could somehow be connected to the insane asylum mentioned in the location description for St. Moritz)

KEY PLOT POINTS

18 Villain's Plot: Jack Spang is attempting to requisition stolen wealth from Switzerland. This wealth once belonged to the House of Romanov, the Tsars of Imperial Russia. The riches were 'liberated' with the establishment of the Soviet Union, and later stolen by the Nazis when Hitler marched on Russia. Spang and SPECTRE have been hired by elements of the Russian ruling elite - who are unhappy with the state of affairs in the USSR - to find the stolen wealth and return it to Russia in an attempt to resurrect the Russian Empire. In exchange, SPECTRE and any member of their fraternity will be given unconditional diplomatic immunity. Spang is attempting to achieve this by posing as a doctor and smuggling the gold over the iron curtain with patients he has declared insane.

19 Pre-Title Sequence Stunt: Bond is captured by SPECTRE henchmen and put in the backseat of his Aston Martin. While driving over a bridge, Bond loosens his restraints and ejects himself and lands in the water. Meanwhile, the DB5 continues on and crashes into a petrol tanker, which sends the car careening over the side of the bridge. Bond narrowly avoids the ensuing explosion and swims to safety.
20 Major Stunt 1:
21 Major Stunt 2: After being captured by Spang, sedated, and passed off as a mentally ill patient, Bond groggily comes to, then struggles to break free from his bonds before he is loaded onto Spang's private plane by Viktor Szász; he finally manages to alert the airport officials, who realize the situation, but it's too late -- Szász runs down the loading area and the plane takes off, but Bond is no longer in the villain's clutches.
22 Major Stunt 3:
23 Finale Stunt:

STUFF

24 Bond's Car: Ford Grand Turismo Mark III (Bond would receive this from Q Branch after his Aston Martin DB5 is destroyed in a sequence that will occur early in the film)

25 Gadget 1: A cigarette case filled with small explosives - in the shape of cigarettes.
26 Gadget 2:
27 Gadget 3:

PRODUCTION

28 Director: Terence Young.

29 Music By: John Barry

30 Themetune Sung By: Johnny Cash
31 Themetune Written By: Johnny Cash and John Barry

32 Titles Designed By: Maurice Binder
33 Description of Titles: An abstract journey through Imperial Russian history -- a girl emerging from a Fabergé egg covered in jewels, the silhouette of Bond making his way through a snowstorm, red flags covering the screen.

1) No, he's not. Spang doesn't need to be Russian, nor does he need to be known by a Russian name. You do not have the authority to claim that, you did not come up with the Spang character and stipulating the nationality of the villain was not in your remit by filling in the plot field. It is therefore open to discussion.

That was the trade-off I had to make. The plot is usually one of the first things to get filled in; this time, it didn't get added until late in the second round. I had to tailor something that accounted for everything else that was already filled in and still leave a bit of room for people to add their own details. It was actually pretty tricky, so I needed to delve into Spang a little more.

However, to work in Greece a little, I could see Bond's mission being to try and turn Spang. Assuming he stays as SPECTRE #17, a subplot could have him embezzling from SPECTRE, re-routing some of the gold through Greece. Bond's assignment would be to plant evidence leading SPECTRE to Spang's treachery, and then convince him to come over to the British side - but when he finds out what the gold is intended for, he has to take direct action against SPECTRE. Think of it as a reverse FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE, with Bond trying to discredit SPECTRE instead of the other way around.

[coco1997]

Would that location be able to accommodate my proposal for the PTS action sequence?

[Captain Tightpants]

Sure, why not? SPECTRE could capture Bond at the Swallow's Nest (he could be there to meet with a contact or something) and he jumps out on the road leading away from the old fort, which runs over a bridge that connects the landform holding the Swallow's Nest to the mainland. Bond lands in the water underneath. That road may not actually exist in real life, but we can take poetic licence.

[coco1997]

Looks good.

Also, are you still insistent on setting the St. Moritz sequence during the summer? I think it denies us the chance to use Jim's horse racing on a frozen lake idea, which seems like a very Bondian activity. It wouldn't necessarily come across as a rip off of OHMSS (and since this would technically come before OHMSS, OHMSS would be ripping off this ).

[Captain Tightpants]

Yes, I'm still intent on having it set during the summer. Sorry, Jim, but I just like the idea of Switzerland in the summer time. Perhaps we could use the idea of a horse race on an ice lake another time - I've got an awesome idea for the plot of UB-Moore that it would fit in with.