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#61 Loomis

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Posted 25 February 2007 - 09:46 PM

Fair enough, Loomis. But in my perfect world, a film that wins best picture should still stand its ground on the small screen, should still stun even when it's being shown on network TV. The fact that, as you say, Titanic MUST be seen in a theatre to be appreciated says something about the actual merit of the film.


Does it, though? Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't. Is it a diss of LAWRENCE OF ARABIA to say that it must be seen on the big screen and that it doesn't work that well on TV? (Although I guess it does just about "stand its ground" on the tube - I write, after all, as someone who admires the film but who has never seen it at the cinema, or indeed in anything other than pan-and-scan from 2.35:1 on an old square TV screen, which I guess strays about as far as you can get from Lean's directorial vision. By contrast, I absolutely loved Jackson's KING KONG when I saw it at the Odeon Leicester Square - thought it was the most thrilling, staggering thing since, well, TITANIC. When I bought it on DVD, though, I found it impossible to watch - shrunken, emasculated, pathetic. So I guess I think KONG is a magnificent piece of work.... if you see it on the big screen - otherwise, it's utter dreck that's not even worthwhile on a visual level. Still, I think TITANIC does have emotional impact that KONG, even on the world's vastest screen, lacks entirely.)

Aren't all films ultimately meant for the big screen? A question for the movie geek to ponder.

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Posted 25 February 2007 - 09:52 PM

...the (ROCKY BALBOA) script doesn't hit every possible right button for a non-Rocky fan, and that's what it needs to do. I think the script was mediocre, to be honest. I'm not watching it for nostalgia's value, and the fact of the matter is that ROCKY BALBOA doesn't succeed as a film for someone who's not big on the Rocky franchise.


Well, fair enough - I'll concede that, when watching ROCKY BALBOA, it helps to be a fan, although that said being a fan made me initially incredibly picky about it in the way only a fan can be and actually really marred the enjoyment of my first viewing. And if nostalgia were the be-all-and-end-all, I'd consider ROCKY V a classic, which I most definitely don't. Point taken, though, Harms.

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Posted 25 February 2007 - 10:13 PM

Me neither, but then I didn't even think it was a good movie. Neither was I at all impressed by CRASH, MILLION DOLLAR BABY, LOTR: ROTK, CHICAGO, GLADIATOR, SHAKESPEARE IN LOVE, BRAVEHEART, PLATOON and other wildly overpraised sacred cows of Academy Awards of yesteryear. OTOH, ROCKY, ANNIE HALL, THE DEER HUNTER, THE LAST EMPEROR, SCHINDLER'S LIST, FORREST GUMP and TITANIC were all worthy Best Picture winners, IMO.

Glad to see you stand up behind FORREST GUMP. That movie gets so much hate from the film snobs these days. So does SCHINDLER'S LIST, believe it or not.

Forrest Gump is disliked by many because it won over Pulp Fiction, which was clearly the better film that year. It's another case of the Academy's preference for safe choices that don't offend. Many see Gump as emotionally manipulative and very representative of the big studio award film.

I know *why* it's disliked. I just don't agree with it, that's all. And frankly, I don't think the Academy Awards really go for the "safe" choices all the time, as much as that criticism is leveled against it. For example, AMERICAN BEAUTY (which is a film I actually revile, and stands as my most-hated Oscar winner of all time).

But I've always thought there's something to say for "the good ol' fashioned storytelling" sort of film that can captivate an audience of all kinds of people - after all, that's why some of the greatest, most exalted films are... well, the greatest, most exalted films. Films like BEN HUR or LAWRENCE OF ARABIA.

I don't dislike Forrest Gump. I enjoyed it, but it doesn't come anywhere near Pulp Fiction as far as a film experience.

Well, I've never really liked PULP FICTION, so I'm the wrong person to talk to. I find it hollow and lacking in resonance. I mean, Tarantino pulls some cool tricks with it, but whenever I watch it, I ask, "So what?" at the end.

And if nostalgia were the be-all-and-end-all, I'd consider ROCKY V a classic, which I most definitely don't. Point taken, though, Harms.

