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[JimmyBond]

Ok, so calling it "Arnold's Bond theme" is something of a misnomer, since it's merely an action theme. But thanks to the nature of the script, Arnold will not be able to utilize the Bond theme, and thus come up with his own action cue.

That said, do you guys think he'll deliver a classic action theme that years from now we'll be saying: "Man, that would make a great Bond theme to!" (as some of us say about other themes, most notably Barry's great OHMSS theme). Or will it be another Arnold tune, decent enough for the film, but hardly memorable?

I just find all this very fascinating, we're in new territory with this film

[Mr Teddy Bear]

Personally, I think it'll be the later- good enough, but not memorable. I'm just judging by his previous work, although he does say this new Bond will have a new sound, maybe its not fair to judge by past compositions. Still, I'm not going to get my hopes up too much, but I do hope to be proven wrong.

[Harmsway]

I'm thinking good enough, but not memorable.

I do have some hopes, however unfounded and unlikely, that CASINO ROYALE will utilize "007" in some capacity. There's been a lot of talk about it even on Arnold's own message board, and he hasn't come out and denied it, so I suppose there's some level of hope...

[JimmyBond]

I'm not a fan of anyone but Barry using that theme. It's his theme, let him keep it.

[Harmsway]

I'm not a fan of anyone but Barry using that theme. It's his theme, let him keep it.

Well, I think Arnold's original compositions suck, so any time he pirates from Barry would be a good thing. I'd rather just have shamelessly stolen Barry tunes in CASINO ROYALE rather than original Arnold music, I think.

I cringe at the thought of Arnold writing one of his "love themes" for CASINO ROYALE...

[JimmyBond]

In retrospect, I think the 007 Theme would fit nicely over the two big set pieces, yeah...I could get used to the idea of using it

Still would like to hear an original composition (even if he doesnt bring his A-game...but then again, when has he?).

[Harmsway]

In retrospect, I think the 007 Theme would fit nicely over the two big set pieces, yeah...I could get used to the idea of using it

Especially the darker version that Barry introduced in THUNDERBALL... I could *really* see it working well in the Madagascar chase. Something about that pulsing rhythm just underlines determination.

When Arnold compared CASINO ROYALE's score to OHMSS, and it was initially believed he'd be using the OHMSS theme, I was pretty excited - it's a great theme, after all, and would certainly be better than anything Arnold himself would put together. Then came the sad news he was merely modeling the score after OHMSS.

Still would like to hear an original composition (even if he doesnt bring his A-game...but then again, when has he?).

I can only imagine it sounding like that shameless OHMSS knock-off theme that DIE ANOTHER DAY's score was based around. Oh well.

[K1Bond007]

I have no idea.

That's my answer. I've heard some good stuff from him, I've heard some bad. I really, honestly, have no idea what to expect here. The change in the direction and the limit on the use of the Bond theme makes me somewhat optimistic, but I don't know. Although there is a limit on the theme, apparently anyway, I'm sure there will be references to it throughout the film. I don't think it's going to be totally void of it. There is always that chance they could pull a GoldenEye and insert the theme at the last second at a very apt moment in the film (that's one of my favorite uses of the theme, actually - the tank chase).

[Orion]

I really like Arnolds work, and i think, if given the opportunity, he can write a brilliant original theme for the action pieces, i personally don't see how "007" could fit in, it seems a bit too up beat for this particular film.

[Harmsway]

i personally don't see how "007" could fit in, it seems a bit too up beat for this particular film.

Don't you remember the rather dark version of "007" from THUNDERBALL?

[Orion]

i personally don't see how "007" could fit in, it seems a bit too up beat for this particular film.

Don't you remember the rather dark version of "007" from THUNDERBALL?

i do, but "007" was always used in a scene were Bond was kicking an ememy's with considerable ease, theres no moments in CR like that is there?

[K1Bond007]

I do have some hopes, however unfounded and unlikely, that CASINO ROYALE will utilize "007" in some capacity. There's been a lot of talk about it even on Arnold's own message board, and he hasn't come out and denied it, so I suppose there's some level of hope...

I don't think they could without being forced to pay Barry royalties to use it just like they do for Monty Norman. You know they won't do that, and for what? To appease a small portion of the fans who may recognize it? I don't think so.

I don't know how much he could borrow and get away with. He's done it in the past with certain tracks and cues from Goldfinger in Tomorrow Never Dies. Maybe, I guess.

I have no opinion if he uses it. I'd have to hear it because for me the 007 theme is largely a 60s theme - not sure it could work outside of that (DAF is close enough --retracting statement on Moonraker-- still..)

Edited by K1Bond007, 17 September 2006 - 07:13 AM.

