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#1 Christopher006

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 09:40 AM

Eric Cohen is one of the hosts of a small television show in New York that is about movies. The show is called The Cinefiles. The show has its own My Space and Facebook pages. Here is Cohen's review of Quantum of Solace which he posted on the show's facebook page.

Note: Cohen is a big Bond fan and always portrays himself as a leading expert on the subject. He absolutely hates LTK.

Quantum of Solace has been getting some polarizing reviews. The standard media has been rather harsh on it but the cinema buff blogs have been considerably more kind. This film seems be having a polarizing effect on viewers – you either love it or hate it. I may be the rare animal in that I neither hated it nor loved it. I kind of consider this an interesting failure. There were things I liked about it. In fact, there were things I liked a lot. But this is the thing…

Wait. Rewind. Need to digress.

The most understandable theory as to why people are hating on Solace is because this is not a typical “Bond movie.” And, no, I’m not talking about the tone of the script or the kind of story they try to present or whether it’s grittier or more “realistic” than prior Bonds. They’ve tried to go this route before and I’m not talking about Casino Royale either. Let me refer you to License to Kill. Now if you’ve seen our three-part episode on the James Bond canon, you’ll know I absolutely despised this flick. I consider this THE worst of the series (even more so than Moonraker which at least has some camp value going for it). But I think it’s an interesting choice to compare Solace to because there are considerable similarities. You’ve got a rogue 007 out for revenge. They’re both trying to emphasize the violence in Bond’s world. Both attempt a grittier take on the super spy than your standard entry in the series. However, License To Kill felt to me like an attempt to do a grown up action film by eleven year olds. The talent just wasn’t there to pull it off. And, yeah, yeah, I know, the whole purist response to LTK: “this is just the way Fleming would’ve wanted it, this is how James Bond is in the books, yada-yada-yada” I think the kind of fan who tries to defend this film is similar to the comic book geek that would consider certain superhero adaptations great cinema just because they include a reference that seems faithful to the film’s comic book origins. I gotta’ tell you, just because you mention “The Avenger Project” in the Incredible Hulk, just because General Thunderbolt Ross is made up to look JUST LIKE THE GUY IN THE COMIC does not necessarily a good movie make. And so it goes with License to Kill. It’s a flat film. Timothy Dalton is awkward in it. Its concept of “gritty” is childish. It’s a terribly written film. And it looks like it was made for tv. And every element that is associated with the character is completely taken away. It didn’t even have to be a “James Bond Movie.”

This, by the way, is a similar criticism being leveled at Quantum of Solace. That this Bond has been stripped of everything we associate with Bond. And I disagree with those critics.

Solace is sort of the film License to Kill wanted to be. But, strangely, the criticisms I’ve had for LTK are completely antithetical to the ones I have for Solace. While LTK was just flat and unimaginative, Solace goes in the other direction in trying to stand out and becomes something I’d thought I’d never say about a Bond film: it’s really pretentious.

Yes, Quantum of Solace is a pretentious Bond film.

It tries too hard to be “arty.” And, no, I have no problem with the producers taking chances and trying to go in that direction. Because there is an intriguing potential there. Much ado has been made over the film’s Bourne-like editing choices when it comes to the action scenes. And, yes, there are moments that are completely incomprehensible. But what surprised me most while watching this was how this did not strike me as “Bourne-like” at all. The film’s director Marc Forster has said he was attempting a visual style like that of the early 60s Bond movies. But I think he got confused. Because what I saw was an attempt to pay visual homage to late 1960s, early 1970s crime thrillers like Point Blank, Thomas Crown Affair and the loopy Performance. If you haven’t seen those flicks I suggest you take a look. It was the early John Boormans and Nic Roegs that developed that disjointed, abstract approach to both camera placement and editing which has highly influenced guys like Soderbergh and Michael Mann (in fact, there’s a lot in Solace that reminds me of tonal moments in Soderbergh’s The Limey and Mann’s Heat).

I don’t want my thoughts to be misunderstood, however. I am not one of those guys who thinks a Bond film should not be an Art film. I think you can pretty much do anything as long as the intent is clear and the talent is in place to make it work. I understand Forster’s desire for attentiveness to style but he’s unfocused. He’s trying TOO hard.