You know I wouldn't suggest nostalgia is the end-all, be-all. I mean, the cinematography's nice, and there's not much that's offensively bad in the film (beyond Stallone's editing of the final fight, which I couldn't have imagined playing in a more flaccid fashion). But I also don't remember much that was outstandingly good about the film, either. As far as I'm concerned, no great level of skill or excellence was demonstrated on any level in ROCKY BALBOA. Not as far as its script (which needed a lot of work, IMO), performances (which were fine, but not striking), or the direction (the film looks pretty, but it's also not masterful).

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Posted 25 February 2007 - 10:33 PM

I'm not sure about Best Actor for Matt Damon, although he did a tremendous job of holding the film together (his performance reminds me Alain Delon's in "Le Samourai").

Interesting observation there. Whilst I thought Delon had loads more charisma, Damon did a commendable job, even if he was a little dry in some scenes.

Anyway, on the subject of the Academy's choices in Best Picture over the years: Yes, they've made some bold, interesting choices over the years (Silence of the Lambs in '92, off the top of me head), but for the most part, the do tend to go for the crowd-pleasing films that are disguised as "art" films (hmm...does that include Silence?), as opposed to outright entertaining films like Casino Royale. That being said, I'm predicting that Departed will take Picture and Director; it deserves the latter, but I don't think it's Scorsese's best work (it is, afterall, a remake of another film).

A few other random thoughts this year...

-whilst I'm rather disappointed that Nicholson didn't get nominated for Departed, I'll laugh my tits off if Eddie Murphy wins.

-another Eastwood film being nominated? I agree with Loomis on the notion that it's become embarrassingly commonplace for either Meryl Streep, Eastwood, Scorsese, and Dench to be nominated every frickin' year. Streep, Eastwood an Dench have all won at some point. Move on, please.

-despite the claims from the writers, and explanations from posters on this board, I'm still unsure of Borat's nomination (although I suppose it's about the only thing they felt it could nominated it for)...

-for once, I'm pleasantly surprised by the Actor nominees this year. If anything, Craig should have been nominated instead of Will Smith, but still, it'll be a tough call in this category.

#65 Bon-san

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Posted 25 February 2007 - 10:38 PM

It's just understood that certain kinds of films, no matter how well-made or how entertaining, are not going to get Oscar nods. I personally didn't think the LOTR films belonged there, but then LOTR has never been my thing. Braveheart, Gladiator, LOTR are all costumers, which the Academy has a long history of rewarding. They were also fine films (I'm stretching in re ROTK, but what the heck).

Well, that rule has been broken in past years. We've had some crazy nominees. To name a few films that break the typical Best Picture nominee mold: M*A*S*H, RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK, THE EXORCIST, THE TOWERING INFERNO, JAWS, STAR WARS, E.T.: THE EXTRA-TERRESTRIAL, BEAUTY AND THE BEAST, and THE FUGITIVE.


True, and whenever that happens it seems the film in question has made its way into the cultural zeitgeist. All those films you list did so (even THE TOWERING INFERNO--I remember!). THE FUGITIVE is the closest analogy to CASINO ROYALE, but even THE FUGITIVE seemed to have bled into the cultural consciousness much moreso than has Casino Royale. CR's done big box office, garnered tons of positive reviews, but it hasn't made the jump into cultural phenomenon status. Which, for actioners, is what it takes to make it into the Oscars.

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Posted 25 February 2007 - 10:49 PM

But no one has answered my question:

What movie had a higher level of critical acclaim than Casino Royale? (If there was such a movie, it certainly is not as univesally loved as CR.)


Well, just going by Rotten Tomatoes, THE QUEEN has 98%, as opposed to CASINO ROYALE's 94%. So the answer to your question is probably THE QUEEN, although it's doubtful that it's as "universally loved" (by moviegoers, I take it you mean) as CR, and CR has a higher Rotten Tomatoes score than any of the other Best Picture nominees.

http://goldderby.lat...shaken_by_.html


Loomis, et al...

So, if the above is the case and (*AND*) Braveheart and Gladiator and LORT:ROTK (none of them historically accurate dramas...in fact they're all outright action adventures or even fantasy adventures) get nominations, where is there consistency?

