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#31 Mister E

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Posted 11 September 2008 - 02:31 AM

And Greene is not a pawn


I didn't claim he was. I think he is going to establish a rivarly in future Bond films.


A while ago I was toying with a concept for a fan fiction that had some backstory about Quantum in it, and his is what I had come up with:

Quantum started early in the twentieth century as the Phoebus cartel, fixing the price of lightglobes, and making an absolute killing from it. During the stock market crash of 1929, they were by good fortune some of the few who actually made a profit. They did not manipulate the economy, which would later become a favoured tactic, but rather survived by pure chance. The cartel formally disbanded during the Great Depression, but resurrected themsevles under a new name seeral years later. By this time, their influence had extended across the Atlantic Ocean and into Europe, and it was implied that they were a part of installing Adolf Hitler into power. During World War II, the organisation was a part of the military-industrial complex, but were actually supplying both sides of the war.

They disbanded again once the war was over, and re-formed themselves to become instrumental in clearing up Europe after the bombs had stopped falling. They made even more money clearing up the destruction they had sown, and returned to supplying weapons during the arms race. Many events of the Cold War, such as the Cambridge Five, were simply ploys by the organisation, selling secrets between the Americans and the Soviets to keep the arms race even and the deamnd for weapons high. They managed to draw the Cold War out for as long as possible, but eventually the Soviet economy came to a grinding halt and the Berlin Wall fell. Proxy wars in Vietnam and Korea had been their trademark, but the group that would come to be known as Quantum learned quickly. They had no part in the 1972 Munich Massacre or many of the early terrorist groups, but they saw the potential in it and in the 1990s they were responsible for many of the conflicts that ravaged Africa. Likewise, they engineered the Asian Economic Crisis, making billions of dollars.

With the turn of the millenium, the group disbanded for the fifth time in ther history, and re-forged themslves as Quantum. As M described in Casino Royale, they were the ones repsonible for the September Eleven attacks, their most public display of their workings. They spent time funding terror groups and then arming the Americans, trying to create a new Cold War scenario out of the War on Terror, and when that war ended, they would win the re-building contracts like the ones in Iraq.

This is where the caonocity ends and my story begins: the Senior Management of Quantum are worried that with the world becoming smaller, it will be easier for them to be found, and so they adoptd a new tactic. They sought to not only carve their own private fiefdom out of an existing nation, but to become and economic power in their own right. To this end, Dominic Greene is tasked with overthrowing the Bolivian government and seizing control of the water supply. But Bolivia is just the beginning ...

Blessed with the world's largest remaining reserves of crude oil, a large section of central Russia declares its independence from Moscow. And an oil-thirsty Kremlin, its resources spent on the war in Georgia (also created by Quantum to have the Russians distractd) has no choice but to acknowledge them, for the alternative is to lay siege to the "Central Siberan Republic". Quantum are responsible, seeking to control the last reserves of oil and are looking to establish themselves as being in control of the post-oil economy. Elsewhere, they become the largest suppliers of arms and armaments in the world, control private military corporations, manipulate economies so that entire nations are dependent upon them for survival, seize control of the healthcare sector by tainting pre-established medicines and establish their own companies, break into the informaton and media markets and so on, looking to replace the pillars of modern society with themselves.

However, given the load of assignments I have going on, I had to put the story on hold ...


I like it ! :(

#32 Vauxhall

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Posted 11 September 2008 - 02:32 AM

And Greene is not a pawn

I didn't claim he was. I think he is going to establish a rivarly in future Bond films.

Hmm, I'd like to think so too, but I really can't imagine Amalric returning for another movie. He's not even going to be able spend much time promoting QUANTUM OF SOLACE due to his many other commitments.

#33 Mister E

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Posted 11 September 2008 - 02:35 AM

And Greene is not a pawn

I didn't claim he was. I think he is going to establish a rivarly in future Bond films.

Hmm, I'd like to think so too, but I really can't imagine Amalric returning for another movie. He's not even going to be able spend much time promoting QUANTUM OF SOLACE due to his many other commitments.


That dosen't mean he won't return, he just has commitments. This is just a theory but his character might develop like Blofeld did in YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE, completetly insane and bitter. I am pretty sure that will attract Amalric back to the role in the future films.

