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[Captain Tightpants]

You haven't got any basis on which to call them liars at all, quite the opposite in fact. Ridiculous.

And you've got less precedent on which to call them truthful. The tabloid papers have a history of inventing stories - that Craig can't drive manual, that he had teeth kicked out, that the production of the film came under thread from gang wars and riots that the film crew may well have started indirectly - and there were months between their initial "facts" and Ronson's announcement. Sure, they may well have had a genuine source way back when ... but there's a history of rumour-mongering and creative writing at the tabloids that make me think this is a rare occasion when they get it right well in advance. In this universe, effect follows cause, not the other way around.

I don't think anyone needs educating on the tendency of tabloids to occasionally make stuff up. But that doesn't mean they only make stuff up.

Clearly on this occasion they had a source and reported accurately. They got it right.

But this story first came to light months ago with The Sun saying it was a done deal, and going by the comments in the other thread, Winehouse's song is an independent submission. They completely contradict one another.

[marktmurphy]

But this story first came to light months ago with The Sun saying it was a done deal, and going by the comments in the other thread, Winehouse's song is an independent submission. They completely contradict one another.

23 days ago, actually. When they were in the studio together. Whose facts are shoddy again?

Ronson says Amy was asked to do it- The Sun said it would feature in the film and be 'the' title song- not exacly a complete contradiction. Not the pure facts, no, but I'd like to see you scoop a story perfectly without talking to any of the main players and without them wanting to tell you.

They got the story right- just live with it.

[zstoneVII]

http://news.bbc.co.u...ent/7371949.stm

[gazarama]

If Winehouse does get the gig to sing the theme toon, and then she gets banged up in prison for 6 months, then she won't be the singer!!

[Captain Tightpants]

But this story first came to light months ago with The Sun saying it was a done deal, and going by the comments in the other thread, Winehouse's song is an independent submission. They completely contradict one another.

23 days ago, actually. When they were in the studio together. Whose facts are shoddy again?

Ronson says Amy was asked to do it- The Sun said it would feature in the film and be 'the' title song- not exacly a complete contradiction. Not the pure facts, no, but I'd like to see you scoop a story perfectly without talking to any of the main players and without them wanting to tell you.

They got the story right- just live with it.

I'm talking about the first stories, not the one that broke less than a month ago. Tabloids - not just The Sun - have been linking Winehouse to the theme for months. You can't tell me they were right back then.

[Qwerty]

Now on the CBn main page...

Mark Ronson Confirms Amy Winehouse Bond Theme Rumours

'Hopefully it will get used. We're working on it and we'll see happens...'

[tim partridge]

Me too. There is actually no-one else remotely capable today of doing a Bond song that is a) a performer known very well in the States (for the right reasons, i.e. the music) and someone that brings a cache to the film.

Michael Buble?

Leona Lewis (she's no different to Sheena Easton)?

I still think they really blew it ignoring Buble in favour of we know his name (apparently) on CASINO ROYALE.

Buble's a bit cheesy and light-entertainment, isn't he? Just a sort of covers guy doing what people did 50 years ago. Can't say that I'd be interested in him doing a Bond theme.

Um, as oppose to Amy Winehouse, who ISN'T some emporer's new clothes Northern Soul throwback?? Mark Ronson, who isn't just recycling the old Motown sound by way of old Northern Soul and Brit Ska?

I also don't agree with this nonsense that "rock best represents Craig". None of the previous Bonds had a pigeonholed pop musical genre for their songs.

[Donovan Mayne-Nicholls]

I would hope that whoever writes it collaborates with David Arnold....

Same here. I don't care at all for the songs that have been written by the artists and their producers (LTK, TND, DAD). Only songs where the composer is involved can be said to be true Bond songs.

[marktmurphy]

But this story first came to light months ago with The Sun saying it was a done deal, and going by the comments in the other thread, Winehouse's song is an independent submission. They completely contradict one another.

23 days ago, actually. When they were in the studio together. Whose facts are shoddy again?

Ronson says Amy was asked to do it- The Sun said it would feature in the film and be 'the' title song- not exacly a complete contradiction. Not the pure facts, no, but I'd like to see you scoop a story perfectly without talking to any of the main players and without them wanting to tell you.

They got the story right- just live with it.

I'm talking about the first stories, not the one that broke less than a month ago. Tabloids - not just The Sun - have been linking Winehouse to the theme for months. You can't tell me they were right back then.