Where? On the one hand Casino Royale's almost the single best reviewed movie of 2006...and on the other hand there's been prescedents set. So where is the consistently?

I'd like to know. (It's a rhetorical statement, btw.)



Oh, you're right, you're right. They should just give the Oscar to the film with the best score on RottenTomatoes. That would save a lot of time, expense, revelry, pomp, circumstance. The world would be a better place if they did that. There would be time for more important things, like tracking Casino Royale's box office figures as actual vs. reported in Malaysia. :cooltongue:


And Hildy, GLADIATOR is not an action movie. Lethal Weapon is an action movie. THE PEACEMAKER is an action movie. LIVE AND LET DIE is an action movie. DIE HARD is an action movie. 2FAST2FURIOUS is an action movie. THE BOURNE IDENTITY is an action movie. RONIN is an action movie. CASINO ROYALE is an action movie.

But not GLADIATOR. We'll just have to disagree.

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Posted 26 February 2007 - 12:04 AM

I guess this may be the "nonconformist" view nowadays (as I don't remember many negative reviews at the time, and everyone I know went nuts over the film), although it's not intended as such (it's - shock! - my honest opinion), but I think TITANIC is an excellent film.

It seems very fashionable to knock it today, but seeing it for the first time - on the big screen, which is where it must be seen - was one of the most memorable moviegoing experiences of my life - I was riveted, and I'm not ashamed to say that the ending almost had me in tears. I think it's terrific. Cameron's best. The phenomenal filmmaking technique on show more than compensates for the odd clunker of a line or occasional bit of ropey acting.

I'm being serious. I'm not being "ironic", or "nonconformist", or anything. I honestly believe TITANIC is a great film. Works more on the emotions than on the intellect, of course, but, hey, so does PSYCHO, so does THE BATTLESHIP POTEMKIN, so does ROCKY, so do most works of brilliant filmmaking. Whether it's a truly "important" or revolutionary piece of work, I don't know. But it does its job. It does what it says on the tin.


Titanic is utter dross and even SFX looks dated now, awful acting dreadful script and that half baked love story, made me hate Dicaprio for a long time.

Cameron's best, are you having a laugh, Terminator & Aliens are far superior films as is Abyss for that matter and you criticize The Departed it leaves Titanic looking ridiculous, manipulative over sentimental and it had you nearly crying, it was supposed to be story of the sinking of the Titanic not some awful romance, I found the concentration of the Jack & Rose characters frankly sickening when the incidental characters were just forgot about as background and don't get me started on Billy Zane.

To think Titanic also robbed Curtis Hanson of best director for LA Confidential as well as best picture, Titanic must rank up there with Tom Hanks most undeserved 2 Best Actor wins as good example of why the awards show is a joke motivated by politics rather than talent.

Both Neesome for Schindlers List & Daniel Day Lewis for In the name of the Father were up for the award when Hanks won for his pale easy performance in the politically safe aids drama that was Philadelphia.

If being a film snob is hating Titanic, then I wear the badge with pride. I saw it in the cinema twice, thank god i only payed for it once myself, that's 6 hours of my life i'll never get back.

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Posted 26 February 2007 - 12:13 AM

But no one has answered my question:

What movie had a higher level of critical acclaim than Casino Royale? (If there was such a movie, it certainly is not as univesally loved as CR.)


Well, just going by Rotten Tomatoes, THE QUEEN has 98%, as opposed to CASINO ROYALE's 94%. So the answer to your question is probably THE QUEEN, although it's doubtful that it's as "universally loved" (by moviegoers, I take it you mean) as CR, and CR has a higher Rotten Tomatoes score than any of the other Best Picture nominees.

http://goldderby.lat...shaken_by_.html


Loomis, et al...

So, if the above is the case and (*AND*) Braveheart and Gladiator and LORT:ROTK (none of them historically accurate dramas...in fact they're all outright action adventures or even fantasy adventures) get nominations, where is there consistency?

Where? On the one hand Casino Royale's almost the single best reviewed movie of 2006...and on the other hand there's been prescedents set. So where is the consistently?

