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[danielcraigisjamesbond007]

Maybe someone could explain this to me: After Bond (Lazenby) saves Tracy on the beach, he says that "This never happened to the other fellow." Who was Lazenby referring to? Connery?
Could someone please let me know? Whenever that line comes up, I get confused...

[Joey Bond]

From what I heard, Lazenby often says this line behind the scenes to refer to Connery and how people treated Connery like a star but didn't really care about him. Then when they filmed this scene, Peter Hunt suggested he say this line. Basically he's talking about Connery.

Don't try to find some kind of continuity or depth in this line. I tried.

[FlemingBond]

Yes, that's what i heard too. It was an inside joke. An acknowledgement that the actor had changed. Back in those days it was such a big deal that there was a new actor playing Bond. Today there are 6, but in those days there had only been Connery. They even considered having the character have plastic surgery to explain his different face. As if that was needed.

[Professor Pi]

The inside joke is just one meaning. The other is Cinderella.

[Judo chop]

He says it to the audience, breaking the 4th wall. In effect, it's not part of OHMSS: The Story at all.

[Vauxhall]

He says it to the audience, breaking the 4th wall. In effect, it's not part of OHMSS: The Story at all.

Indeed. It sits comfortably alongside the Tarzan yell and car jump whistle effect as the worst moments in Bond history.

[Double-Oh Agent]

He says it to the audience, breaking the 4th wall. In effect, it's not part of OHMSS: The Story at all.

Indeed. It sits comfortably alongside the Tarzan yell and car jump whistle effect as the worst moments in Bond history.

I don't think so. I think Lazenby's line works well for what it's trying to do and I like it, although I'm glad that it didn't happen again. If it wasn't there, that would be fine too, but I certainly don't consider it one of the worst moments in Bond history. The Tarzan yell yes. The slide whistle during the barrel roll I could live without, but I'm not as much against it as others are.

[Major Tallon]

Hildebrand Rarity and I sparred over this line and other elements of OHMSS down below in the "Best Film Produced In A Two Year Cycle" thread under the General Bond Film Discussion section.

Basically, I like it, and he doesn't. I don't know that we settled anything, but I think we enjoyed the discussion.

Maybe the two of us should tackle the '67 Casino Royale next?

[Marcato]

okay so it does not work but then what works - the scene does not work witout a line - witho a line the scene becomes somewhat boring just before the titles so what should he say instead that makes an good impact - based on what just happened

[HildebrandRarity]

Peter Hunt suggested he say this line. Basically he's talking about Connery.

Don't try to find some kind of continuity or depth in this line. I tried.

It is the single most stupid and most idiotic line ever spoken in a James Bond movie. Period.

No other line even comes close to this.

In this line, LazenbyBond is speaking to the audience!

It's complete and utter bull[censored]!

[Harmsway]

He says it to the audience, breaking the 4th wall. In effect, it's not part of OHMSS: The Story at all.

Indeed. It sits comfortably alongside the Tarzan yell and car jump whistle effect as the worst moments in Bond history.

Quite so.

[HildebrandRarity]

He says it to the audience, breaking the 4th wall. In effect, it's not part of OHMSS: The Story at all.

Indeed. It sits comfortably alongside the Tarzan yell and car jump whistle effect as the worst moments in Bond history.

In my opinion, it's worse than the kazoo in the car jump in TMWTGG, the Tarzan yell in Octopussy and the Beach Boys que in AVTAK...Coincidentally all Moore movies!

Much, much worse...because of what Judo said about the 4th wall.

okay so it does not work but then what works - the scene does not work witout a line - witho a line the scene becomes somewhat boring ...

It's the first time i've ever heard/seen anyone say the OHMSS PTS is "boring"...and that with that line in it, it's not boring.

LOL!


If you want a line, then have something - anything - that doesn't reference Connery and have him say it to himself, not the ing audience!!!

It doesn't take too much imagination to come up with something.

How about:

*Looking at the shoes* "Hmmm...Prince Charming, eh?...What about my dance...? "

OR

"Hmmm...and I never even got a dance... "

But they had professional writers...so i'm sure they could have done something there.

Instead we got that line!

[john.steed]

OHMSS was the first Bond film that ever saw. I saw the ads for the film on TV and I knew what to expect, a light action/adventure film. I knew, of course, about the change in Bonds,and with that, I do remember getting a laugh out of the line. I suspect that most of the people at the time enjoyed it as well. There was nothing wrong with the line.