Where it works wonderfully are during moments like the Opera shoot out and, to a certain extent, the opening car chase. But what Forster (and perhaps the screenwriters) have left out is that each sequence should be a short story in itself with a beginning, middle and end. What made the action sequences so marvelous in Casino Royale was not just in how they told a story, but how much they described Bond as a character. And how each sequence ended with just the right coda. And you can still apply this principle to the abstract. Most definitely. And that’s the trick: if you wanna’ go abstract in your action sequences, you wanna’ reach a little higher rather than do a straight forward commercial Bond film by trying to make “art,” then at least apply an arc to these sequences. Otherwise they don’t register. They won’t have that disoriented, wtf just happened?! response you want from your audience. All you’ll get is a “huh?”

An example of where this doesn’t work is during the boat chase sequence. David Edelstein commented in his NY Mag review on how it was incomprehensible. But this is my problem with it: you know how I mentioned that “coda?” The appropriate finale, full-stop conclusion to an action sequence? They attempt something very interesting here. Bond tries to save the female protagonist as she is being taken away on boat. And this involves riding a motorcycle off a pier, landing on another boat, and then a series of jumping from one boat to another ensues. Then there’s the chase. Then Bond dispatches the pursuant and his boat in what seemed to be a very aggressive and violent way. Now… in prior Bond films, the “coda” might show Bond driving off from the carnage, straightening his tie, etc, with the Monty Norman theme blaring on the soundtrack. It might elicit a smile on the viewers face. It might be tongue-in-cheek. Or take a look at how they concluded that awesome parkour sequence in Casino Royale: Bond surrounded by embassy officials. You think he’ll give up but instead fires his automatic at a gas tank then BOOM! And Bond is gone. But at the end of Solace’s boat chase we get nothing like that nor the tongue-in-cheek coolness under pressure floating away from the carnage as the 007 theme blares away. Instead, we get ominous strings. It’s as if the filmmakers are telling us “this is not fun, there was serious carnage, Bond might be a psychopath.”
So, yeah, I’m down for that in concept. The problem is the sequence hasn’t earned THAT coda. Because the audience hasn’t been given anything to register. We have no idea what the carnage is or if anyone has in fact been killed or violently dealt with in ways we should feel critical of. So it has no impact. You’re just confused and wonder why it ends with these dark, ominous sounds. It supposed to move us emotionally like, “wow, this IS sinister because Bond is a bad-B). He’s SCARY.” But the way it’s edited and shot, the sequence does not earn that response.

I can’t help but admire their attempt with this film, though. It feels like the Bond makers are finally growing up and in my book that’s a damned good thing. I’m a huge Ian Fleming fan. I’ve read all of his novels, the short stories, even most of the ones not written by him (actually, I take that back: I haven’t read any of the Raymond Benson ones). And I love the film series as a whole. And the best compliment I can give to this particular entry is that it FELT like Fleming. It captured that dangerous world Bond lives in vibe extremely well. And I love how the Daniel Craig era will be a gray era and not the black and white of Bond films past.

Quantum of Solace is like a deconstructed 007 film. All the elements that are usually fore and center are now so pushed into the background to be rendered almost inconsequential. Which I guess is why the filmmakers chose to go the arty route. Because the abstract action sequences, the disjointed editing and sound juxtapositioning, the unique camera placement seems to be all about reflecting on what’s going on inside Bond’s head. And it helps that Daniel Craig is doing the role now. He really is the best actor to have played this part. Maybe he doesn’t have the quintessential Bond “look” (although I think, and not in a “gay” way, that Craig is looking pretty good as the character and nails it visually in style and look) but damn can that man act. Although there are few moments where he is allowed to display the Bond charm, when he does so he is very successful. It reminded me so much of Connery’s Bond but there’s also something deeper going on there. He handles his lines ever so subtly (not like lead weights as Dalton and Brosnan tended to do) and conveys so much cool.

Do I wish the film were better? Absolutely. But that’s because I “got” what they were trying to do but it didn’t seem to be quite there yet. But I may have to revisit it later and I probably will. I have a feeling time could be kind to Quantum of Solace (much like the formerly dismissed now idolized On Her Majesty’s Secret Service). It’s unique enough that it may find a cult following all its own.


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Posted 28 March 2009 - 01:23 PM

Where I can't understand the venom for LTK he definitely touches on some valid points for me, watching it again last weekend for me the editing still is an issue, that car chase was too much and at times your completely disorientated by the whole thing. That was touted as being something rather akin to the great car chases, the Ronin one is probably the most recent example but something like the French Connection chase was something like I was expecting although I feel there was an amazing car chase shot just all that editing ruined it.

I'm not sure I like Forster's fast as a bullet ethic, the roof top chase with Mitchell is over before you know it and as soon as White says his line to Mitchel the sequence that follows is a confusing mess.

