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[zencat]

I've liked quite a few movie/book titles on first hearing.

But while not trying to take away the main thrust of where we are in this thread right now in trying to get Qwerty to explain anything of what he means, you are a different kettle of silverfish.

There isn't much you don't like if officially presented to you in the Bond world.

It's true. I'm easy.

[Loomis]

But you admitted the other day that TWINE isn't very good.

A promising start.

[zencat]

Did I? Yes, maybe I did. Oh dear. Is my fanboyness slipping?

The only Bond I remember actively disliking when I first saw it was LTK. I was ranting and raving. Come to think of it, I remeber when I first heard the titke License Revoked I didn't care for it at all. Something about a two word title doesn't really work for Bond.

But now I like the film just fine, and I wish they would have kept License Revoked.

[Qwerty]

I've liked quite a few movie/book titles on first hearing.

But while not trying to take away the main thrust of where we are in this thread right now in trying to get Qwerty to explain anything of what he means, you are a different kettle of silverfish.

There isn't much you don't like if officially presented to you in the Bond world.

It's true. I'm easy.

Both are equally Bondian, IMO.

Based on this thread, I must be as difficult as they come.

Both Bondian? Okay. I think Goldfinger is more Bondian.

[Simon]

How can one further explain when you base discussion solely on the title, on the words? Goldfinger sounds better.

One can't, but you did.

We're asking for some justification of this statement, maybe we're asking to be enlightened.

Goldfinger and Silverfin are exactly the same, two words, total of three syllables but you've made a distinction where others have failed to do so.

Explain.

[Jim]

Both Bondian? Okay. I think Goldfinger is more Bondian.

Tempted to ask why? but if the answer's anywhere near "It just does" - and I suspect it will be - I shall resist the temptation and wander away utterly perplexed.

[Qwerty]

How can one further explain when you base discussion solely on the title, on the words? Goldfinger sounds better.

One can't, but you did.

We're asking for some justification of this statement, maybe we're asking to be enlightened.

Goldfinger and Silverfin are exactly the same, two words, total of three syllables but you've made a distinction where others have failed to do so.

Explain.

Goldfinger is more exotic sounding than SilverFin is. Two words yes, three syllables yes. The word combination, gold finger, not something you would often hear outside of a book, story, film, etc...

[Loomis]

Goldfinger is more exotic sounding than SilverFin is. Two words yes, three syllables yes. The word combination, gold finger, not something you would often hear outside of a book, story, film, etc...

Not sure that that'll silence your critics, Qwert, but at least you're taking a stab at it.

[Simon]

The word combination, gold finger, not something you would often hear outside of a book, story, film, etc...

.....and Silverfin is??

Oh dear.

You said earlier the title evoked images of attacks of killer fish, what then does Goldfinger evoke? Decidedly, my mind goes into the gutter at this point. Where does yours go?

[Simon]

Goldfinger is more exotic sounding than SilverFin is.

Ok, if we just fiddle a bit and do some jiggery pokery, we could ask for thoughts on Silverfinger and Goldfin. Which is the definitive Bondian, all singing and dancing, slap a number one title tune to that title?

Maybe Higson is just having his first joke.

[Loomis]

I wish they would have kept License Revoked.

Nah, you Yanks wouldn't have understood it.

Not sure that you folks understood the film, either, judging by the North American box office results.

[zencat]

The word combination, gold finger, not something you would often hear outside of a book, story, film, etc...

.....and Silverfin is??

Oh dear.

You said earlier the title evoked images of attacks of killer fish, what then does Goldfinger evoke? Decidedly, my mind goes into the gutter at this point. Where does yours go?

One the problems Qwerty is maybe picking up on and trying explain is that there is no Bondian contradiction in this title. Fingers are not gold, so a Gold Finger is intriguing...and possibly perverse in that Bondian way.

But fins are silver so...there isn't that same Bondian goose when you put the words together.

Maybe it should have been GoldFin.

[Qwerty]

The word combination, gold finger, not something you would often hear outside of a book, story, film, etc...

.....and Silverfin is??

Oh dear.

You said earlier the title evoked images of attacks of killer fish, what then does Goldfinger evoke? Decidedly, my mind goes into the gutter at this point. Where does yours go?

I'd imagine hearing a silver fin would be more common than hearing about a gold finger. Hence, a more exotic title.

And the line before in the first reply was a joke.

[Simon]

One of the problems Qwerty is maybe picking up on and trying explain is that there is no Bondian contradiction in this title. Fingers are not gold, so a Gold Finger is intriguing...and possibly perverse in that Bondian way.

But fins are silver so...there isn't that same Bondian goose to putting the words together.

Well, I bet it never crossed his mind, indeed it didn't cross mine.

It takes a subtext king to hit that one out of the ballpark - well done.

