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[spynovelfan]

Sorry to hear you didn't enjoy it much, doublenought - here's hoping you get another OHMSS soon! Oh, wait... I know what you're going to say: there can only ever be one OHMSS!

[doublenoughtspy]

Sorry to hear you didn't enjoy it much, doublenought - here's hoping you get another OHMSS soon! Oh, wait... I know what you're going to say: there can only ever be one OHMSS!

The man can READ MY MIND!

It's scary

[HildebrandRarity]

Sorry to hear you didn't enjoy it much, doublenought - here's hoping you get another OHMSS soon! Oh, wait... I know what you're going to say: there can only ever be one OHMSS!

The man can READ MY MIND!

It's scary

Hey, doublenought. Did you see OHMSS upon release? What were the reviews like back then?

[stromberg]

Sorry to hear you didn't enjoy it much, doublenought - here's hoping you get another OHMSS soon! Oh, wait... I know what you're going to say: there can only ever be one OHMSS!

Was about to post something similar. Really sorry that you didn't like it.

[DamnCoffee]

What did you think of the movie Stromberg? I don't recall hearing your opinion on it.

[Safari Suit]

If I want to see people being punished I'll stick with the Saw films (of which I do enjoy).

Apples and oranges though; in the Bond films there have been times when you're supposed to have been glad to see "bad" people get their comeupance, you're never really supposed to feel that with the Saw films.

Excellent stuff, DNS. A coupla questions:

Is this, in your book, the worst Bond film?

Too early to tell. I'd almost put it off with NSNA / CR 67 - existing in an alternate universe for right now. More viewings & time will help me figure out where it sits.

You're a fan of CR67 though, aren't you?

[doublenoughtspy]

You're a fan of CR67 though, aren't you?

Yes - Stromberg and I are co-presidents of the CR 67 fan club

[stromberg]

What did you think of the movie Stromberg? I don't recall hearing your opinion on it.

I'm a bit middle of the road with it. Not the greatest Bond movie ever, but it's got some good moments. I like the look and feel of it, but I'm not really happy with some of the action. Car chase and the Siena foot chase are fine with me (was sold on the editing on 2nd viewing), but I wasn't too keen on the boat chase, the Plane stuff and parts of the Perla de las Dunas scenes. But it's an interesting movie, and it gets a solid 7/10 from me (if you care for the numbers). Daniel Craig, he gets a 10/10.

But that's enough for now, don't intend to hijack doublenought's thread.

You're a fan of CR67 though, aren't you?

Yes - Stromberg and I are co-presidents of the CR 67 fan club

And we mean it

[TheSaint]

Don't mince words Doublenought, what do you really think?

[avl]

What did you think of the movie Stromberg? I don't recall hearing your opinion on it.

I'm a bit middle of the road with it.

I don't think that is allowed - as QoS is officially "the most polarising Bond film ever" TM

[Jim]

Why would one wish to board a suck train in the first place? Unless this is the even more graphic version of a pullman.

[Zorin Industries]

It is probably best if you stick to suck trains and getting off on them...and leave James Bond films to the future.

Next!

[__7]

I won't get specific just now. It is 2:45am where I am and I just got back from the midnight premiere of QoS... I'm not just real sure what movie some of you all watched. I saw almost no flaw in the film. Better than CR, no. Equally as good, yes. I'm proud to be a Bond fan tonight.

[__7]

Dear, Babs, MGW and DC:

Don't stop doing what you are doing. Make more like this please. Babs and MGW, let DC write his own ticket. Don't listen to over-wrought, tightly wound Bond fans who secretly miss Roger Moore's cartoon Bonds, but just don't want to admit it. Continue to recruit the best talent and let them do their thing within the Bond framework. And remember - the box office telleth no lies.

Sincerely,
Proud Bond Fan

[Zorin Industries]

Ditto.

[Royal Dalton]

Then again, perhaps some people just didn't like the film based on its own merits?

Thanks for your review, DNS. Hopefully, the next one will be more to your liking.

[Shot Your Bolt]

Then again, perhaps some people just didn't like the film based on its own merits?

WHAT A CRAZY THOUGHT! SURELY WILL MUST DEBATE BACK AND FORWARD TO PROVE HOW WRONG THEY ARE FOR NOT ENJOYING QUANTUM OF SOLACE!

[Safari Suit]

Don't listen to over-wrought, tightly wound Bond fans who secretly miss Roger Moore's cartoon Bonds, but just don't want to admit it.

You're referring to DNS here, the world's leading authority on OHMSS, are you?

[ACE]

Well, I think doublenoughtspy has an open enough mind to appreciate Bond beyond OHMSS. Sorry you didn't prefer this film, DNS. Oy vey, we're losing some of the biggest guns!

[JeffWest]

What did you think of the movie Stromberg? I don't recall hearing your opinion on it.

I'm a bit middle of the road with it.

I don't think that is allowed - as QoS is officially "the most polarising Bond film ever" TM

I'd say I middle of the road with it, too. Will know more when I see it again.

[Mike00spy]

"Ooh, I can't wait to see the next Bond film where he lets everyone live!"

That will rock! Oh wait, I'm thinking of the next Driving Miss Daisy film.

or The Dark Knight.

[Safari Suit]

Well, I think doublenoughtspy has an open enough mind to appreciate Bond beyond OHMSS.

Yes, but the implication was that anyone who didn't like the film only appreciates "cartoon" Bonds, which is clearly untrue and unfair.