[Orion]

I do have some hopes, however unfounded and unlikely, that CASINO ROYALE will utilize "007" in some capacity. There's been a lot of talk about it even on Arnold's own message board, and he hasn't come out and denied it, so I suppose there's some level of hope...

I don't think they could without being forced to pay Barry royalties to use it just like they do for Monty Norman. You know they won't do that, and for what? To appease a small portion of the fans who may recognize it? I don't think so.

I don't know how much he could borrow and get away with. He's done it in the past with certain tracks and cues from Goldfinger in Tomorrow Never Dies. Maybe, I guess.

I have no opinion if he uses it. I'd have to hear it because for me the 007 theme is largely a 60s theme - not sure it could work outside of that (DAF is close enough --retracting statement on Moonraker-- still..)

with the exception of "The James Bond Theme" the music is owned by Sony/MGM not the composer, i know because i had a lengthy discussion with David Arnold about this, as i wanted to borrow some of his music for a film i'm making and he explained that apart from the James bond theme MGM and Sony own the rights to all the music.

[K1Bond007]

I do have some hopes, however unfounded and unlikely, that CASINO ROYALE will utilize "007" in some capacity. There's been a lot of talk about it even on Arnold's own message board, and he hasn't come out and denied it, so I suppose there's some level of hope...

I don't think they could without being forced to pay Barry royalties to use it just like they do for Monty Norman. You know they won't do that, and for what? To appease a small portion of the fans who may recognize it? I don't think so.

I don't know how much he could borrow and get away with. He's done it in the past with certain tracks and cues from Goldfinger in Tomorrow Never Dies. Maybe, I guess.

I have no opinion if he uses it. I'd have to hear it because for me the 007 theme is largely a 60s theme - not sure it could work outside of that (DAF is close enough --retracting statement on Moonraker-- still..)

with the exception of "The James Bond Theme" the music is owned by Sony/MGM not the composer, i know because i had a lengthy discussion with David Arnold about this, as i wanted to borrow some of his music for a film i'm making and he explained that apart from the James bond theme MGM and Sony own the rights to all the music.

Thanks for the info. That makes sense. How did Norman keep the theme though?

[Orion]

I do have some hopes, however unfounded and unlikely, that CASINO ROYALE will utilize "007" in some capacity. There's been a lot of talk about it even on Arnold's own message board, and he hasn't come out and denied it, so I suppose there's some level of hope...

I don't think they could without being forced to pay Barry royalties to use it just like they do for Monty Norman. You know they won't do that, and for what? To appease a small portion of the fans who may recognize it? I don't think so.

I don't know how much he could borrow and get away with. He's done it in the past with certain tracks and cues from Goldfinger in Tomorrow Never Dies. Maybe, I guess.

I have no opinion if he uses it. I'd have to hear it because for me the 007 theme is largely a 60s theme - not sure it could work outside of that (DAF is close enough --retracting statement on Moonraker-- still..)

with the exception of "The James Bond Theme" the music is owned by Sony/MGM not the composer, i know because i had a lengthy discussion with David Arnold about this, as i wanted to borrow some of his music for a film i'm making and he explained that apart from the James bond theme MGM and Sony own the rights to all the music.

Thanks for the info. That makes sense. How did Norman keep the theme though?

it might be because he didn't write it for James Bond, but to be honest i don't really know.

[Kingdom Come]

Isn't part of Arnold's score contained in the trailer? I know films do have other composers music but this sounds like his -it sounds a harsher, a more bombastic theme.

[DamnCoffee]

Arnold is a great composer and the two things that i am looking forward to in CR is Craig as Bond and The score

[Mr Teddy Bear]

What do you make of this: http://www.sonypictu...e/strategygame/

The background music after you log in sounds like it could be part of Arnold's score. What do others think.

Edited by Mr Teddy Bear, 17 September 2006 - 01:34 PM.

[sharpshooter]

Hope so. It sounds very good.

[bernsmartin007]

No idea...we'll have to wait and see.

And that game music sounds like Perfect Dark (N64), very cool.

Edited by bernsmartin007, 17 September 2006 - 02:23 PM.

[Harmsway]

Isn't part of Arnold's score contained in the trailer? I know films do have other composers music but this sounds like his -it sounds a harsher, a more bombastic theme.

No, it's not - it's from the same group that did the music from the teaser trailer.

[Satorious]

Perhaps EON should be employing them instead...

[K1Bond007]

Perhaps EON should be employing them instead...

They most likely only make trailer music. It sounds like Immediate Music to me, but I don't know for sure. Sony has used them in the past, notably for Spider-Man 2 which has a similar sound (listen to Lacrimosa) -- could also just be some unknown individual, Sony has done that too (e.g., Jim Dooley).