[Safari Suit]

Yes, I dare say the vast majority of people are not bothered at all by such moments, and many of them probably enjoy it (there must be a reason they put them in after all). I guess the downside of becoming a "fan" of something is that you sometimed become more critical of it.

[HildebrandRarity]

I guess the downside of becoming a "fan" of something is that you sometimed become more critical of it.

Look at the crucifixions surrounding the editors for Q0S who were merely using next generation iterations of the fast cuts that were present in OHMSS's first three hand-to-hand fight scenes.

If the 4th wall had been breached by Daniel Craig in Quantum, imagine the vitriol on these forums.

[john.steed]

I guess the downside of becoming a "fan" of something is that you sometimed become more critical of it.

Look at the crucifixions surrounding the editors for Q0S who were merely using next generation iterations of the fast cuts that were present in OHMSS's first three hand-to-hand fight scenes.

If the 4th wall had been breached by Daniel Craig in Quantum, imagine the vitriol on these forums.

If such a line fit had in Quantum, as I found to do in OHMSS, then I would have been all for it.

[HildebrandRarity]

If such a line fit had in Quantum, as I found to do in OHMSS, then I would have been all for it.

Well, that's very generous and gentlemanly of you, john.steed. I wouldn't have imagined you to behave any less that that given your screen name.

The rest of the populace, however, are not as generous as you, Sir.

LOL

Some CBn-ers can be brutally unforgiving and nasty.



They'd have Marc Foster and Paul Haggis and Wilson and Broccoli drawn and quartered for breaking the 4th wall and having Bond 'talk' to the audience with a smirk...and Mr Craig would fare no better for not putting a stop to it during filming.

[Jaws0178]

It's true, its true

[Safari Suit]

If the 4th wall had been breached by Daniel Craig in Quantum, imagine the vitriol on these forums.

It doesn't even bare thinking about!

[Joey Bond]

If the 4th wall had been breached by Daniel Craig in Quantum, imagine the vitriol on these forums.

It doesn't even bare thinking about!

Would have been even worse if it happened in a Brosnan film!

[David_M]

It may take us out of the narrative for a moment, and thus "ruin" the artistic integrity of the script, but it's a calculated move that I imagined worked well at the time (though I was only 4 in 1969, so I was more likely watching Captain Kangaroo at the time).

Lazenby was bound to be in for some tough comparisons to Connery from a skeptical, even hostile audience, so it probably didn't hurt to have him acknowledge the elephant in the room: "I am not the guy you remember, and brother have I got my work cut out for me." Positioning him as an underdog who just can't catch a break was a way to soften up the audience and maybe make them a bit more open-minded.

On the other hand, this recognition of history is utterly undone later in the film, when Blofeld fails to recognize Bond in his "disguise."

[AgentPB]

He says it to the audience, breaking the 4th wall. In effect, it's not part of OHMSS: The Story at all.

Indeed. It sits comfortably alongside the Tarzan yell and car jump whistle effect as the worst moments in Bond history.

I don't think so. I think Lazenby's line works well for what it's trying to do and I like it, although I'm glad that it didn't happen again. If it wasn't there, that would be fine too, but I certainly don't consider it one of the worst moments in Bond history. The Tarzan yell yes. The slide whistle during the barrel roll I could live without, but I'm not as much against it as others are.

I agree its not as cringe inducing as the other two examples. Partly because it breaks the fourth wall and its not as dated as Tarzan or the whistle. Those two seem out of place when viewing them out of the roger moore era. But the Laz's joke still is relevent because everyone knows that he was replacing Connery

[Professor Pi]

He says it to the audience, breaking the 4th wall. ...

.... Partly because it breaks the fourth wall ... But the Laz's joke still is relevent because everyone knows that he was replacing Connery

Alright then guys. I went back to the tape, or rather DVD, even though I've seen this movie well over a dozen times. The camera shows Tracy speeding off in her car, and cuts to Lazenby holding her shoe like Prince Charming. He's looking to the left of the camera and says the line, "This never happened to the other fella!"

HA! I was right, so there ...

... but then the bastard looks straight into the camera, albeit for less than a second, and runs through the bloody 4th wall! Cue credits!

Damn.

But then again I never noticed the gunbarrel blood wiping Lazenby clean off the screen before either!

[Colossus]

The fellow line didn't bother me at all.

[Mr. Blofeld]

He says it to the audience, breaking the 4th wall. ...

