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[agentjamesbond007]

In your opinion, do you think it was really necessary to put profanity in the twenty-first Bond movie, Casino Royale. I mean, the characters in the older movies didn't say any bad words. I think this was a bad movie due to the fact of messing up the traditional things in the older movies had like the "gunbarrel" and the silhouetted introductions.

What do you think about the use of this?

[dinovelvet]

In your opinion, do you think it was really necessary to put profanity in the twenty-first Bond movie, Casino Royale. I mean, the characters in the older movies didn't say any bad words.
What do you think about the use of this?

What profanity are we talking about, exactly?

I think this was a bad movie due to the fact of messing up the traditional things in the older movies had like the "gunbarrel" and the silhouetted introductions.

Well I'm glad we're judging the film on the important stuff, and not those pesky minor details like story, script, performances, direction, and so on.

[MarcAngeDraco]

According to ScreenIt.com the profanity count for CR is:

At least 7 hells, 3 damns, 2 a**es, 1 bugger and 1 use each of "Christ," "For God's sakes" and "My God."

I'd say that's pretty mild by current standards.

[agentjamesbond007]

What profanity are we talking about, exactly?

from the quotes like:

"Have you ever seen such a bunch of self-righteous -covering prigs?" (M)
"Because these want your head, and I'm seriously considering feeding you to them." (M)
"Do I look like I give a ?" (Bond)

http://bondmovies.co...ds/bond21.shtml

Edited by agentjamesbond007, 17 March 2008 - 01:19 AM.

[Colossus]

I have to agree with what Fleming once said how he doesn't use 4-letter words in his stories because he doesn't like looking at them.

[dinovelvet]

What profanity are we talking about, exactly?

from the quotes like:

"Have you ever seen such a bunch of self-righteous -covering prigs?" (M)
"Because these want your head, and I'm seriously considering feeding you to them." (M)
"Do I look like I give a ?" (Bond)

http://bondmovies.co...ds/bond21.shtml

Why are you singling out Casino Royale then, when far "worse" has been uttered in, for example, Licence to Kill?

[Qwerty]

No issue whatsoever in my opinion. There are far worse words used extremely often in many other everyday films.

[sark]

So, it's the relatively few mild profanities that offend you, and not the sex, violence, gambling, and drinking?

[Righty007]

Those words aren't considered profanity in the United States these days.

[6Joker9]

So, it's the relatively few mild profanities that offend you, and not the sex, violence, gambling, and drinking?

Agreed. The audience should be able to have knowledge of the type of material that a Bond film contains in any case given the other elements from the mythos, which are more worthy of controversy than this. I fail to see what's the problem with the mild profanity.

After all, when one of the most famous lines of the novel is "the bitch is dead," I don't see to what other point did the film push a line that might be out of place for James Bond.

Edited by 6Joker9, 17 March 2008 - 02:20 AM.

[Bondian]

I've heard from profanity on a kids cartoon.

"Piston Cup".

Go figure.

[Single-O-Seven]

CR has nothing profane that can't be heard on regular, primetime TV - or in a schoolyard, for that matter. Even Fleming used "bitch" and "Christ" and all those other fun, mild words. He rarely used any of the big four-letter ones, and always slashed them out with hyphens when he did. I don't mind the language in CR or most other Bond films; as long as it doesn't blow up to Die Hard standards I'll never complain.

[Shadow Syndicate]

Welcome to the 21st Century. Hold on, the rides bound to get rougher

[Bondian]

Have just slapped in my DVD player 'Blazing Saddles'.

This is insane profanity. Before we all got "politically correct" and before we could appreciate drinking with cows in a saloon.

Didn't Tim say "piss off" in Licence to Kill?.

"ow, oh, ow, oh ow, oh, ow, oh. Did you ever see such cruelty".

[Single-O-Seven]

Have just slapped in my DVD player 'Blazing Saddles'.

This is insane profanity. Before we all got "politically correct" and before we could appreciate drinking with cows in a saloon.

Didn't Tim say "piss off" in Licence to Kill?.

"ow, oh, ow, oh ow, oh, ow, oh. Did you ever see such cruelty".

I love it when Tim says that line. If DC decides to use it I'll be very cool with that.

[agentjamesbond007]

Those words aren't considered profanity in the United States these days.

Maybe not, but in the area where I live, you sometimes hear those words often (even the stonger ones too) and they sometimes get very annoing. Therefore, they also count those kind of words "bad."

[dinovelvet]

Have just slapped in my DVD player 'Blazing Saddles'.

This is insane profanity. Before we all got "politically correct" and before we could appreciate drinking with cows in a saloon.

Didn't Tim say "piss off" in Licence to Kill?.

"ow, oh, ow, oh ow, oh, ow, oh. Did you ever see such cruelty".

I love it when Tim says that line. If DC decides to use it I'll be very cool with that.

To be honest, I'd expect Craig's Bond to use some harsher words than that. Like when he calls Vesper a bloody idiot, it feels like he really wants to use a different word

The "piss off" line is a bit silly, it feels like a compromise because they didn't quite have the guts to go with...the stronger alternative.

