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#1 dr. watson

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Posted 02 November 2008 - 02:55 AM

This was going to be a very short review of QoS as I was about to leave the cinema after the first 27 minutes, something I had not done since The Spy Who Loved Me in 1977. Then it was Barbara Bach’s acting , the Jaws character and the puerile Q sequence that spurred my exit. However on this occasion my two friends (both non Bond fans) persuaded me to stay for the duration.

I have to say that I would have gained more enjoyment if they had piled up £125 million of real money, stacked a few twigs around it, stuck a Guy on top and set light to it, than the 106 minutes I spent watching this crap. Graham Rye was right, I also give it 1/10 but that is only because of Judy Dench, without her it would be in the minus category.

The pre credit is so quickly edited you cannot get any idea of what it happening, I kept wanting to yell at the screen PULL BACK!!. I know various cars were smashing into each other but who was doing what to whom was a complete mystery. The end where Bond tells Mr White ‘You better get out” was a damp squib rather than the explosive intro to the main title it should have been. The failings of the theme song have been well documented elsewhere, and the Kleinmanesque credit titles are no substitute for the original.

The Sienna chase was a mess, I could not work out who was who, as it was cut so fast, and I am sure M was shot in the break out. Then we have a scene where Bond picks up Camille and we have lots of unintelligible dialogue at the harbour and that is where I made to leave the cinema as I had lost all interest. In fact even the worst bond films (AVTAK, Octopussy) have dialogue that is worth listening to, but most of the dialogue in Qos, particularly concerning Greene's plan, may as well have been spoken in Swahili for all the good it did.

Having been persuaded to sit it out to the bitter end, a few observations. I could not work out what the plot was, other than it revolved around water, (not sure where the oil came into it) Greene was a real sub villain not worth Bond’s time, there were no identifiable henchmen, in fact I don’t think any of his staff actually had any lines. Who was Camille? Another agent, an independent operator? Maybe I lost interest and missed the signals. People have complained about the product placement. I was not aware of any product placement other than Land Rover, but again maybe I was too far gone to care.

The only scene which did have any worth was the death of Mathis but even this was thrown away, and belonged in a different film. Craig has said they shot the “My name is”
line but it stick out like a sore thumb as being inappropriate, I am not surprised. The admittedly superb gun barrel came slinking along at the end, because the film did not deserve having it open the proceedings. Craig has said he would like to see the series return of Q and Moneypenny, but only once they (the film makers) have earned it. They have certainly not earned the gun barrel. I cannot work out after numerous test screenings, pre screenings etc how no one had the guts to say to the producers, the film was a disaster. Never did I suspect that Die Another Day would have a rival for Worst Bond Film ever made, and I find Die Another Day moving to SECOND place.

As for QoS resolving all the unanswered questions left at the end of Casino Royale.... I am still waiting.It answered nothing.

I am sure there is a Bond film out there, with a great pre credit, Daniel Craig Gun Barrel, great theme and credit titles and a story that is clear concise and exciting to watch… Bond 23 maybe, but I am not holding my breath whilst the existing hierarchy exists.

Casino Royale was a success despite the producers, not because of them. Martin Campbell was the genius behind that success. Get him back for Bond 23 and we have a fighting chance for a worthy successor to Casino Royale. But on the strength of QoS it is clear no one on the creative team has the slightest clue what makes a good film (let alone a good Bond film) but there are people around who could do the job with their eyes closed, their hands tied behind them and with half the budget, and still turn out a Bond film to knock spots off this travesty.

Edited by dr. watson, 02 November 2008 - 03:12 AM.


#2 SolidWaffle

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Posted 02 November 2008 - 03:14 AM

If you walked out of TSWLM, I'm not sure I can trust your judgement.

Now I haven't seen the film. Maybe it's that we have different tastes in Bond films.

#3 ACE

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Posted 02 November 2008 - 03:18 AM

"Quantum of Solace review, it's crap!"

#4 Tarl_Cabot

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Posted 02 November 2008 - 04:35 AM

"Quantum of Solace review, it's crap!"