.... Partly because it breaks the fourth wall ... But the Laz's joke still is relevent because everyone knows that he was replacing Connery

Alright then guys. I went back to the tape, or rather DVD, even though I've seen this movie well over a dozen times. The camera shows Tracy speeding off in her car, and cuts to Lazenby holding her shoe like Prince Charming. He's looking to the left of the camera and says the line, "This never happened to the other fella!"

HA! I was right, so there... but then, the bastard looks straight into the camera, albeit for less than a second, and runs through the bloody 4th wall! Cue credits!

Damn.

But then again I never noticed the gunbarrel blood wiping Lazenby clean off the screen before either!

Well, no; he turns into a silhouette and runs into the credits. Am I the only one who thought that was a nice touch from Maurice Binder?

[Professor Pi]

He says it to the audience, breaking the 4th wall. ...

.... Partly because it breaks the fourth wall ... But the Laz's joke still is relevent because everyone knows that he was replacing Connery

Alright then guys. I went back to the tape, or rather DVD, even though I've seen this movie well over a dozen times. The camera shows Tracy speeding off in her car, and cuts to Lazenby holding her shoe like Prince Charming. He's looking to the left of the camera and says the line, "This never happened to the other fella!"

HA! I was right, so there... but then, the bastard looks straight into the camera, albeit for less than a second, and runs through the bloody 4th wall! Cue credits!

Damn.

But then again I never noticed the gunbarrel blood wiping Lazenby clean off the screen before either!

Well, no; he turns into a silhouette and runs into the credits. Am I the only one who thought that was a nice touch from Maurice Binder?

...and repeated (homaged?) in The World Is Not Enough. Yet another link between these two films. "Your powers of observation do you credit," Mr. Blofeld. Thanks.

[Mr. Blofeld]

He says it to the audience, breaking the 4th wall. ...

.... Partly because it breaks the fourth wall ... But the Laz's joke still is relevent because everyone knows that he was replacing Connery

Alright then guys. I went back to the tape, or rather DVD, even though I've seen this movie well over a dozen times. The camera shows Tracy speeding off in her car, and cuts to Lazenby holding her shoe like Prince Charming. He's looking to the left of the camera and says the line, "This never happened to the other fella!"

HA! I was right, so there... but then, the bastard looks straight into the camera, albeit for less than a second, and runs through the bloody 4th wall! Cue credits!

Damn.

But then again I never noticed the gunbarrel blood wiping Lazenby clean off the screen before either!

Well, no; he turns into a silhouette and runs into the credits. Am I the only one who thought that was a nice touch from Maurice Binder?

...and repeated (homaged?) in The World Is Not Enough. Yet another link between these two films. "Your powers of observation do you credit," Mr. Blofeld. Thanks.

Just goes to show how much of a poor copy TWINE is of OHMSS, eh?

[golrush007]

I thought the 'This never happened to the other fella' line was a fun, tongue-in-cheek reference to the fact that the actor playing Bond had changed for the first time in the series. It doesn't bother me at all - and a light moment such as that makes a nice lead in to the title sequence.

As for breaking the 4th wall, I suppose it either works well or it is terrible. In this case, I thought that it worked well - as did Sean Connery's wink to the audience at the end of Never Say Never Again.

[HildebrandRarity]

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But then again I never noticed the gunbarrel blood wiping Lazenby clean off the screen before either!

Well, no; he turns into a silhouette and runs into the credits. Am I the only one who thought that was a nice touch from Maurice Binder?

I think Prof Pi meant the gunbarrel.

It's the only gunbarrel out of the 22 where the image of Bond is completely wiped away by the blood when it pours down and over the gunbarrel. In the other 21 gunbarrels, the silhouette or image of Bond remains.

It was an in joke by Cubby, Harry and Maurice. They were symbolically wiping out Lazenby as, by then, the Aussie was no longer in the role.

[Mr. Blofeld]

But then again I never noticed the gunbarrel blood wiping Lazenby clean off the screen before either!

Well, no; he turns into a silhouette and runs into the credits. Am I the only one who thought that was a nice touch from Maurice Binder?

I think Prof Pi meant the gunbarrel.

It's the only gunbarrel out of the 22 where the image of Bond is completely wiped away by the blood when it pours down and over the gunbarrel. In the other 21 gunbarrels, the silhouette or image of Bond remains.

It was an in joke by Cubby, Harry and Maurice. They were symbolically wiping out Lazenby as, by then, the Aussie was no longer in the role.

No, that's not true, and you know it.

Also, if you read the rest of his post, you'll notice that I was referring to his earlier comment in the same post on what Lazenby does after he says the one-liner.