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Looking Back: SeaFire


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#1 Athena007

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Posted 24 August 2005 - 06:16 PM

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Looking Back: SeaFire
John Gardner's thirteenth James Bond 007 novel



#2 K1Bond007

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Posted 24 August 2005 - 06:56 PM

I'm so far behind. Sloooow down :) God, I'm still on Icebreaker :)

Good stuff though guys, but can you really call the submarine in TWINE a "mini-sub"? That was a nuclear submarine IIRC.

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Posted 24 August 2005 - 07:28 PM

Read this one a while ago so I don't remember a ton of specifics just that it was rather disappointing to me.

I'm not a big Gardner fan to begin with but I had higher hopes for this one. I was under the impression that the whole thing took place on a cruise liner not just the first chapter then a few later parts (something like that).

I think the story could've been much better had it all taken place on a ship with just Bond, his steel capped shoes, throwing knives and wits. Maybe Flicka could have a gun with her to round out their limited arsenal a bit. What I'm getting at is that I was expecting something claustrophobic and suspenseful and it didn't deliver.

That said, it wasn't awful, but I'd much rather read Licence Renewed or particularly Icebreaker.

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Posted 24 August 2005 - 07:32 PM

I'm a big fan of SeaFire. One of Gardner's better novels.

#5 Jim

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Posted 24 August 2005 - 07:54 PM

Weak book. Goes in a number of directions but never evidently reaches any clear destination.

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Posted 25 August 2005 - 06:31 AM

Nice overview, Devin. I only read the book once, it's kinda like a White Castle burger. You have it once and think it's alright but you're not really craving experiencing it again.

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Posted 25 August 2005 - 08:39 AM

I didn't like it at all. Like CoS, I too had the feeling it all happened on a cruise liner. Kind of "Love Boat" feeling that I didn't fancy. Then the Microglobe-thing got me really angry. M (the M of Fleming at least) would (and should) have said: "Some stupid idea of Whitehall. Call it "Microglobe One". Entirely useless bunch of politicians and careerists from every other ministry. They'll be content with round-the-clock commitee-palaver. We won't bother with the outfit. There is work to do after all."

Felix Leiter was a welcome character, but behaved absolutely stupid. Talk any sense into Maxwell Tarn? Did he hope Tarn might become suddenly a good guy, feel remorse for his sins and beg forgiveness while crying tears? That wasn't Felix Leiter. Tarn's whole plot seemed very farfetched to me. Not my favourite Gardner.

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Posted 25 August 2005 - 09:35 AM

Typical Gardner - the usual cack-handed plotting. Why, for example, could the hijacking of the ship been enough at the start, why add in the fire (if I recall correctly)? Too co-incidental and OTT.

That said, I was never really troubled by the Flicka and Bond thing from the later books or the change in MI6 and the retirement of M. I applaud Gardner's courage not to write within the restrictions of what passes for accepted Bond, the EON formula (that's a note to you, Mr Benson). I have no trouble pensioning off a very old M, Bond in his maturity taking over a more senior admin role in MI6 and settling down with a regular girlfriend: for all the attacks on Gardner, the idea of Bond settling down and becoming less of an action man in his 50s is as likely what Fleming himself would have had Bond do. Yes, Fleming would have Bond become more introspective at his declining powers and more contemplative about his desire to co-habit (as Fleming himself had - Bond mirrors Fleming, of course), but I can still see Fleming's Bond living - at least - as Gardner's.

Still, shame about the plotting.

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Posted 29 April 2010 - 04:38 AM

Without giving away too many plot details, what's Leiter's role in this novel?

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Posted 29 April 2010 - 04:17 PM

Leiter does very little in SeaFire. He shows up, eats dinner, pisses off Tarn, has his prosthetic limbs removed . . . that's about it.

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Posted 29 April 2010 - 04:45 PM

Leiter does very little in SeaFire. He shows up, eats dinner, pisses off Tarn, has his prosthetic limbs removed . . . that's about it.

Why does he have the prosthetic limbs removed?

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Posted 29 April 2010 - 07:29 PM

It's a form of very cruel torture. I'd be giving away too much if I explained further. It's a shame that Leiter was so infrequently used in the Gardner series.

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 08:13 PM

I just read SeaFire for the first time. As a fan of Gardner I really enjoyed it - it was a good read!

I bought both the idea of MicroGlobe One (why that strange name though?) and Bonds relationship to Flicka. I like that Gardner does the Bond universe his own, I don't think I would have liked 14 exact replicas of Flemings novels. Gardners novels feels fresh and that's why I find them so intriguing, and somehow I seem to enjoy his later novels the most.

Sir Max Tarn also is a great villain, probably one of Gardners best, though the part of him being the new "F├╝hrer" seems a little unnecessary. He's quite a creepy guy without the Nazi-connection.

I also like Bonds dealings with MicroGlobe One. The dialogue is well-written and seems plausible, I find that bit quite intresting. Maybe even more intresting than his visits to Madrid, Israel and Germany.

The ending has big promises, but don't really work. It seems a bit rushed, even though the bit where Bond hides in the sub is a great read. The death of Tarn is also a let-down, could've been a bit more drawn-out. But it's all saved on the last page, a great ending of the book!

I think the book is worth a rating of 4 out of 5 stars. A really good read!