31 replies to this topic

[DamnCoffee]

When i saw CR Vesper said it was time to remove the necklace - where did it go? Could the plot for Bond 22 revolve around this neckace? Could the title be 'The Property of a lady'?

[EyesOnly]

I have almost the same thoughts!

[ckoch]

When i saw CR Vesper said it was time to remove the necklace - where did it go? Could the plot for Bond 22 revolve around this neckace? Could the title be 'The Property of a lady'?

I like the title even if it the film has nothing to do with the necklace.

[Evil Doctor Cheese Returns]

I had exactly the same idea in another topic! We should sue if they go with the idea!

It's very fan-boyish idea...but I can see them doing it.

Isn;t the idea behind the title "The Property Of A Lady" that a man's heart is the only true property of a lady...or am I just turning this into a Bond song!?

G x

[capungo]

Well, it would certainly seem like the most natural lead-in for Property of a Lady we've gotten. I like

[dennisbolt]

Watching the scene where Vesper explains the necklace...I had thought that the Algerian love knot was relating to LeChiffre, but as I write this, i think that M says he was Albanian? not Algerian?

Edited by dennisbolt, 19 November 2006 - 04:58 AM.

[K1Bond007]

The love knot only signifies she's in love with someone (someone else) - as was the case, her boyfriend was kidnapped by this organization and she was forced to double for them or they would kill him. She, however, falls in love with Bond - so she stopped wearing it because as she notes, "it was time."

That's it.

[Monsieur B]

If it were to be featured in Bond 22, maybe it would serve as a motivator for Bond in his pursuit to end the organization behind Le Chiffre and Mr. White. Perhaps we'll see a short scene with Bond tightly clenching it or staring at it sitting in the palm of his hand and reminiscing over the memory of Vesper. Could prove to be an interesting bit.

[The Richmond Spy]

Works for me, mharkin! I had forgotten about the necklace, but I have a feeling it is mentioned for a reason. Why else would it have been brought to our attention during the film?

[Qwerty]

The love knot only signifies she's in love with someone (someone else) - as was the case, her boyfriend was kidnapped by this organization and she was forced to double for them or they would kill him. She, however, falls in love with Bond - so she stopped wearing it because as she notes, "it was time."

That's it.

Indeed.

[The Richmond Spy]

When i saw CR Vesper said it was time to remove the necklace - where did it go? Could the plot for Bond 22 revolve around this neckace? Could the title be 'The Property of a lady'?

The love knot only signifies she's in love with someone (someone else) - as was the case, her boyfriend was kidnapped by this organization and she was forced to double for them or they would kill him. She, however, falls in love with Bond - so she stopped wearing it because as she notes, "it was time."

That's it.

I'm not sure which I prefer. mharkin's theory is more intriguing, but K1Bond007's is more practical. Hmmm...

[Blofeld's Cat]

So this "loveknot" doesn't involve a dog at all then!?

[MR. BOND 93]

Well I think that necklace was from her old boyfriend...

and I think her old boyfriend will be the villain in Bond 22...

so..... It might have something to do with the story.

[killkenny kid]

So this "loveknot" doesn't involve a dog at all then!?

lol.

[Double-Oh Agent]

Works for me, mharkin! I had forgotten about the necklace, but I have a feeling it is mentioned for a reason. Why else would it have been brought to our attention during the film?

It's mentioned so as to give a reason for her actions in betraying Bond. It was the gift from her boyfriend who was subsequently captured by Le Chiffre's organization. Upon which time she was told to cooperate with Le Chiffre or the organization would kill her lover.

[Gri007]

Interesting take on it. TPOAL never came to mind.

My idea is that Vesper was the tell, and Mathis was innocent. Le Chiffre had said that Mathis had betrayed Bond so Bond would go after Mathis and not Vesper. Le Chiffre was worried that Bond would kill Vesper and Le Chiffre would not recive the money.

Perhaps Vesper had given the Loveknot to Mr White, when Bond wasn't looking and then it ends up opening a can of worms. Perhaps the Loveknot was the bait of some sort.

[JackUnion]

Hmmm...can anyone clarify what M said about Vesper's other lover...I can't recall..She said he was half Algerian and German right? or am I just way off? because I have a theory riding on this...In Ian Fleming's descriptions of a certain villain...he mentions that this Villain was born of a German Father and a Greek Mother...well perhaps the writers of the film just changed one or two details...but could it be...Ernst Stavro Blofeld?

[Zorin Industries]

Nice idea. Makes sense.

Shame THE PROPERTY OF A LADY was used in OCTOPUSSY.

I've got my theories (as we all have no doubt)...

The book has the boyfriend as an ex student / employee of.....M (?!). THAT is why they kept Judi Dench then...

Eva Green allegedly let slip that the Algerian boyfriend was the villain of the next film. I'm not sure about that rumour. Green would never "slip" anything she was told in confidence and no boyfriend would let his woman go through what VESPER LYND goes through in the novel and now film of CASINO ROYALE.

Nice idea. Makes sense.

Shame THE PROPERTY OF A LADY was used in OCTOPUSSY.

I've got my theories (as we all have no doubt)...