#34 tdalton

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Posted 11 September 2008 - 02:38 AM

I don't see Amalric returning in future films (simply because I can't imagine an actor of his quality wanting to continuously return to an action series in the role of a villain), nor do I think that it would be a good idea to have Craig have a recurring Blofeld-type character for him to face off against in film after film. I don't see Craig doing as many films as either Connery or Moore, and I would certainly like to see Craig's tenure in the role have at least one standalone film rather than having his sole nemesis be the Quantum organization.

#35 Mister E

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Posted 11 September 2008 - 03:01 AM

I don't see Amalric returning in future films (simply because I can't imagine an actor of his quality wanting to continuously return to an action series in the role of a villain), nor do I think that it would be a good idea to have Craig have a recurring Blofeld-type character for him to face off against in film after film. I don't see Craig doing as many films as either Connery or Moore, and I would certainly like to see Craig's tenure in the role have at least one standalone film rather than having his sole nemesis be the Quantum organization.


I am not suggesting his reprisals should be like Blofeld. I only say Blofeld because that is the most popular re-occuring Bond villian we all know. If Greene does develop as a character and end up like we saw Blofeld in YOLT I am pretty sure it will interest Amalric to reprise the role.

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Posted 11 September 2008 - 10:57 AM

It would be interesting if White was revealed to be the head of Quantum all along. Imagine how Bond would feel if he allowed White slip through his fingers and send him on a wild goose chase!

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Posted 11 September 2008 - 11:00 AM

It would be interesting if White was revealed to be the head of Quantum all along. Imagine how Bond would feel if he allowed White slip through his fingers and send him on a wild goose chase!

Not a bad idea at all. Much like the case with Benjamin Linus in Lost.

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Posted 11 September 2008 - 11:04 AM

A while ago I was toying with a concept for a fan fiction that had some backstory about Quantum in it, and his is what I had come up with:

Quantum started early in the twentieth century as the Phoebus cartel, fixing the price of lightglobes, and making an absolute killing from it. During the stock market crash of 1929, they were by good fortune some of the few who actually made a profit. They did not manipulate the economy, which would later become a favoured tactic, but rather survived by pure chance. The cartel formally disbanded during the Great Depression, but resurrected themsevles under a new name seeral years later. By this time, their influence had extended across the Atlantic Ocean and into Europe, and it was implied that they were a part of installing Adolf Hitler into power. During World War II, the organisation was a part of the military-industrial complex, but were actually supplying both sides of the war.

They disbanded again once the war was over, and re-formed themselves to become instrumental in clearing up Europe after the bombs had stopped falling. They made even more money clearing up the destruction they had sown, and returned to supplying weapons during the arms race. Many events of the Cold War, such as the Cambridge Five, were simply ploys by the organisation, selling secrets between the Americans and the Soviets to keep the arms race even and the deamnd for weapons high. They managed to draw the Cold War out for as long as possible, but eventually the Soviet economy came to a grinding halt and the Berlin Wall fell. Proxy wars in Vietnam and Korea had been their trademark, but the group that would come to be known as Quantum learned quickly. They had no part in the 1972 Munich Massacre or many of the early terrorist groups, but they saw the potential in it and in the 1990s they were responsible for many of the conflicts that ravaged Africa. Likewise, they engineered the Asian Economic Crisis, making billions of dollars.

With the turn of the millenium, the group disbanded for the fifth time in ther history, and re-forged themslves as Quantum. As M described in Casino Royale, they were the ones repsonible for the September Eleven attacks, their most public display of their workings. They spent time funding terror groups and then arming the Americans, trying to create a new Cold War scenario out of the War on Terror, and when that war ended, they would win the re-building contracts like the ones in Iraq.

This is where the caonocity ends and my story begins: the Senior Management of Quantum are worried that with the world becoming smaller, it will be easier for them to be found, and so they adoptd a new tactic. They sought to not only carve their own private fiefdom out of an existing nation, but to become and economic power in their own right. To this end, Dominic Greene is tasked with overthrowing the Bolivian government and seizing control of the water supply. But Bolivia is just the beginning ...

