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[double o ego]

I was disappointed with Greene's demise - a deleted scene had a helicopter saving Greene from the desert - I think this would have been a better outcome - which would have left it open to whether they wanted Greene to return in a future film.

That idea is full of fail.

I thought that Greene was one of the worst 007 baddies,totally without menace or presence.Same to be said of the henchmen who look & act like failed nighclub bouncers.Mr White come across as the most sinister person in the movie.For goodness sake Strawberry Fields does more harm to the henchman that 007,at least she puts him in a neckbrace!!
This of course is for me why Quantum fails to deliver,the enemy is not so threatening.So for me Kamal Khan is no longer the weakest of the 007 villians!

Sorry but no crazy space lairs with satellite lazer beams pointed at the earth this time.

[Nicolas Suszczyk]

I liked Greene. Elvis wasn't a good villain, but Greene was awesome!

[AgentBentley]

Greene is ok as a bad guy, but we don't need him back. Mr. White will do perfectly, in combination with some other new villain, Haines or Yusef.

[sharpshooter]

I like the fact that the main villains in CR and QoS are just cogs in a larger wheel. They're more quiet, sinister types under pressure and not in complete control. They're also relatively normal people, making it harder to distinguish them. Reality is far more disturbing than fantasy. It's a welcome breath of fresh air.

[Nicolas Suszczyk]

And we needed that, Sharpshooter. After Graves' super Iracus suit, we needeed to make people understand that Bond lives in a "real" world. People should know that Bond perhaps is not a real life character, but he can fight against serious organizations. I'm really glad of not seeing Bond against Al Qaeda à la the North American movies, I mean Bond not fighting against "that" terrorists. The Quantum organization is a superb mixture of classy, professional and ruthless people.

[DaveBond21]

I love Greene's fate. It's one of the best villain demises of all. It's great that Bond knows exactly what will happen to him, and tells him so.

Greene realises he must escape and hopes he won't be captured by Quantum. Imagine how thirsty he was, limping through the desert? Eventually he decides he needs to drink something. He smashes the motor oil open, against a rock. He sees the liquid and his mouth begs for a sip. He begins to drink the oil and vomits most of it up. But he needs to drink more. His belly aching, he limps on, and then a helicopter arrives.....they've found him. His last thought as they shoot him in the back of the head is "That damn Bond".

[Licence_007]

Whilst I appreciate the point made earlier that each villian in the past two films has simply been a cog in a much larger wheel, it doesn't mean they have to be completely unmemorable and plain boring like they are. Did anyone ever think Greene might for one instant get the best of Bond? Did you hell. He was totally without menace. At least Le Chiffre had Bond in a position of real danger more than once.

[Tybre]

Whilst I appreciate the point made earlier that each villian in the past two films has simply been a cog in a much larger wheel, it doesn't mean they have to be completely unmemorable and plain boring like they are. Did anyone ever think Greene might for one instant get the best of Bond? Did you hell. He was totally without menace. At least Le Chiffre had Bond in a position of real danger more than once.

I think at this point, no one ever truly believes the villain is going to get the best of Bond.

[Licence_007]

Whilst I appreciate the point made earlier that each villian in the past two films has simply been a cog in a much larger wheel, it doesn't mean they have to be completely unmemorable and plain boring like they are. Did anyone ever think Greene might for one instant get the best of Bond? Did you hell. He was totally without menace. At least Le Chiffre had Bond in a position of real danger more than once.

I think at this point, no one ever truly believes the villain is going to get the best of Bond.

Well of course. I don't mean the best of Bond ultimately, but there should be times in the film where you think to yourself, "christ, he's really got him here, wonder how this will pan out". I just felt those sort of moments were missing with Greene and in QoS in general.

[B. Brown]

I like Amalric. I think he's a great actor.

As far as his Bond villain goes, I think he was quite believable. No metal teeth, super strength, or bleeding eye. Just a slimy b@st@rd.