The book has the boyfriend as an ex student / employee of.....M (?!). THAT is why they kept Judi Dench then...

Eva Green allegedly let slip that the Algerian boyfriend was the villain of the next film. I'm not sure about that rumour. Green would never "slip" anything she was told in confidence and no boyfriend would let his woman go through what VESPER LYND goes through in the novel and now film of CASINO ROYALE.

I imagine VESPER gave the necklace to whoever she wants BOND to hunt down. It allows LYND to point a posthumous, yet covert, finger at whoever is responsible. There's no better evidence for him then....

It's intriguing. It's good that the film does pose these questions for the next film instead of "who will sing the title song".

Am I stirring things up by noticing how LE CHIFFRE and GETTLER both had the same eye injury? Is this the next villain's - and their boss - way of ensuring discipline...?

And MR WHITE...? BLOFELD's cat was white....? No..? (!).

[Mr. Du Pont]

Watching the scene where Vesper explains the necklace...I had thought that the Algerian love knot was relating to LeChiffre, but as I write this, i think that M says he was Albanian? not Algerian?

I believe it was said he was a French Algerian. It said nothing about any Albanian.

Am I stirring things up by noticing how LE CHIFFRE and GETTLER both had the same eye injury? Is this the next villain's - and their boss - way of ensuring discipline...?

Le Chiffre explicitly named the disease that caused his eye problem. It has no relation to Gettler or the boss's discipline.

[Skudor]

Watching the scene where Vesper explains the necklace...I had thought that the Algerian love knot was relating to LeChiffre, but as I write this, i think that M says he was Albanian? not Algerian?

I believe it was said he was a French Algerian. It said nothing about any Albanian.

Actually, M said MI6 believed Le Chiffre to be Albanian. Vesper's boyfriend is the French-Algerian; he gave her the love knot.

[Mr. Du Pont]

Watching the scene where Vesper explains the necklace...I had thought that the Algerian love knot was relating to LeChiffre, but as I write this, i think that M says he was Albanian? not Algerian?

I believe it was said he was a French Algerian. It said nothing about any Albanian.

Actually, M said MI6 believed Le Chiffre to be Albanian. Vesper's boyfriend is the French-Algerian; he gave her the love knot.

I was referring to the boyfriend.

[Iceheart]

When i saw CR Vesper said it was time to remove the necklace - where did it go? Could the plot for Bond 22 revolve around this neckace? Could the title be 'The Property of a lady'?

i dont know if id be too happy with this

you see one of the wonderful things about the james Bond series is that you can watch any movie without needing to have see any of the others

i know people say that OHMSS and DAF were linke but not really
tracy was his WIFE!!! thats a pretty big thing!!!
it wasnt really carried on anyway
the plot for DAF was nothing to do with tracy

i would be more than happy to have a faint carry on from vesper but not if its based on CR. the idea of a new organisation is brilliant!!! and i look forward to it!!!

does anyone agree???

Iceheart

[Cabainus]

Here's a theory...

Maybe the symbol could end up being the motif for the criminal organisation behind the proceedings of Casino Royale/Bond 22

Kinda like the octopus was used for SPECTRE..

[Rolex]

Heres my theory :After Bond's phone call from M , he goes on line finds Vesper web page as a password he enters :algerian loveknot and hey presto Vesper on video telling Bond why and who is behind this organisation. Bond then shoots Mr White and now he has some more info can question him in more detail. Bit of fun thinking that out

[JimmyBond]

i would be more than happy to have a faint carry on from vesper but not if its based on CR. the idea of a new organisation is brilliant!!! and i look forward to it!!!

does anyone agree???

Iceheart

I don't, sorry. I'm looking forward to seeing an actual sequel in the Bond series. Would be the first time, and follow the theme of "something new/different" that CR started.

[Judo chop]

Algerian Loveknot?

Didn

[byline]

Hmmm...can anyone clarify what M said about Vesper's other lover...I can't recall..She said he was half Algerian and German right?

M said Vesper's boyfriend was French-Algerian . . . hence, the "Algerian love knot" necklace which he gave her, and which, as others have noted, signified her relationship with him. When she took it off, I believe that was meant to signify her love for Bond. She was still committed to saving her boyfriend, but her true love by this time was Bond.

[Death for breakfast]

Exactly. Here's my theory:I think Vesper's boyfriend boyfriend might come after Bond in the next one b/c he might hold Bond responsible for Vesper's death and he also might be jealous that she fell for another man. But i doubt the love knot will come up again.

[autquisest]

So this "loveknot" doesn't involve a dog at all then!?

lol.

Thought the same...Craig doesn

[tdalton]

Exactly. Here's my theory:I think Vesper's boyfriend boyfriend might come after Bond in the next one b/c he might hold Bond responsible for Vesper's death and he also might be jealous that she fell for another man. But i doubt the love knot will come up again.

I think that this could make for a very interesting plot for a Bond movie. It would be another great way to change up the usual "Bond (or MI6) identifies the villain, investigates, and then goes after the villain" structure. This time, Bond would be on the other end of that, and I think that it would allow for much more interesting possibilities within the framework of a Bond film than the usual structure that we've come to know and expect from the films.