Blessed with the world's largest remaining reserves of crude oil, a large section of central Russia declares its independence from Moscow. And an oil-thirsty Kremlin, its resources spent on the war in Georgia (also created by Quantum to have the Russians distractd) has no choice but to acknowledge them, for the alternative is to lay siege to the "Central Siberan Republic". Quantum are responsible, seeking to control the last reserves of oil and are looking to establish themselves as being in control of the post-oil economy. Elsewhere, they become the largest suppliers of arms and armaments in the world, control private military corporations, manipulate economies so that entire nations are dependent upon them for survival, seize control of the healthcare sector by tainting pre-established medicines and establish their own companies, break into the informaton and media markets and so on, looking to replace the pillars of modern society with themselves.

However, given the load of assignments I have going on, I had to put the story on hold ...


Interesting stuff, Captain. You should run with that. :(

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Posted 11 September 2008 - 11:05 AM

It would be interesting if White was revealed to be the head of Quantum all along. Imagine how Bond would feel if he allowed White slip through his fingers and send him on a wild goose chase!


So White lives at the end, too?

On the other hand, White seems like an assistant, a banker. Would he really be respected by the big honchos behind such a big organization? And wouldn´t he send someone to pick up the money (in CR)?

I think Greene, should he survive, could very well reappear. And Almaric definitely would come back - it´s a franchise role with repeat money. Any actor would love that.

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Posted 11 September 2008 - 11:23 AM

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Just kidding

I don't see Craig doing as many films as either Connery or Moore


I'm betting he will...

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Posted 11 September 2008 - 11:27 AM

I don't see Craig doing as many films as either Connery or Moore


I'm betting he will...

He really deserves a long tenture, though I'm betting he will not do as many as Connery or Moore. Just a guess, but I think he'll end up with four.

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Posted 11 September 2008 - 12:51 PM

I guess Craig will not stay on for the sake of being Bond longer than the other actors. He won´t risk overstaying his welcome (like dear Roger). And he won´t bitch about the role like Sean. And he won´t have to complain about the producers not taking chances like Pierce because - hey, they are taking chances because they have smelled the roses and want their actor to be happy with the films.

So a third film is pretty much assured. A fourth film at this stage is a maybe.

If Bond 23 is released in 2010 or 2011, then Bond 24 will be out in 2012 or 2013.

By then, Craig is 45 years old. Still okay for Bond. And maybe he will end his tenure with the anniversary Bond 25.

However, Craig might opt out of the franchise because after four films there won´t be much room left for him to explore within the character. And EON might use the anniversary Bond 25 to start anew with another actor.

By then the head of QUANTUM is surely revealed. :(

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Posted 11 September 2008 - 01:56 PM

I don't see Amalric returning in future films (simply because I can't imagine an actor of his quality wanting to continuously return to an action series in the role of a villain), nor do I think that it would be a good idea to have Craig have a recurring Blofeld-type character for him to face off against in film after film. I don't see Craig doing as many films as either Connery or Moore, and I would certainly like to see Craig's tenure in the role have at least one standalone film rather than having his sole nemesis be the Quantum organization.


I could imagine Almaric returning one more time.

I think Craig is doing 4 films (maybe 5 if he's happy with the scripts at that point). That would leave room for 1 standalone film and a second film with Almaric. If Bond 23 is standalone, and Bond 24 is the rematch with Greene, then that would give Almaric time to pursue other acting challenges before his second (and probably final) Bond outing.

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Posted 11 September 2008 - 03:00 PM

It would be interesting if White was revealed to be the head of Quantum all along. Imagine how Bond would feel if he allowed White slip through his fingers and send him on a wild goose chase!


I would hate that really. I think we are better off with no specific leader at all.

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Posted 11 September 2008 - 03:10 PM

I guess Craig will not stay on for the sake of being Bond longer than the other actors. He won´t risk overstaying his welcome (like dear Roger). And he won´t bitch about the role like Sean. And he won´t have to complain about the producers not taking chances like Pierce because - hey, they are taking chances because they have smelled the roses and want their actor to be happy with the films.

So a third film is pretty much assured. A fourth film at this stage is a maybe.

If Bond 23 is released in 2010 or 2011, then Bond 24 will be out in 2012 or 2013.

By then, Craig is 45 years old. Still okay for Bond. And maybe he will end his tenure with the anniversary Bond 25.