[K1Bond007]

We call this a revenge film, and I've said as much, but it's also not a revenge film. That's really the interesting thing of the movie. For me, probably more so than most if not all the Bond films, this was all Bond (i.e., Daniel Craig). He drove the entire movie is what I'm saying. The plot was about him, not some take over the world scheme where he jumps in to brave danger and save the world and get the girl, though it had a touch of that. That sort of standard Bond film plot took a back seat to what was going on with Bond. I actually liked that. Of course that route has consequences, some apparently very severe to some including yourself. It makes the villains not as big of a deal as past villains or Bond girls as significant as others, but that wasn't really the heart of the story.

The only problem with the movie in this respect IMO is that it struggles to stand on its own without the help of Casino Royale. Bond films tend to always stand on their own. You can watch Goldfinger before or after Thunderball, it doesn't matter. Quantum of Solace requires Casino Royale, heavily. I suppose you can say it comes off as sort of an interlude or closing chapter before whatever comes next, which again could have a major impact on how people view this movie. I'm sort of surprised by some of the negativity about this movie, but I suspect Bond 23 could redeem it for some of those depending on its direction. This was as I said, sort of an interlude chapter. A piece that struggles to stand on its own. I'm okay with that, personally. Bond will always be back.

[bendertherobot]

It's okay guys we all can have our own opinions.

Absolutely, but when people talk about "Bond spending the same time killing his own people," you start to wonder if the reviewer was paying attention.

When they talk about not seeing Yussef being killed you tend to wonder whether they got the nature of the film at all.

And if they reject character development having failed to see the effects of those two above examples you wonder whether they should even review a film.

[Mister Asterix]

I, for one, am happy to see Eon making film that are daring enough to not appeal to everyone. Sorry though that you got left off this ride, dns. I hope Eon continues to mix it and that you get your turn next time.

[dodge]

Sounds to me like you missed the point of the film. The point is not for Bond to kill him, the point is for Bond to realize that killing him isnt going to make any difference in the grand scheme of things. Therefore he grew as a character.

It's ok you missed that, you're not used to something as simple as character development in a Bond film.

Call me kooky - I enjoy seeing James Bond punish bad people for being bad.

I understand the point they were trying to make. It wasn't the one I would have filmed.

I also don't think it really "helps Bond grow as a character" or whatever. Bond doesn't relish killing, I know that.

Bond has not killed before - TLD comes to mind - for the greater good.

"Ooh, I can't wait to see the next Bond film where he lets everyone live!"

That will rock! Oh wait, I'm thinking of the next Driving Miss Daisy film.

I suppose this will flow into a "any thug can kill", "Bond isn't Rambo" style debate.

But I much rather would have preferred that Bond strangle that SOB with his Algerian love knot, and not have killed the innocent Special Branch Agent - rather than vice versa.

Yes, yes I know - it's meant to show that sometimes innocents die, and Bond realizes that killing isn't everything.

Perhaps Bond realizes that Quantum will come after the boyfriend just like they did with Le Chiffre and Greene, and that the paranoia and wait for the bullet will be worse than the bullet itself.

Sayyyyyy, have you been reading James Patterson...or that earlier book you once read by moiself...resulting in this plethora of one-sentence paragraphs?

In any case, welcome back yet again. You were sorely missed. I'm pleased to be in such good company in my disaffection for this film.

[Judo chop]

We call this a revenge film, and I've said as much, but it's also not a revenge film. That's really the interesting thing of the movie. For me, probably more so than most if not all the Bond films, this was all Bond (i.e., Daniel Craig). He drove the entire movie is what I'm saying. The plot was about him, not some take over the world scheme where he jumps in to brave danger and save the world and get the girl, though it had a touch of that. That sort of standard Bond film plot took a back seat to what was going on with Bond. I actually liked that. Of course that route has consequences, some apparently very severe to some including yourself. It makes the villains not as big of a deal as past villains or Bond girls as significant as others, but that wasn't really the heart of the story.

The only problem with the movie in this respect IMO is that it struggles to stand on its own without the help of Casino Royale. Bond films tend to always stand on their own. You can watch Goldfinger before or after Thunderball, it doesn't matter. Quantum of Solace requires Casino Royale, heavily. I suppose you can say it comes off as sort of an interlude or closing chapter before whatever comes next, which again could have a major impact on how people view this movie. I'm sort of surprised by some of the negativity about this movie, but I suspect Bond 23 could redeem it for some of those depending on its direction. This was as I said, sort of an interlude chapter. A piece that struggles to stand on its own. I'm okay with that, personally. Bond will always be back.

You have a sharpness to your thinking that I can relate to, K1. I wouldn’t be surprised to find out that…




…yes, it’s just as I thought.

You are from Illinois.

[Shadowman]

Bond did kill Greene at the end, even if they didn't show his actual demise. Bond wanted to have him suffer the way Vesper did and to get pay back for putting him through an emotional hell. He knew just shooting him would not not do it, or give him the solace he was looking for. Leaving him in the middle of the desert with a can of oil to drink was perfect. He knew he would either die from that or by the hands of Quantum if they found him (though by that time he would still have suffered). Leaving him a can of oil to drink was also a nice touch, as Greene had killed Agent Fields that way. This whole premise is not original of course...watch The Eiger Sanction with Clint Eastwood (the traitors demise was actually taken right from the novel). However, still a nice cold touch.

[Mister E]

Nope QOS was not OHMSS, it was much better.

[doublenoughtspy]

Nope QOS was not OHMSS, it was much better.

Kindly put away the crack pipe.