I'd like to know. (It's a rhetorical statement, btw.)



Oh, you're right, you're right. They should just give the Oscar to the film with the best score on RottenTomatoes. That would save a lot of time, expense, revelry, pomp, circumstance. The world would be a better place if they did that. There would be time for more important things, like tracking Casino Royale's box office figures as actual vs. reported in Malaysia. :cooltongue:


And Hildy, GLADIATOR is not an action movie. Lethal Weapon is an action movie. THE PEACEMAKER is an action movie. LIVE AND LET DIE is an action movie. DIE HARD is an action movie. 2FAST2FURIOUS is an action movie. THE BOURNE IDENTITY is an action movie. RONIN is an action movie. CASINO ROYALE is an action movie.

But not GLADIATOR. We'll just have to disagree.


Gladiator. I saw it a handful of times in May/June of 2000 and own the soundtrack and the DVD. It is an action movie, my dear Bon-san. It is an action spectacle that, in the end, catered to the WWF (or the wrestling) freaks...(of which I am not one)...or the NFL/College football crowd.

There is a massive set piece at the begining, then all kinds of action set pieces in the middle and a fight sequence at the end. It had more action than any (*ANY*) James Bond movie in history.

I Claudius it ain't. Neither is it historically accurate, even mildly so, Sire (LOL).

Titus. Now that is a movie that is similar in subject matter and yet it is *not* an action movie. *It* is an art house flick and is a totally different type of film to Gladiator, which, if you look at the amount of time it spends on violent action, *is*.

Edited by HildebrandRarity, 26 February 2007 - 12:19 AM.


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Posted 26 February 2007 - 12:43 AM

Have the Awards started yet?

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Posted 26 February 2007 - 12:51 AM

To think Titanic also robbed Curtis Hanson of best director for LA Confidential as well as best picture, Titanic must rank up there with Tom Hanks most undeserved 2 Best Actor wins as good example of why the awards show is a joke motivated by politics rather than talent.

Both Neesome for Schindlers List & Daniel Day Lewis for In the name of the Father were up for the award when Hanks won for his pale easy performance in the politically safe aids drama that was Philadelphia.

If being a film snob is hating Titanic, then I wear the badge with pride. I saw it in the cinema twice, thank god i only payed for it once myself, that's 6 hours of my life i'll never get back.



Ouch!

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Posted 26 February 2007 - 02:18 AM

Yes, they've been on for an hour and fifteen. Anyone have a clue how long these usually run? I've never watched the whole show before.

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Posted 26 February 2007 - 02:30 AM

My head tells me that THE DEPARTED will win, but I really don't think that it deserves to.

I haven't seen all the movies nominated, and based on what I've seen I'd like to see BABEL or LITTLE MISS SUNSHINE take home the award.

Vauxhall, the site that Loomis provied a link to has Casino Royale scoring better than The Departed and Little Miss Sunshine. Babel got totally blown out of the water by CR according to scores from that site...it's reviews were mixed.

What do you make of that?

Not really sure what you're asking me here, HR... I never mentioned CASINO ROYALE at all. I was basing my judgement on what I've seen of the five nominated movies. I've already grudgingly accepted that my favourite movie of the year isn't going to win the Oscar as it didn't receive a single nomination. If you were making a different point, then please explain, and I'll try my best to address it! :cooltongue:

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Posted 26 February 2007 - 08:44 AM

Well, with stunning predictability, the winners everyone agreed on ages ago have romped home (and, as usual, UK TV stations are reporting the Oscars as though people over here care only about British winners, which means Mirren is getting all the coverage while THE DEPARTED is a footnote).

What a travesty. What a joke. Congratulations, though, to Wai Keung Lau, Siu Fai Mak and all those involved in the making of INFERNAL AFFAIRS.

And the Craig-haters will presumably have a field day with HAPPY FEET's win for Best Animated Feature Film.

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Posted 26 February 2007 - 09:01 AM

Did anything important happen?

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Posted 26 February 2007 - 03:18 PM

Did anything important happen?