However, Craig might opt out of the franchise because after four films there won´t be much room left for him to explore within the character. And EON might use the anniversary Bond 25 to start anew with another actor.

I have a feeling that they will take a 4 year break and release Craig's third and final Bondfilm in 2012. The 50th Anniversary year.

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Posted 11 September 2008 - 03:11 PM

I guess Craig will not stay on for the sake of being Bond longer than the other actors. He won´t risk overstaying his welcome (like dear Roger). And he won´t bitch about the role like Sean. And he won´t have to complain about the producers not taking chances like Pierce because - hey, they are taking chances because they have smelled the roses and want their actor to be happy with the films.

So a third film is pretty much assured. A fourth film at this stage is a maybe.

If Bond 23 is released in 2010 or 2011, then Bond 24 will be out in 2012 or 2013.

By then, Craig is 45 years old. Still okay for Bond. And maybe he will end his tenure with the anniversary Bond 25.

However, Craig might opt out of the franchise because after four films there won´t be much room left for him to explore within the character. And EON might use the anniversary Bond 25 to start anew with another actor.

By then the head of QUANTUM is surely revealed. :)

Bang on :( Thats exactly how I see it.
I think as long at DC is happy, he will take the option for a Fourth.
I think the head of Quantum will be revealed by DCs third, and he won't be stroking a cat. Pure guessing/gut reaction though :)

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Posted 11 September 2008 - 03:13 PM

I have a feeling that they will take a 4 year break and release Craig's third and final Bondfilm in 2012. The 50th Anniversary year.


That would be pretty dumb. Wait four years with no new Bond actor ? They would take that long of a break when Craig leaves.

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Posted 11 September 2008 - 05:32 PM

I have a feeling that they will take a 4 year break and release Craig's third and final Bondfilm in 2012. The 50th Anniversary year.


That would be pretty dumb. Wait four years with no new Bond actor ? They would take that long of a break when Craig leaves.

But Wilson wanted a longer break, which means at least 3 years. So maybe they will wait until 2012, or at least consider it. It probably depends much on the success of QOS. If it take more money than CR (more than $650,000,000) then I think they will try to get a new Bondfilm out faster.

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Posted 11 September 2008 - 05:34 PM

I have a feeling that they will take a 4 year break and release Craig's third and final Bondfilm in 2012. The 50th Anniversary year.


That would be pretty dumb. Wait four years with no new Bond actor ? They would take that long of a break when Craig leaves.

But Wilson wanted a longer break, which means at least 3 years. So maybe they will wait until 2012, or at least consider it. It probably depends much on the success of QOS. If it take more money than CR (more than $650,000,000) then I think they will try to get a new Bondfilm out faster.


I don't think they really care about the 50th aniversary that much.

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Posted 11 September 2008 - 05:37 PM

Spoiler


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Posted 12 September 2008 - 01:03 AM

Yes, Tim Piggott-Smith might be a part of it. We shall see...

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Posted 12 September 2008 - 04:43 AM

Dramatically, a single ringleader may be more satisfying, especially if at some point there's a final showdown between him/her and Bond. But there's something creepy about a decentralized network that has infiltrated many centers of power so that no matter how many operatives you round up, there might always be more. And it would be intriguing to see how such an organization could ever be defeated (assuming that's the filmmakers' intention, which may not be the case--after all, SPECTRE was a recurring presence in the '60s Bonds, with no particular expectation that it would ever be expunged). I suppose if enough of the key Quantum leaders in government and finance are exposed, the network could lose its power base and start to crumble. Not sure how that kind of thing would translate into an effective climax for a Bond film--but the Craig films seem to be breaking with tradition in a number of ways, so anything's possible.

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Posted 12 September 2008 - 04:58 AM

Nena Blofeld is the head of Quantum. You heard it here first.

On a more serious note, do we know if it's QUANTUM (an acronym) or just Quantum?

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Posted 12 September 2008 - 05:00 AM

On a more serious note, do we know if it's QUANTUM (an acronym) or just Quantum?


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Posted 12 September 2008 - 06:38 AM

On a more serious note, do we know if it's QUANTUM (an acronym) or just Quantum?


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I thought this was obvious, y'know.

How handy that an acronym can have a "u" after the "Q". :(