[byline]

Whilst I appreciate the point made earlier that each villian in the past two films has simply been a cog in a much larger wheel, it doesn't mean they have to be completely unmemorable and plain boring like they are. Did anyone ever think Greene might for one instant get the best of Bond? Did you hell. He was totally without menace. At least Le Chiffre had Bond in a position of real danger more than once.

I think at this point, no one ever truly believes the villain is going to get the best of Bond.

Well of course. I don't mean the best of Bond ultimately, but there should be times in the film where you think to yourself, "christ, he's really got him here, wonder how this will pan out".

My thoughts, exactly, when he started swinging that ax around.

[Licence_007]

My thoughts, exactly, when he started swinging that ax around.

Well that's fair enough, but it just seemed to me that Bond had turned into some sort of Bourne-esque fighter by this point that there was no chance of him losing. He looked far too bullet-proof in fights. Using hardback books etc, I was suprised he didn't strangle Greene with a shoe lace or something.

[byline]

My thoughts, exactly, when he started swinging that ax around.

Well that's fair enough, but it just seemed to me that Bond had turned into some sort of Bourne-esque fighter by this point that there was no chance of him losing. He looked far too bullet-proof in fights. Using hardback books etc, I was suprised he didn't strangle Greene with a shoe lace or something.

Well . . . for better or worse, isn't that true of Bond in pretty much every film in the series? I certainly don't think this is anything that came about because of Bourne; Bond has always been practically invulnerable almost from the get-go.

[Mr. Blofeld]

My thoughts, exactly, when he started swinging that ax around.

Well that's fair enough, but it just seemed to me that Bond had turned into some sort of Bourne-esque fighter by this point that there was no chance of him losing. He looked far too bullet-proof in fights. Using hardback books etc, I was suprised he didn't strangle Greene with a shoe lace or something.

Well . . . for better or worse, isn't that true of Bond in pretty much every film in the series? I certainly don't think this is anything that came about because of Bourne; Bond has always been practically invulnerable almost from the get-go.

He manages to get a bullet in the ankle in Thunderball, but apparently that goes away after a while...

[Licence_007]

Well I can't remember Bond fighting like that before Casino Royale to be honest.

[Tybre]

My thoughts, exactly, when he started swinging that ax around.

Well that's fair enough, but it just seemed to me that Bond had turned into some sort of Bourne-esque fighter by this point that there was no chance of him losing. He looked far too bullet-proof in fights. Using hardback books etc, I was suprised he didn't strangle Greene with a shoe lace or something.

Well . . . for better or worse, isn't that true of Bond in pretty much every film in the series? I certainly don't think this is anything that came about because of Bourne; Bond has always been practically invulnerable almost from the get-go.

He manages to get a bullet in the ankle in Thunderball, but apparently that goes away after a while...

And it magically hops legs before going poof

[DaveBond21]

Well I can't remember Bond fighting like that before Casino Royale to be honest.

People always say they love the fight with Grant on the train in FRWL, and the fight with Trevelyan at the end of Goldeneye, though.

[Bucky]

with regard to villains getting the best of bond. if they decide to bring back a character similar to blofeld, if not blofeld himself, i wouldnt mind seeing him actually succeed in his plan for a movie, preferably the second to last for craig, causing innocent deaths, maybe even the death of felix or someone else close to bond.

i say this because i want craig's last film to be an adaptation of you only live twice but at the beginning of that he needs to be kind of messed up emotionally but i dont think that i would want to have tracy brought back to die again so maybe they could do that to make him unsure of himself and set up an awesome final film for craig where he gets his revenge and finally brings down his nemesis.

[Licence_007]

Well I can't remember Bond fighting like that before Casino Royale to be honest.

People always say they love the fight with Grant on the train in FRWL, and the fight with Trevelyan at the end of Goldeneye, though.

Yeah but the fight against Grant is just outright brutal and quite gritty. None of this fast-paced, grab the spider plant in the corner and strangle one henchman with it whilst blocking a machete with his wristwatch.