The only review I care about is mine...you should too...*mine that is*. :(

#5 danh

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Posted 02 November 2008 - 06:11 AM

WHY THIS THREAD IS NOT IN THE SPOILER SECTION????????????

Why did I read YOUR crap and discover spoilers ?

#6 Colossus

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Posted 02 November 2008 - 06:13 AM

My advice then is to stay away form ALL reviews if you haven't seen it buddy!

#7 Qwerty

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Posted 02 November 2008 - 06:20 AM

Topic moved.

#8 stamper

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Posted 02 November 2008 - 06:41 AM

I told you guys... :(

#9 sharpshooter

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Posted 02 November 2008 - 06:45 AM

I think the majority do like the film.

#10 Captain Tightpants

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Posted 02 November 2008 - 06:46 AM

I told you guys... :(

Yeah, I thought you'd be revelling in this. However, your I-told-you-so moment is slightly offset by the barrage of positive reviews other members have been giving. There's about four or five good ones for every negative ...

#11 Harmsway

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Posted 02 November 2008 - 07:16 AM

Martin Campbell was the genius behind that success.

I don't think so. Initially, Campbell wasn't even really that thrilled with Craig and probably would have gone with another actor had it been left to him. And I'm highly doubtful that CASINO ROYALE would have been anywhere near as successful if Craig hadn't been front-and-center.

#12 bondrules

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Posted 02 November 2008 - 07:20 AM

People have complained about the product placement. I was not aware of any product placement other than Land Rover, but again maybe I was too far gone to care.


I have not seen even one review yet of someone complaining about product placement in QoS. To the contrary.

Where are these reviews?





but there are people around who could do the job with their eyes closed, their hands tied behind them and with half the budget, and still turn out a Bond film to knock spots off this travesty.


Who are these ppl?

Edited by bondrules, 02 November 2008 - 07:36 AM.


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Posted 02 November 2008 - 08:49 AM

I think the majority do like the film.

I think the majority are the Bond fans on this and various other Bond sites. What is worrying me the problems highlighted above are spewing in from the general public. The top of the list being confusing plot and editing. I usually don't condone test screenings but I really think this film could have done with one. I know it feels good to elevate yourself above the general public which some people love to do, but I honestly think this will fall down. Even if successful I think they will have a hard problem winning back the people they will alienate after this. Such a shame because Casino Royale did so much to win back people. I will be watching how it does in the States with interest. And if you think (that some of you do) I am writing this with glee you are wrong. I love this series and felt proud when Casino Royale was so universally liked.

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Posted 02 November 2008 - 09:17 AM

Whilst the existing hierarchy still exists......?
Which one....the present one...?
The one that was started by Cubby Broccoli, that passed on to his daughter and stepson when he died......I think taking them out of the equation would be very strange, don't you....?
seen the film, think it's brillant...can't wait to see it again....getting a bit fed up of all the nay-sayers. also agree with that puttinbg spoliers in your review is off...

#15 sharpshooter

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Posted 02 November 2008 - 09:22 AM

What is worrying me the problems highlighted above are spewing in from the general public. The top of the list being confusing plot and editing. I usually don't condone test screenings but I really think this film could have done with one.

I am not fussed with what the general public think. This one is for the Bond fans, and the majority of them love it. It’s about time this series became less self conscious and took some risks.

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Posted 02 November 2008 - 09:54 AM

I told you guys... :(


Yes and you was soo wrong! I've already seen the movie too and it was great. Wait ten years, it will be hailed as a masterpiece.


Why wait ten years? It's a masterpiece

#17 MarkA

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Posted 02 November 2008 - 09:58 AM

I am not fussed with what the general public think.

But if you go that route eventually there will be no Bond movies.

#18 sharpshooter

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Posted 02 November 2008 - 10:09 AM

It seems financially the public has taken this new Bond with open arms. And I think I'd rather have no more Bond films if they went back to what the casual fan wants. Craig and company are just too good.

#19 Harry Fawkes

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Posted 02 November 2008 - 10:16 AM

It seems financially the public has taken this new Bond with open arms. And I think I'd rather have no more Bond films if they went back to what the casual fan wants. Craig and company are just too good.