I like the grappling for the gun sequence ending Bond shooting Mitchel but I'm sorry I want it to slow down, those of you like this method are welcome to it but it seems MGW was not entirely sold on the style himself and now sees that the audience of the film is somewhat divided in there reaction to it. The boat chase is rather unmemorable and muddled, I think the film improves once we reach Austria and Bonds moment with Mathis are great.

I did enjoy QOS but I think I expected it to carry the quality of CR to new heights and for some it may have done but this rather well written review by someone who knows their Bond echoes my feelings on the film.

I don't know what to expect from Bond 23 but I'm not getting as excited as I did with QOS because that film if I'm honest didn't deliver the way expected. I have no problem with Craig I thought he was great but and I thought I'd never say this I hope they let him have some fun next time.

I don't agree with those who have said it lacks the Bond trademarks and that he should have been more light hearted I understand he was coming off the back of the death of his lover and he needed to be brooding but I think this is the end of this kind Bond for Craig and hopefully he'll become more like Connery was in FRWL.

The moment when he disables the lift full of agents and climbs over the balcony to elude more agents and walks right up to M, this is kind of thing which I'd like to see more of, it's a great moment and very Bondian. Seeing Craig play a more experienced agent with a touch of humour, (he displayed some great moments in QOS a little too subtle for some who prefer the trowel applied method for humour) will be something I will be looking forward to seeing in Bond 23, no more sour puss please!

I still rate Alamric's Greene I thought he made a suitably contemporary villain with some great moments of menace, his lines of dialogue to Medrano after he's signed over the land are delivered with real relish.

The idea to push the story to background and not sign post it like usual was a brave and successful but I'm afraid some people barely noticed a plot going on as some have mentioned to me, a girl at work asked me yesterday, what was in the desert? I'm all for making these films this way but I think the action although plentiful was nowhere as memorable as CR's was, although the Bregenz Opera sequence heralded a hopefully a more exciting path for Bond films to go in.

Either QOS proved to me I wasn't wanting such a radical re haul or that it's approach and I'm not on my own here was not the success some have seen. Don't get me wrong I don't want to see a return to the Brosnan era but lets see Craig play a more playful 007 next time and yes I want my gun barrel next time and Craig getting his full on Monty Norman moment, a more fun but exciting pre-title sequence climaxing with the theme blaring wouldn't disappoint me.

Maybe I'm not such a radical fan as I thought and somewhere in between is where I sit at least that's what my most recent viewing has bought me to the conclusion, compounded by this rather balanced and interesting review.

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 01:57 PM

Uggghhh... "Quantum of Solace" at least is a lot more interesting than that guy's article. I just love these long winded reviews that take forever to get to the point. If there's anything that's "pretentious," it's not QoS, it's this pompous :tdown:'s review of it. B)

I think the guy spent more time talking about LTK than he did QoS. And I liked those beats immediately following the boat chase, where the "ominous strings" played.

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 03:59 PM

He makes some good points about the overall construction of the film, and that's coming from someone who liked it in the 8/10 range. Stylistically, the film was a major step forward. But it's at the point of conception with some of ideas that the conflict happens (read: Superman Returns).

The moment after the boat chase is one of my favourite from the film, because they achieve EXACTLY what he's saying they're trying to...the ominous strings and such, with the Barryesque swell right after that...but he's right! The chase is largely devoid of tension, so the effect is lost (not to mention the fact you're still trying to figure out how Bond flipped that boat B).

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 06:59 PM

I actually think his comments QUANTUM OF SOLACE are spot on. And he certainly is quite amiable to QUANTUM OF SOLACE, and the spirit of experimentation it represents. He just recognizes, and rightly, that it's not a perfect cinematic vehicle, and that there are a lot of hiccups along the way.

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 07:24 PM

He makes some good points about the overall construction of the film, and that's coming from someone who liked it in the 8/10 range. Stylistically, the film was a major step forward. But it's at the point of conception with some of ideas that the conflict happens (read: Superman Returns).

The moment after the boat chase is one of my favourite from the film, because they achieve EXACTLY what he's saying they're trying to...the ominous strings and such, with the Barryesque swell right after that...but he's right! The chase is largely devoid of tension, so the effect is lost (not to mention the fact you're still trying to figure out how Bond flipped that boat B).