I also love how everyone Bond fights is at least quite apt at fighting regardless of who they are. Not one seems to be put down with a punch or two.

[baerrtt]

My thoughts, exactly, when he started swinging that ax around.

Well that's fair enough, but it just seemed to me that Bond had turned into some sort of Bourne-esque fighter by this point that there was no chance of him losing. He looked far too bullet-proof in fights. Using hardback books etc, I was suprised he didn't strangle Greene with a shoe lace or something.

Bond is a trained fighter and has always looked bullet proof in fights unless he's been fighting genetically enhanced supermen. The fighting style of Craig's Bond is far more realistic, to today's military standards, than say Moore's Bond taking out several people at once with weak looking karate chops and punches which by ATVAK became laughable.

[Licence_007]

My thoughts, exactly, when he started swinging that ax around.

Well that's fair enough, but it just seemed to me that Bond had turned into some sort of Bourne-esque fighter by this point that there was no chance of him losing. He looked far too bullet-proof in fights. Using hardback books etc, I was suprised he didn't strangle Greene with a shoe lace or something.

Bond is a trained fighter and has always looked bullet proof in fights unless he's been fighting genetically enhanced supermen. The fighting style of Craig's Bond is far more realistic, to today's military standards, than say Moore's Bond taking out several people at once with weak looking karate chops and punches which by ATVAK became laughable.

Be that as it may, his fights shouldn't last as long then unless he is up against someone of similar training. Instead everyone and their cat is able to have at least a minute long battle with him. Dominic Greene, the black guys in CR, the hitman in the hotel room and I'm sure I'm missing a couple. Everyone of them seems to be able to hold their own against someone that is meant to be trained to such an extent that you can't touch him. I want to see him just straight up knock someone out with a right hook after dodging a punch.

Everyone in this Bond's world seems to be a trained fighter regardless of who they are. Realism or not, it just seems too flashy and boring for me. I prefer a raw battle like Grant/Bond to the ones we're getting now.

Edited by Licence_007, 03 July 2009 - 03:18 PM.

[The Shark]

My thoughts, exactly, when he started swinging that ax around.

Well that's fair enough, but it just seemed to me that Bond had turned into some sort of Bourne-esque fighter by this point that there was no chance of him losing. He looked far too bullet-proof in fights. Using hardback books etc, I was surprised he didn't strangle Greene with a shoe lace or something.

Bond is a trained fighter and has always looked bullet proof in fights unless he's been fighting genetically enhanced supermen. The fighting style of Craig's Bond is far more realistic, to today's military standards, than say Moore's Bond taking out several people at once with weak looking karate chops and punches which by ATVAK became laughable.

Be that as it may, his fights shouldn't last as long then unless he is up against someone of similar training. Instead everyone and their cat is able to have at least a minute long battle with him. Dominic Greene, the black guys in CR, the hitman in the hotel room and I'm sure I'm missing a couple. Everyone of them seems to be able to hold their own against someone that is meant to be trained to such an extent that you can't touch him. I want to see him just straight up knock someone out with a right hook after dodging a punch.

Everyone in this Bond's world seems to be a trained fighter regardless of who they are. Realism or not, it just seems too flashy and boring for me. I prefer a raw battle like Grant/Bond to the ones we're getting now.

Aren't you negating your own point - wasn't Grant a highly trained fighter - a homicidal paranoiac?

There's many people in CR and QOS who are got rid of quickly - the motorbike guy "Well I missed!" VOOOM! SMASH!, the MI6 agents in the lift - taken down in a couple of seconds, the CIA SAD guy knocked out in the bar, several thugs at the opera, the heavies in the sinking house etc..

Edited by The Shark, 03 July 2009 - 05:40 PM.

[Licence_007]

After reading my posts I'm not sure my point is coming out the way I want it to. I think I might as well just say it all boils down to a dislike of the fighting style in new Bond films.