Well bloody said!!!!

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Posted 02 November 2008 - 10:25 AM

It seems financially the public has taken this new Bond with open arms. And I think I'd rather have no more Bond films if they went back to what the casual fan wants. Craig and company are just too good.

I agree with you so far it is doing well. But I am worried about the bigger picture. All the Bond fans and the people that loved Casino Royale are seeing it at the moment. Lets see whether the box office sustains. And will it have a knock on effect with the next? I don't know, but I am worried. The other thing is that is your opinion on what a good Bond is, not mine. And to the person who said it was a masterpiece. No Bond film is a masterpiece, you need to see a wider scope of films.

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Posted 02 November 2008 - 10:26 AM

I agree with this review.

I do not think the negative reviews are for the fun of it. A lot of fans are very disappointed. I have been a Bond fan for as long as I can remember, have read all the Fleming books, have a collection of Bond memorabilia, eagerly await each Bond movie like no other movies - and this movie sucked!

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Posted 02 November 2008 - 10:36 AM

It seems financially the public has taken this new Bond with open arms. And I think I'd rather have no more Bond films if they went back to what the casual fan wants. Craig and company are just too good.


Agreed. I embrace a Bond film like QoS, which is a complex film made by adults for thinking adults. But I suppose we must allow that some fans prefer gadgets and pussyfoot fights and Carry On-style one-liners.


I told you guys... :(


Indeed you did. And now I've seen the film for myself I know you were utterly wrong (at least in my view).

#23 Bond Bug

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Posted 02 November 2008 - 10:38 AM

It seems financially the public has taken this new Bond with open arms. And I think I'd rather have no more Bond films if they went back to what the casual fan wants. Craig and company are just too good.


Agreed. I embrace a Bond film like QoS, which is a complex film made by adults for thinking adults. But I suppose we must allow that some fans prefer gadgets and pussyfoot fights and Carry On-style one-liners.


That it has broken opening records is not surprising given the size of marketing campaign. That has no relevance to the disappointment many feel.

It is also quite wrong to suggest those who feel the film failed want "gadgets and pussyfoot fights and Carry On-style one-liners."

I am yet to find one person who can explain the plot to "control the world's water supply." Can you, as you are obviously a "thinking adult" ?

#24 stamper

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Posted 02 November 2008 - 10:42 AM

Don't scream victory on day 1 people, by january, when the final numbers are in, then we will know if this movie had legs or not.

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Posted 02 November 2008 - 10:45 AM

It seems financially the public has taken this new Bond with open arms. And I think I'd rather have no more Bond films if they went back to what the casual fan wants. Craig and company are just too good.


Agreed. I embrace a Bond film like QoS, which is a complex film made by adults for thinking adults. But I suppose we must allow that some fans prefer gadgets and pussyfoot fights and Carry On-style one-liners.


That it has broken opening records is not surprising given the size of marketing campaign. That has no relevance to the disappointment many feel.

It is also quite wrong to suggest those who feel the film failed want "gadgets and pussyfoot fights and Carry On-style one-liners."

I am yet to find one person who can explain the plot to "control the world's water supply." Can you, as you are obviously a "thinking adult" ?


The global supply of water is going to be a much greater source of conflict in the next fifty years than the supply of oil and may well be the cause of mass migration. Whoever controls a country's water supply will control said country. There, that wasn't too complex for you, was it? But the plot is secondary in this film to Bond's emotional journey; and rightly so.

#26 sharpshooter

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Posted 02 November 2008 - 10:46 AM

Don't scream victory on day 1 people, by january, when the final numbers are in, then we will know if this movie had legs or not.

Yes, we shall see. I for one want this movie to succeed, I hope others do as well. But let us remember, we do not need a high box office to enjoy the film.

#27 dee-bee-five

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Posted 02 November 2008 - 10:49 AM

Don't scream victory on day 1 people, by january, when the final numbers are in.


You are right to remind us how wrong that would be. Rather like someone - not a million miles away - gleefully screaming "disaster" before day one.