Well there was the complete absence of deaths, maimings or torture. And the dearth of political spin.


Many great achievements were overlooked, and some dubious work was rewarded.


So, a mixed bag, then.

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Posted 26 February 2007 - 03:19 PM

Did anything important happen?


A complete absence of deaths, maimings or torture. Zero political spin.


Shame.

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Posted 26 February 2007 - 03:31 PM

Did anything important happen?


A complete absence of deaths, maimings or torture. Zero political spin.


Shame.

Well, except for the fact that Al Gore STILL can't just get on with his life and drop the whole "I should have been President" crap. But it was just an eyeroller, nothing overly political.

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Posted 26 February 2007 - 04:55 PM

I don't dislike Forrest Gump. I enjoyed it, but it doesn't come anywhere near Pulp Fiction as far as a film experience.


I agree with you here, but I have to wonder what winning Best Picture would have done for the reputation of "The Shawshank Redemption". Is it really any less manipulative then "Forest Gump"?

I did enjoy both "Gump" and "Shawshank" by the way, which is more then can be said for many Best Picture Winners/Nominees.

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Posted 26 February 2007 - 05:40 PM

Man, I still can't believe THE DEPARTED got the top prize. The least deserving Best Picture winner ever.

Probably starting to sound like a stuck record on this topic, but, seriously, what a poor film.

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Posted 26 February 2007 - 05:44 PM

Man, I still can't believe THE DEPARTED got the top prize. The least deserving Best Picture winner ever.

Probably starting to sound like a stuck record on this topic, but, seriously, what a poor film.


I was surprised by the win, myself. I had thought Scorcese would win for Director but that the film would lose the big prize. I haven't even seen it yet, so my reasoning was based purely on lifelong study of Oscar logic. Apparently, I need more schooling. :angry:

Who knows, maybe it's a brilliant film (notwithstanding Loomis' disregard for it--Loomis: he whose tastes run all over the universe :cooltongue: )

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Posted 27 February 2007 - 12:32 AM

Well, with Best Actor and Best Actress mirroring the BAFTA's, I suppose they had to pick a really Americanized movie for Best Film. What's more American than Irish and Italian descendants going at it in Boston. Glad Martin Scorsese finally got his, though. Long overdue.

Daniel Craig was looking good as a presenter. And Eva Green was looking really good as a presenter. Her hair and make-up were a little more tame than her BAFTA appearance :cooltongue: .

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Posted 27 February 2007 - 12:34 AM

Really? Perhaps someone's finally had a word with her and advised her to stop going out looking like Robert Smith. :cooltongue:

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Posted 27 February 2007 - 01:03 AM

I did not see the awards show. I saw The Departed on it's opening weekend and thought it was a good movie...violent but good. I, however, would never pay to see it twice.

Compare that to my 7 viewings of Casino Royale and the higher score it got with the critics than did The Departed and it's hardly rocket scientry to suggest that the best movie of the year was not even nominated.

The Departed is a good movie. Casino Royale, however, is a great movie.

20 years from now when they look back at 2006, The Departed will be viewed as an over-rated rip off of Infernal Affairs where as Casino Royale will be seen as an outright classic of all the big blockbusters of it's year.

Edited by HildebrandRarity, 27 February 2007 - 01:05 AM.


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Posted 27 February 2007 - 01:43 AM

Eva on the Red Carpet at the 79th Oscars. She looked better while presenting.

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Posted 27 February 2007 - 02:45 AM

Normally, I really look forward to watching the Oscars, but did that thing drag? Not counting the arrival show, the ceremony itself went on 10 minutes shy of 4 hours. :cooltongue:

The problem is the little things. Did we really need acrobatic making silhouette logos? Or sound effects choirs? Or clips for 50 years of foreign films?

Ellen Degeneres didn't help. She had to be the lamest host yet, no edge at all, like she was doing a larger version of her TV show. What happened to the days when people used the Oscars for personal views? It makes me almost wish Michael Moore would come back.

Also, I now think the best song category is about the lamest thing going these days when a song inspired by an Al Gore global warming documentary wins it.

I guess it didn't help there really wasn't much to root for outside of Scorsese.