[Mr Teddy Bear]

In the context of the scenes they all make sense. Infact, I was left wondering what dialogue this thread was about after I read the title, "What profanity?" I thought. If they used anything softer it would feel like we were watching a censored version of James Bond. Would "hecks" instead of "hells" soften the impact of a blood soaked Bond strangling the final breath out of his opponent? Changing the dialogue to feature anything less would stick out like a sore thumb and compromise the reality of the scenes, because believe it or not, some people swear in stressful situations in the 21st century.

I consider the language in CR more than tame, given the context of some of the scenes. Could you imagine taking a beating to the nads without uttering some 4 letter, single-syllable words?

[sharpshooter]

The swearing, if it can be even classed as that, is fine by me. To be in such a pressure cooker environment that Bond lives in, I'd actually expect more of it.

[Dunph]

I see your pisses, damns and hells and raise you two sh**s.

One in Live and Let Die and one in A View to a Kill.

[Jim]

I see your pisses, damns and hells and raise you two sh**s.

One in Live and Let Die and one in A View to a Kill.

Isn't there a bull in Licence to Kill? Apart from all of Licence to Kill being bull in the first place?

I see your two s (how lovely - sweetcorn again?) and raise you one bull.

[Santa]

Those words aren't considered profanity in the United States these days.

Maybe not, but in the area where I live, you sometimes hear those words often (even the stonger ones too) and they sometimes get very annoing. Therefore, they also count those kind of words "bad."

Where you live maybe, but I think you'll find CR isn't set where you live. James Bond is English, and the English tend to swear quite a lot, I'm afraid.

[Jim]

Those words aren't considered profanity in the United States these days.

Maybe not, but in the area where I live, you sometimes hear those words often (even the stonger ones too) and they sometimes get very annoing. Therefore, they also count those kind of words "bad."

Where you live maybe, but I think you'll find CR isn't set where you live. James Bond is English, and the English tend to swear quite a lot, I'm afraid.

Bollocks we do.

[Ytadel]

The "profanity" (I wouldn't even call it that) in Casino Royale is extremely, extremely, extremely mild, and on its own is just over the edge of PG-rated. "Back to the Future" is a film that most people show their young children with much, much harsher language.

Go rent "The Departed" sometime if you actually want to see a profane film.

[tristanjblythe]

I don't have an ing problem with it (maybe because I'm British!!!)

I agree it wasn't necessary and the other films didn't lose anything by not having naughty words.

However Fleming's Bond wasn't beyond uttering profanities every now and then - some so shocking Fleming only writes that he said a four letter word if I remember correctly.

To tell you the truth I hadn't even noticed it....

[00Twelve]

The British curse words don't really even register in my American mind as curse words when I hear them in context, and the more "universal" curses used in CR really weren't much of a blip on my radar, either. They weren't in-your-face at all, and quite on the mild side of swearing. Contrast that with clunky speech in movies like TWINE ("If I don't get that plutonium back, somebody's gonna have my !") where it really comes out of nowhere and feels like there's no point in it having been uttered at all.

And Dunph, dino and all those other folks up there bring up a very valid point: Compared with the language used in the "classier" films of yore, especially those written by Mankiewicz, CR is tame as a kitten. I actually found CR pretty refreshing in that regard.

[dee-bee-five]

Those words aren't considered profanity in the United States these days.

Maybe not, but in the area where I live, you sometimes hear those words often (even the stonger ones too) and they sometimes get very annoing. Therefore, they also count those kind of words "bad."

Where you live maybe, but I think you'll find CR isn't set where you live. James Bond is English, and the English tend to swear quite a lot, I'm afraid.

Indeed, we do. And we don't give a about it, either.

(You didn't really mean to write "James Bond is English", by the way, did you...? )

Those words aren't considered profanity in the United States these days.

Maybe not, but in the area where I live, you sometimes hear those words often (even the stonger ones too) and they sometimes get very annoing. Therefore, they also count those kind of words "bad."

Where you live maybe, but I think you'll find CR isn't set where you live. James Bond is English, and the English tend to swear quite a lot, I'm afraid.

Bollocks we do.

Oh, how delicious. "Bollocks" doesn't get automatically censored. That's my discovery of the day.

[HH007]

Let's see, License To Kill said the S-word (rhymes with "bit") at least four times, plus a few GD's, I think maybe , and a character at one point referred to Bond as a "jerkoff" (which is considered profane). So I don't get why you're singling out Casino Royale.

In general, I don't understand why people are so uptight about profanity... they are just words.

[Santa]

Those words aren't considered profanity in the United States these days.

Maybe not, but in the area where I live, you sometimes hear those words often (even the stonger ones too) and they sometimes get very annoing. Therefore, they also count those kind of words "bad."

Where you live maybe, but I think you'll find CR isn't set where you live. James Bond is English, and the English tend to swear quite a lot, I'm afraid.

Indeed, we do. And we don't give a about it, either.

(You didn't really mean to write "James Bond is English", by the way, did you...? )

I kind of did. I started saying something about English and Scottish, and how the Scots swear even more but it was getting a bit long-winded, by which time I'd bored myself too much to bother to change the 'English' to 'British'. You knew what I meant, though. And I'm fairly sure our dear Queen uses the F-word regularly.

[col_007]

them words are not considered swear words here in england well maybe they where years ago but not now plus we dont swear much what ever give you that ing idea