Ah right- goalpost moving, eh? I see.
So The Sun said this, did they? Bring a link along if you have it. Yes, there have been earlier speculative stories because everyone sees how good a fit she would be going on her recent form. They probably kick started the whole process. The April 5th story by The Sun was right- you're saying it wasn't; I'm yet to see your proof of that.

Same here. I don't care at all for the songs that have been written by the artists and their producers (LTK, TND, DAD). Only songs where the composer is involved can be said to be true Bond songs.

True- From Russia With Love and Live and Let Die were rubbish, weren't they?

[col_007]

don't want that smackhead anywhere near bond thanks very much

[Zorin Industries]

Yeah- that makes it sound quite strong- if they suggested that she come up with something. She's playing well to ask to do it with Ronson too.

Even if it doesn't get chosen I hope we get the chance to hear it at some point- I'd love to hear a Bond theme from those two.

Me too. There is actually no-one else remotely capable today of doing a Bond song that is a) a performer known very well in the States (for the right reasons, i.e. the music) and someone that brings a cache to the film.

Michael Buble?

Leona Lewis (she's no different to Sheena Easton)?

I still think they really blew it ignoring Buble in favour of we know his name (apparently) on CASINO ROYALE.

Leona Lewis and Micheal Buble have zilch cache. They are competent dullards. They are very much in the camp that would provide a closing credits song for some animated PRINCE OF PERSIA or something equally safe. Having a good voice is not the same as having any creative depth and musical clout. Bond singers need attitude, not overmanaging.

And how on earth would a bland housewives favourite like Buble serve a newly masculinised 007? He's a dull crooner latching onto the crooning wave about ten years too late. It was old hat when Robbie Williams was doing it. No.

Leona Lewis did indeed win a TV talent show like Sheena Easton, but the latter was a sturdy performer who had some edge when she was interviewed and summed up the pop music of 1981. There is nothing definitive about Leona Lewis. She just got lucky because Oprah liked her enough to plug an album on air. Lewis has a solid voice, but she is soulless. She doesn't come across as having the remotest involvement in her own vocal career.

[quantumofsolace]

don't want that smackhead anywhere near bond thanks very much

I do

[Zorin Industries]

Me too. There is actually no-one else remotely capable today of doing a Bond song that is a) a performer known very well in the States (for the right reasons, i.e. the music) and someone that brings a cache to the film.

Michael Buble?

Leona Lewis (she's no different to Sheena Easton)?

I still think they really blew it ignoring Buble in favour of we know his name (apparently) on CASINO ROYALE.

Buble's a bit cheesy and light-entertainment, isn't he? Just a sort of covers guy doing what people did 50 years ago. Can't say that I'd be interested in him doing a Bond theme.

Um, as oppose to Amy Winehouse, who ISN'T some emporer's new clothes Northern Soul throwback?? Mark Ronson, who isn't just recycling the old Motown sound by way of old Northern Soul and Brit Ska?

Yes, which is a little more in keeping with the cinematic musical heritage of Bond, rather than some R&B clone like Leona Lewis - a genre of which has killed good pop music years ago. Northern Soul has a point to it. It has a style, a dress sense, a sense of self years removed from some cheesy listening monstrosity like Micheal Buble.

Mark Ronson is a superb force in British music at the moment who understands the rich heritage and history of British music. He brings that to every track he has recorded with Amy Winehouse.

[Simon]

Same here. I don't care at all for the songs that have been written by the artists and their producers (LTK, TND, DAD). Only songs where the composer is involved can be said to be true Bond songs.

True- From Russia With Love and Live and Let Die were rubbish, weren't they?

Wasn't George Martin involved with the LALD score and song?

Off the top of my head, I cannot remember the set up for Russia.

[marktmurphy]

Same here. I don't care at all for the songs that have been written by the artists and their producers (LTK, TND, DAD). Only songs where the composer is involved can be said to be true Bond songs.

True- From Russia With Love and Live and Let Die were rubbish, weren't they?

Wasn't George Martin involved with the LALD score and song?

Yeah; he produced and arranged it- so not entirely cut off. But he isn't down as having anything to do with writing it. Still managed to include it in the score, though.

[Shrublands]

Involving someone like Leona Lewis would do terrible damage to the

[Zorin Industries]

[quote name='Shrublands' post='865677' date='29 April 2008 - 10:48']Involving someone like Leona Lewis would do terrible damage to the

[Zorin Industries]

don't want that smackhead anywhere near bond thanks very much

I do

So do I. But then I judge Winehouse on her voice and much needed talent in the British music scene, not what some Daily Mail headline tells me about her just because stories on missing child Madeleine McCann are FINALLY no longer selling. Whilst not suggesting we all get crack habits, I really think some people should get their own personal life before commenting on others, especially people they only know through the morning papers.