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Posted 27 February 2007 - 03:29 AM

The problem is the little things. Did we really need acrobatic making silhouette logos? Or sound effects choirs? Or clips for 50 years of foreign films?

The latter, no, but I loved the first two. Very entertaining.

Ellen Degeneres didn't help. She had to be the lamest host yet, no edge at all, like she was doing a larger version of her TV show.

I thought she was hilarious. Certainly the best host since Billy Crystal.

Also, I now think the best song category is about the lamest thing going these days when a song inspired by an Al Gore global warming documentary wins it.

That song was terrible. I was shocked.

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Posted 27 February 2007 - 04:09 AM

Normally, I really look forward to watching the Oscars, but did that thing drag? Not counting the arrival show, the ceremony itself went on 10 minutes shy of 4 hours. :cooltongue:

The problem is the little things. Did we really need acrobatic making silhouette logos? Or sound effects choirs? Or clips for 50 years of foreign films?

Ellen Degeneres didn't help. She had to be the lamest host yet, no edge at all, like she was doing a larger version of her TV show. What happened to the days when people used the Oscars for personal views? It makes me almost wish Michael Moore would come back.

Also, I now think the best song category is about the lamest thing going these days when a song inspired by an Al Gore global warming documentary wins it.

I guess it didn't help there really wasn't much to root for outside of Scorsese.


Agreed on all counts. Another very big problem with the telecast this year was that they didn't begin with a "major" award like they usually do (usually one of the supporting acting awards is given out at, or near, the beginning of the show), but instead, it took close to an hour, if not more, for those awards to get handed out, leaving the audience with only Degeneres (who, I agree, did not do a very good job hosting the awards) and some minor awards that simply took too much time to give out. Also very annoying was the costume design award (I think it was that one, anyway), where there was some very audible laughing coming from somewhere while the nominees were being announced, which was not a very good show of professionalism, IMO. If they're going to present this award on air, that's perfectly fine, but it needs to be taken just as seriously as the Best Picture award.

Also, I thought that last night proved that the host of the Oscars needs to be someone who can carry the show, not someone who just simply fills in the gaps while waiting for some of the sets to get in place and whatever else goes on behind the curtain. I've always viewed these shows as kind of an overblown "Tonight Show" or "Late Night w/ Letterman" type of thing. Honestly, I think that next year, having someone along the lines of Jay Leno, David Letterman, or Craig Ferguson would be a great way to liven up the whole thing, because I think that those types of people could carry the show in a way that the recent hosts have not been able to do.

Another thing about the awards last night, and this was something that I should have caught during the announcement of the nominees, was that the same two men were nominated for the sound mixing (or whatever they call the sound achievement award) on Flags of Our Fathers and Letters from Iwo Jima. They're both movies about the same subject (told from two different points of view), featuring, I would assume, largely similar sound effects (gunfire, explosions, basically, the sounds that you would hear in a war). Surely, films such as Casino Royale, or any other film that was very much underrepresented at the awards could have had one of those spots rather than the same nominees getting two nominations for similar films in the same category. I'm not saying that they were undeserving of the award by any stretch of the imagination, and the fact that they were nominated twice showed that they had that category in a virtual lock anyway, but I think that the opportunity to get one more film nominated for an award was missed here......

Which leads me to the Best Original Song category. After listening to the songs that were nominated this year, I honestly feel as though "You Know My Name" was better than these songs. Why wasn't it nominated, well probably because it's from a Bond movie, which leads me to the biggest observation of the night. Did anyone notice just how many people associated with Casino Royale were involved with this in some way? Daniel Craig was there as a presenter, as was Eva Green. Judi Dench was nominated for Best Actress, and Mads Mikkelsen was in one of the films up for Best Foreign film (or something to that effect). In terms of acting talent, Casino Royale was very well represented at the Oscars (with all of the principle actors in the film involved in one way or another), which hopefully could be a sign of things to come for the Daniel Craig Bond films in the future.