I agree with your comments and Harmsway's but I never had the problem of figuring out how he flipped the boat because I knew the anchor flipped the boat since there are angles of Bond grabbing the anchor, throwing it, and the anchor moving at the front of the boat so when it flips I assume the anchor hit the inside of the front of the boat which caused it to flip which is what I thought when I saw QoS for the first time but your right about the sequence not having tension or even letting us see any of the damage Bond has caused which loses the effect of the ominous ending and I was one of those fans who thought QoS was as good or better then CR but after seeing it so many times I now think CR is the better overal movie of the two but I still think QoS is a really good but not perfect Bond movie and its defiantly in my top 5.

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 07:39 PM

Funny, his "overwrought and pretentious" comments seem better aimed at his review than at QOS. B) Oh well, just ADWDGI (Another Dude Who Didn't Get It :tdown: ).

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 07:55 PM

I actually think his comments QUANTUM OF SOLACE are spot on. And he certainly is quite amiable to QUANTUM OF SOLACE, and the spirit of experimentation it represents. He just recognizes, and rightly, that it's not a perfect cinematic vehicle, and that there are a lot of hiccups along the way.


I agree Harmsway, I think I was on defensive when I first saw this because I didn't want to believe it wasn't the film I'd wanted it to be.

I'm more comfortable with the idea it didn't quite deliver and his view seems more balanced than quite a few reviews, I noticed something I knew would happen, that Empire dropped a star for it's DVD review.

CR was more conventional but it was way classier than Bond had been in decades, QOS can applauded for it's experimentation but elements mainly the editing style I hope I never see in a Bond film again.

That Boat Chase is rather dull and confusing and the sink hole sequence I don't like. I thought the running time wouldn't bother me but watching again it's too short and I wanted more by the end.

Dark Knight in my view was infinitely better and QOS was going to have to be special to top that and for me it didn't come close.

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 11:23 PM

I actually think his comments QUANTUM OF SOLACE are spot on. And he certainly is quite amiable to QUANTUM OF SOLACE, and the spirit of experimentation it represents. He just recognizes, and rightly, that it's not a perfect cinematic vehicle, and that there are a lot of hiccups along the way.


I agree Harmsway, I think I was on defensive when I first saw this because I didn't want to believe it wasn't the film I'd wanted it to be.

I'm more comfortable with the idea it didn't quite deliver and his view seems more balanced than quite a few reviews, I noticed something I knew would happen, that Empire dropped a star for it's DVD review.

CR was more conventional but it was way classier than Bond had been in decades, QOS can applauded for it's experimentation but elements mainly the editing style I hope I never see in a Bond film again.

That Boat Chase is rather dull and confusing and the sink hole sequence I don't like. I thought the running time wouldn't bother me but watching again it's too short and I wanted more by the end.

Dark Knight in my view was infinitely better and QOS was going to have to be special to top that and for me it didn't come close.


I somewhat agree with you but I would say the quick editing style can work in a Bond film but QoS relied on it too heavily, I just rewatched OHMSS and I can say this film uses quick edits a whole lot but does not rely on it and I think its the perfect example of how the quick editing style can work in a Bond film I just think they took the quick editing style and relied on it too much which lead to too many quick cuts even for a quick editing style. I would not be surprised if The Bourne films have less quick cuts than QoS and when it comes to the run time, I have no problem with it but I can see why some people may think its too short since the editing style is too quick and speeds the non-action scenes up to the point where some scenes feel rushed plus the fact that QoS really does not have a beginning to it since the ending of CR is like the beginning of QoS so the film would naturally feel like its missing something. I am willing to bet that Bond 23 will not have these problems since EON usually listen to fans concerns like when they dropped Brosnan when they did not have too but they felt they needed a change so I feel the quick editing style will be dropped because of all of the criticisms of it but I could see quick edits to be used in the future but defiantly not as many as QoS which just had too many of them.

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Posted 29 March 2009 - 03:00 AM

I am willing to bet that Bond 23 will not have these problems since EON usually listen to fans concerns like when they dropped Brosnan when they did not have too but they felt they needed a change so I feel the quick editing style will be dropped because of all of the criticisms of it but I could see quick edits to be used in the future but defiantly not as many as QoS which just had too many of them.


I guess you didn't read the Bradford International Film Festival Article on Michael G. Wilson:

He (meaning MGW) also said that he doesn't let fan bias deter his creative instincts. He acknowledged it was frustrating to read the widespread campaign against Daniel Craig after he was signed as Bond, but never wavered in his belief that the end result would be that the public and critics would embrace him.


Brosnan was extremely popular with the public and his films were profitable. Many fans and the public in general wanted them to keep Brosnan. But MGW didn't listen to fans, and knew that they would like his choice of Daniel Craig.