[solace]

Zorin Industries Posted Today, 12:08 PM
QUOTE(quantumofsolace @ 29 April 2008 - 09:39)
QUOTE(col_007 @ 29 April 2008 - 10:28)
don't want that smackhead anywhere near bond thanks very much


I do



So do I. But then I judge Winehouse on her voice and much needed talent in the British music scene, not what some Daily Mail headline tells me about her just because stories on missing child Madeleine McCann are FINALLY no longer selling. Whilst not suggesting we all get crack habits, I really think some people should get their own personal life before commenting on others, especially people they only know through the morning papers

You know what - your right.

[dee-bee-five]

don't want that smackhead anywhere near bond thanks very much

I do

Me, too. And why, pray tell, does it matter what she gets up to her her private life? She could sh*g sheep for all I care. All I'm interested in is whether she is talented, which is beyond question, and if the song is good. Anything else is none of my, or anyone else's, business.

don't want that smackhead anywhere near bond thanks very much

I do

So do I. But then I judge Winehouse on her voice and much needed talent in the British music scene, not what some Daily Mail headline tells me about her just because stories on missing child Madeleine McCann are FINALLY no longer selling. Whilst not suggesting we all get crack habits, I really think some people should get their own personal life before commenting on others, especially people they only know through the morning papers.

Yet again, Zorin, yours is the voice of common sense cutting through all the silliness. I agree with you 100% on this.

[Loomis]

So I finally got round to listening to some Winehouse (new musical phenomena tend to pass me by - my active new music fandom pretty much ended in the days of Happy Mondays and The Stone Roses). Not bad. I honestly don't care what she gets up to outside the recording studio, any more than I'm interested in the personal lives of, say, Barbara Broccoli, Daniel Craig or Paul Haggis.

I'm going to defend Leona Lewis slightly: I seem to remember Tina Turner, Sheryl Crow and Garbage being pretty naff acts, but the Bond people appeared to think they could do the job. Still, I accept that we're in a different, notably "cooler" era of Bond, and so Winehouse would be a better choice than Lewis. If not necessarily a more commercial one, mind (isn't Lewis more successful in the States than Winehouse?).

[MattofSteel]

I hope this isn't true. Or at least, I kind of hope her theme isn't used. The best efforts musically (for a film as a whole) have come when David has collaborated or written his own title track, and I just smell another Madonna/DAD fiasco all over this one.

Plus, she is a coked-out fiend, and I don't think the publicity that would come with her would be that great.

Then again, she is talented. Her voice is amazing - we could hear something very akin to a "modern Shirley Bassey," perhaps? That's what makes her outside-the-studio problems all that much more tragic.

Edited by MattofSteel, 29 April 2008 - 01:25 PM.

[sharpshooter]

I hope this isn't true. Or at least, I kind of hope her theme isn't used. The best efforts musically (for a film as a whole) have come when David has collaborated or written his own title track, and I just smell another Madonna/DAD fiasco all over this one.

Plus, she is a coked-out fiend, and I don't think the publicity that would come with her would be that great.

Then again, she is talented. Her voice is amazing - we could hear something very akin to a "modern Shirley Bassey," perhaps? That's what makes her outside-the-studio problems all that much more tragic.

Yep, I agree with you.

[Zorin Industries]

I hope this isn't true. Or at least, I kind of hope her theme isn't used. The best efforts musically (for a film as a whole) have come when David has collaborated or written his own title track, and I just smell another Madonna/DAD fiasco all over this one.

Plus, she is a coked-out fiend, and I don't think the publicity that would come with her would be that great.

Then again, she is talented. Her voice is amazing - we could hear something very akin to a "modern Shirley Bassey," perhaps? That's what makes her outside-the-studio problems all that much more tragic.

There's no such thing as bad publicity in the entertainment world. And I don't see why Amy Winehouse recording the final theme would be a "fiasco" akin to Madonna'S DIE ANOTHER DAY. I personally think that track works in the context of the film - which is always more pressing than it working on folk's cd players a week before the film.

[Royal Dalton]

There's no such thing as bad publicity in the entertainment world.

Er...

[Head of S]

Michael Wilson diplomatically said that Winehouse "could" do an interesting job. She and her producer are working on a theme, that hasn't even been commissioned [a la Pulp (Tomorrow Never Lies) and Blondie (FYEO)], and without any contact with the filmmakers.

Marc Forster has brought David Arnold in during shooting much earlier than normal, to develop a score and to get the mood and feel for the movie. This will translate to the theme song as well.

Amy Winehouse will not be doing the theme for QOS.

[Fro]

I've no doubt that anything Ronson/Winehouse do for Bond will be pretty good. Winehouse has a jazz background and Ronson can produce a great, retro-influenced sound. A Bond theme in the John Barry tradition is right up their alley.

There's no reason why Arnold can't use it in the score as well, especially if they already have a demo complete at this early date.

Edited by Fro, 29 April 2008 - 02:13 PM.

[macleod_73]

i want a hrad rocking bond theme though out craig's carrer. Sorry the r and b shirly bassey type was fine for a while but after the Enjoyable you know my name i don't want a sappy (or worse yet a bond theme i hate)for Quantum of Solace.

Bring in Eric Clapton, Trevor Rabin, David Grohl, or possibly David Gilmour.


a David Gilmour bond theme now that would be bluesy and cool.

I agree with that completely...I'm not pro or con Amy Winehouse, completely neutral on her as a performer and person. She's not someone I'd normally run out and listen to, but that's a matter of taste, not a judgement of her talent.

All that said, I'd love to see a classic rock band pen a Bond theme.

[tim partridge]

Yes, which is a little more in keeping with the cinematic musical heritage of Bond, rather than some R&B clone like Leona Lewis - a genre of which has killed good pop music years ago. Northern Soul has a point to it. It has a style, a dress sense, a sense of self years removed from some cheesy listening monstrosity like Micheal Buble.

Mark Ronson is a superb force in British music at the moment who understands the rich heritage and history of British music. He brings that to every track he has recorded with Amy Winehouse.

Oh Puhleazzzzzzzzzzzze,

Ronson "understands the rich heritage of British music"?? What, by covering a Zutons and The Smiths track while sonically recycling decades old Northern soul and Skapop for designer sheep who think THE SPECIALS is some pub meal soup of day? How is this in ANY way elevated above Buble saluting the masters of lounge with beautifully accurate musical arrangements? Lounge has no point to it? So what about Matt Munro and Nancy Sinatra then? Tom Jones even? Newley and Bricusse (whose work Buble has covered)? What about Bond of the 1960s??? How are you going to argue yourself out of this corner??!

If there's any "cheesy listening" throwback we don't need it's definitely what Arnold did to Garbage. Urrrgghhh, let's all try and forget about that pop chart repellent dud...

As for the notion of Sheena Easton having "edge"- have any of you actually heard MORNING TRAIN (9-5)? The song that got her the Bond gig? It's a WORLD removed from the classy adult contemporary Bond ballad, and is on the same level of cheese WHAM occupied. Check it out:




You are telling me that has more "Bond credibility" than a Leona Lewis song?? All of Sheena's records at EMI were in the cheese and adult conteporary vein, just like Lewis, right until she got interesting with Prince (LONG after FYEO, by the way).

Don't get me wrong- I am all for Ronson, a real tried and successful chart music producer who knows what he is doing keeping David Arnold out of the booth. Arnold has needed someone to translate his Bond music themes into pop, so let's hope this happens! However, I think it's deluded, short-sighted nonsense that somehow Amy Winehouse is some stand alone, dynamite, revelatory gift to current pop music, and that she somehow measures up to some wonky idea that a hard edged music genre and Craig's Bond are mutually exclusive. Winehouse and Ronson are great pop guys who could do a great Bond, but there are others too of equal talent.

Eh, when are we gonna see Stevie Wonder and David Bowie do their Bond songs? I would also love to see Bassey return, but not just her and Arnold ala Cornell and Garbage (it would no doubt sound like her overblown PINK "Party Started" cover).

Edited by tim partridge, 29 April 2008 - 02:23 PM.

[Skudor]

Michael Wilson diplomatically said that Winehouse "could" do an interesting job. She and her producer are working on a theme, that hasn't even been commissioned [a la Pulp (Tomorrow Never Lies) and Blondie (FYEO)], and without any contact with the filmmakers.

Marc Forster has brought David Arnold in during shooting much earlier than normal, to develop a score and to get the mood and feel for the movie. This will translate to the theme song as well.

Amy Winehouse will not be doing the theme for QOS.

Is this statement based on some facts that you are in possession of or is it merely conjecture?

It seems fairly clear from the reports that the demo is not quite unsolicited - see Ronson's quote.