I think what was most irritating about the whole thing for me was that it just wasn't a very well done awards show this time around. Usually, I get excited to watch this because I am very much a fan of movies. I usually sit and watch the entire thing from beginning to finish, and enjoy the majority of it. This year, I turned it off less than an hour into it, and waited for a while before tuning back in to catch Helen Mirren's win and the awards that followed it. For all of the focus that has been spent in recent years on making the show shorter, that clearly was not a goal last night, and it was as predictable as ever. Yes, The Departed was a great film (and maybe even deserving of the award), but I was hoping that Little Miss Sunshine (which I do see as a slightly superior film to The Departed) would sneak in and win the award and open up things for comedies and other underrepresented films in future awards shows. Unfortunately, that did not happen, but at least Martin Scorcese finally got his long overdue Oscar.

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Posted 27 February 2007 - 12:57 PM

The Departed will be viewed as an over-rated rip off of Infernal Affairs where as Casino Royale will be seen as an outright classic of all the big blockbusters of it's year.


Good to see that some folks already know the score - that CASINO ROYALE is a far, far better film than that pompous, pseudo-intellectual, boring, chest-beating garbage THE DEPARTED. :cooltongue:

And, yes, CR was the best film I've seen at the cinema over the past year, and I've seen a number of fine ones: APOCALYPTO, BABEL, CHILDREN OF MEN, THE LAST KING OF SCOTLAND, ROCKY BALBOA, UNITED 93, etc. But CR was - and is - the best of the lot. :angry:

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Posted 28 February 2007 - 02:24 AM

The Departed will be viewed as an over-rated rip off of Infernal Affairs where as Casino Royale will be seen as an outright classic of all the big blockbusters of it's year.


Good to see that some folks already know the score - that CASINO ROYALE is a far, far better film than that pompous, pseudo-intellectual, boring, chest-beating garbage THE DEPARTED. :cooltongue:

And, yes, CR was the best film I've seen at the cinema over the past year, and I've seen a number of fine ones: APOCALYPTO, BABEL, CHILDREN OF MEN, THE LAST KING OF SCOTLAND, ROCKY BALBOA, UNITED 93, etc. But CR was - and is - the best of the lot. :angry:



Casino Royale had the 2nd highest critical rating of any movie released in 2006 and was the 4th biggest blockbuster on the planet.

How can you beat that combo?

I mean the 3 movies that grossed more than CR had terrible reviews/ratings and the 5 movies that were nominated ahead of CR for this award combined (*combined*) grossed less. LOL

It seems as if they took their 5 choices and gave the award to the most successful/popular of the 5, with the winner grossing three times (275 mil) the nearest 2 competitors (90-odd each for Babel and Miss Sunshine.)

Honestly, a few years from now people will look back and say what an utter travesty and a waste of time the Feb, 2007 awards were. The 5 movies they picked were slim pickings in relation to the mighty Casino Royale with it's mammoth list of talent such as Daniel Craig, Judy Dench, Eva Green, Giancarlo Gianinni and Mads Mikklesen.

Edited by HildebrandRarity, 28 February 2007 - 02:56 AM.


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Posted 28 February 2007 - 01:41 PM

Seems to me that the Academy rewards "British" films only when they're costume dramas, period pieces, worthy Mike Leigh-type kitchen sink flicks, or films about royalty. Films, in other words, that conform to everyone's idea of what a British film should be.

For a "British" (yeah, I know CASINO ROYALE was funded by a Hollywood studio, hence the speechmarks) film to take on the American big budget action/adventure genre at its own game and beat it soundly (what was the last Hollywood action blockbuster that had absolutely first class thrills and spills comparable to those of CR? TRUE LIES? DIE HARD?).... I guess that's rocking the boat.

But for so many people (and not just on Bond fansites) to be talking seriously about CR's Oscar potential, and for the film to receive so many Bafta nominations (including an historic nod for an actor playing James Bond!).... it's absolutely remarkable, and something that probably none of us could ever have imagined. We didn't exactly have these discussions for THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH or DIE ANOTHER DAY, did we? Or for any of 'em.

It's safe to say that CASINO ROYALE has succeeded beyond our wildest expectations. I'm still pinching myself, actually. :cooltongue: