So, Bond has found his Quantum of Solace, he dumps Vesper's necklace in the snow like he dumped Matthis in the garbage...he "never left".
Is he now The Bond We All Know And Love?
What do you feel about Bond's emotional state at the end of the film - is he nearer to becoming the soulless killer he worried about being in CR? Or has he been saved by his renewed sense of loyalty to the Service?
How bitter sweet is the ending for you?
Is Bond in a good place at the end?
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, Nov 21 2008 12:24 PM
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Posted 21 November 2008 - 12:36 PM
He's still got his issues with how his job affects him (I'm just assuming that he's still going to be treated as a real person), but I think he's in a place where he's ready to focus himself onto the job. He's ready to take down Quantum as a professional and with fewer personal stakes on the line. IMO.
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Posted 21 November 2008 - 12:39 PM
For me the Craig Bond is now one who has replaced his hollowed-out soul with duty. He's not aspirational like The Bond We Know And Love because he's quite genuinely dangerous and cold. You wouldn't want to be him, you wouldn't necessarily want to know him...but he's someone you absolutely want on you side.
The peace Bond finds is refuge in duty. He exists for purpose now, stripped of his emotions. His killing is cold but not necessarily soulless, since he kills for good reason, with definite purpose. But it's certainly dispassionate.
So I'd say: very bitter sweet. Nobody wanted Bruce Wayne's parents to die, for the kid to suffer, but it has to happen so we can have Batman. I didn't want Bond to go through the trauma and damage of CR and QoS - I like the guy, and wanted him to get out of the job before it ate him up, happily bonking on beaches with Vesper forever - but at the same time I want 'James Bond'. And a lot of tragic character work has to occur for that to happen.
So while he'll roll into a casino looking suave, down his martinis, shoot numerous henchmen and seduce many a lady - we'll always know what drove him to these excesses. How his armour was made.
Which, for me, makes it interesting as hell.
The peace Bond finds is refuge in duty. He exists for purpose now, stripped of his emotions. His killing is cold but not necessarily soulless, since he kills for good reason, with definite purpose. But it's certainly dispassionate.
So I'd say: very bitter sweet. Nobody wanted Bruce Wayne's parents to die, for the kid to suffer, but it has to happen so we can have Batman. I didn't want Bond to go through the trauma and damage of CR and QoS - I like the guy, and wanted him to get out of the job before it ate him up, happily bonking on beaches with Vesper forever - but at the same time I want 'James Bond'. And a lot of tragic character work has to occur for that to happen.
So while he'll roll into a casino looking suave, down his martinis, shoot numerous henchmen and seduce many a lady - we'll always know what drove him to these excesses. How his armour was made.
Which, for me, makes it interesting as hell.
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Posted 23 November 2008 - 01:14 AM
Nicely put sorking, exactly how I was thinking.
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Posted 23 November 2008 - 01:57 AM
I think Bond either Bond has convinced himself that his motivation comes from duty or it always has been and we just assume he's out for revenge.
I mean in the end, M was wrong on a lot of things regarding his character.
From the novels Bond was in a bad place after Vesper's death, she stripped him away and he filled the void in his soul with vengeance against SMERSH which lasted throughout several books and he wasn't able to feel like a human again until Kissy, Tracy, etc.
I mean in the end, M was wrong on a lot of things regarding his character.
From the novels Bond was in a bad place after Vesper's death, she stripped him away and he filled the void in his soul with vengeance against SMERSH which lasted throughout several books and he wasn't able to feel like a human again until Kissy, Tracy, etc.
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Posted 26 November 2008 - 08:25 PM
Vesper Lynd made James Bond.
He didn't like the idea of death or killing people in CR, also he let his heart get in his way when it came to Vesper.
She showed him a way out, he could leave his past behind, then she turned out to be a double agent. He wanted answers for her death if it meant killing people then so let it be, he didn't care who died, Fields showed that he didn't ever want a meaningfull relationship and wil just go from one night stand to the next one. He's pretty much the Bond we met in DN now, but the final scene with Yusef settled his find and he was granted closure for her death.
He didn't like the idea of death or killing people in CR, also he let his heart get in his way when it came to Vesper.
She showed him a way out, he could leave his past behind, then she turned out to be a double agent. He wanted answers for her death if it meant killing people then so let it be, he didn't care who died, Fields showed that he didn't ever want a meaningfull relationship and wil just go from one night stand to the next one. He's pretty much the Bond we met in DN now, but the final scene with Yusef settled his find and he was granted closure for her death.
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Posted 26 November 2008 - 11:31 PM
As Pierce - Daniel says, Vesper showed Bond that even someone like him has a heart and something to 'work' for. After he finally forgives and forgets her at the end, he gives M the thougth that he finished his personal business and he can stay on the service, now with a quantum of solace and 'everything' in order, now it's time to search Mr. White, Mr. Haines and find out what the hell are Quantum's plans.