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Posted 02 November 2008 - 10:53 AM

It seems financially the public has taken this new Bond with open arms. And I think I'd rather have no more Bond films if they went back to what the casual fan wants. Craig and company are just too good.


Agreed. I embrace a Bond film like QoS, which is a complex film made by adults for thinking adults. But I suppose we must allow that some fans prefer gadgets and pussyfoot fights and Carry On-style one-liners.


That it has broken opening records is not surprising given the size of marketing campaign. That has no relevance to the disappointment many feel.

It is also quite wrong to suggest those who feel the film failed want "gadgets and pussyfoot fights and Carry On-style one-liners."

I am yet to find one person who can explain the plot to "control the world's water supply." Can you, as you are obviously a "thinking adult" ?


The global supply of water is going to be a much greater source of conflict in the next fifty years than the supply of oil and may well be the cause of mass migration. Whoever controls a country's water supply will control said country. There, that wasn't too complex for you, was it? But the plot is secondary in this film to Bond's emotional journey; and rightly so.


That is stating the obvious. Please explain HOW Quantum are going to "control the world's water supply."

Are they going to build secret dams in every river and every lake in the world? How quick do you think it would take for anyone to find these dams?

#29 dee-bee-five

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Posted 02 November 2008 - 10:58 AM

It seems financially the public has taken this new Bond with open arms. And I think I'd rather have no more Bond films if they went back to what the casual fan wants. Craig and company are just too good.


Agreed. I embrace a Bond film like QoS, which is a complex film made by adults for thinking adults. But I suppose we must allow that some fans prefer gadgets and pussyfoot fights and Carry On-style one-liners.


That it has broken opening records is not surprising given the size of marketing campaign. That has no relevance to the disappointment many feel.

It is also quite wrong to suggest those who feel the film failed want "gadgets and pussyfoot fights and Carry On-style one-liners."

I am yet to find one person who can explain the plot to "control the world's water supply." Can you, as you are obviously a "thinking adult" ?


The global supply of water is going to be a much greater source of conflict in the next fifty years than the supply of oil and may well be the cause of mass migration. Whoever controls a country's water supply will control said country. There, that wasn't too complex for you, was it? But the plot is secondary in this film to Bond's emotional journey; and rightly so.


That is stating the obvious. Please explain HOW Quantum are going to "control the world's water supply."


You're missing the point. For the purposes of this movie, I don't need to know. Quantum of Solace is about James Bond's emotional journey, not Quantum's nefarious scheme. But clearly this concept is beyond the grasp of some and all we're doing is going round in circles.

#30 Bond Bug

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Posted 02 November 2008 - 11:04 AM

It seems financially the public has taken this new Bond with open arms. And I think I'd rather have no more Bond films if they went back to what the casual fan wants. Craig and company are just too good.


Agreed. I embrace a Bond film like QoS, which is a complex film made by adults for thinking adults. But I suppose we must allow that some fans prefer gadgets and pussyfoot fights and Carry On-style one-liners.


That it has broken opening records is not surprising given the size of marketing campaign. That has no relevance to the disappointment many feel.

It is also quite wrong to suggest those who feel the film failed want "gadgets and pussyfoot fights and Carry On-style one-liners."

I am yet to find one person who can explain the plot to "control the world's water supply." Can you, as you are obviously a "thinking adult" ?


The global supply of water is going to be a much greater source of conflict in the next fifty years than the supply of oil and may well be the cause of mass migration. Whoever controls a country's water supply will control said country. There, that wasn't too complex for you, was it? But the plot is secondary in this film to Bond's emotional journey; and rightly so.


That is stating the obvious. Please explain HOW Quantum are going to "control the world's water supply."


You're missing the point. For the purposes of this movie, I don't need to know. Quantum of Solace is about James Bond's emotional journey, not Quantum's nefarious scheme. But clearly this concept is beyond the grasp of some and all we're doing is going round in circles.


If you didn't need to know what the bad guy was doing and if it the plot made sense or not, because the movie had so much depth in Bond's emotional journey, that's fair enough. Do you even know if Bond got the right guy? Or doesn't that matter either?