[Qwerty]

One of the problems Qwerty is maybe picking up on and trying explain is that there is no Bondian contradiction in this title. Fingers are not gold, so a Gold Finger is intriguing...and possibly perverse in that Bondian way.

But fins are silver so...there isn't that same Bondian goose to putting the words together.

Well, I bet it never crossed his mind, indeed it didn't cross mine.

Well, I bet it never crossed his mind, indeed it didn't cross mine.

Yes, it did.


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I'd imagine hearing a silver fin would be more common than hearing about a gold finger. Hence, a more exotic title.

[zencat]

One of the problems Qwerty is maybe picking up on and trying explain is that there is no Bondian contradiction in this title. Fingers are not gold, so a Gold Finger is intriguing...and possibly perverse in that Bondian way.

But fins are silver so...there isn't that same Bondian goose to putting the words together.

Well, I bet it never crossed his mind, indeed it didn't cross mine.

It takes a subtext king to hit that one out of the ballpark - well done.

Thank you.

Raymond Benson wanted to call The Man With The Red Tattoo...The Man With The Cold Tattoo and I thought that was great and very Bondian. A "cold" tattoo? Very intriguing. Only in a Bond story. But the publishers changed it to "red." Okay. It's a red tattoo. Big whoop.

Sort of the same principle at work.

[Loomis]

Raymond Benson wanted to call The Man With The Red Tattoo...The Man With The Cold Tattoo and I thought that was great and very Bondian. A "cold" tattoo? Very intriguing. Only in a Bond story. But the publishers changed it to "red." Okay. It's a red tattoo. Big whoop.

I much prefer "The Man With the Red Tattoo". "Cold tattoo" don't mean squat. IMO. Although I do see where you're coming from, zencat.

"No Tears For Hong Kong" - now that was a title (although if I'd been in charge, I'd have called "Zero Minus Ten" "Storm Over Asia", borrowing the title of Vsevolod Pudovkin's 1928 masterpiece [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0019286/]).

[Righty007]

What kind of name is SilverPolish for a Young Bond novel?

I can see a lot of kids getting beat up for reading a book with that title.

Little Steve: "I'm reading a book called SilverFin. Yay!"
Bully: "Huh?" *punches Little Steve*
Little Steve: "Ouch! You dumb meanie!"
Bully: *punch*
Little Steve:

[Righty007]

This is the best piece of Bond news I've heard in a long time. SilverFin isn't that bad of a title.

[Qwerty]

Goldfinger sounds better

.

What does that mean? How better? It's your qualification, so justify it.

I'd imagine hearing a silver fin would be more common than hearing about a gold finger. Hence, a more exotic title.

[Simon]

I'd imagine hearing a silver fin would be more common than ........................

Aah, a talking Silverfin.

Mystical. And at the same time, uncommon.

[Tehuti 004]

This is the best piece of Bond news I've heard in a long time. SilverFin isn't that bad of a title.

Not a bad title, but I still think it's a bad idea.

I would consider myself young and I totally disagree with this kind of writing. Bond is a man, not a boy. As for trying to capture another market, why don't they just do more advertising with continuation novels? Surely that would cost less than creating a whole new load of tosh.

I was happy reading the normal Bond and if people aren't interested nowadays in Bond novels then they are hardly going to be turned by a younger 007 are they?

Edited by Tehuti 004, 18 August 2004 - 05:36 PM.

[Qwerty]

I'd imagine hearing a silver fin would be more common than ........................

Aah, a talking Silverfin.

Mystical. And at the same time, uncommon.

"I'd imagine hearing [of] a silver fin would be more common than ........................"

My mistake, left out a word. Perhaps that makes it more clear for you.

[Simon]

Well, I bet it never crossed his mind, indeed it didn't cross mine.

Yes, it did.

OK petal, I'll lay off now.

But you see, even in another 1300 posts, you still couldn't tell us what "had crossed your mind" without Zenka's help!

I just find some of your sweeping statements to be without merit and thus find fun in trying to dig it out of you.

Stay well.

[Qwerty]

Well, I bet it never crossed his mind, indeed it didn't cross mine.

Yes, it did.

OK petal, I'll lay off now.

But you see, even in another 1300 posts, you still couldn't tell us what "had crossed your mind" without Zenka's help!

I just find some of your sweeping statements to be without merit and thus find fun in trying to dig it out of you.

Stay well.

Zencat's help? I did not receive any such help.

I didn't think the first post of mine to be a sweeping statement really, nor was this fun.

Ah well.

[The Silver Beast]

SilverFin?

*Connery voice*

"Sounds like a French nail varnish."

What does the small type that fills the cover say? Can anyone read it?

[Righty007]

Is that sperm on the cover of SilverFin?

[Qwerty]

What does the small type that fills the cover say? Can anyone read it?

I didn't notice that.

[zencat]

It sort of looks like it says "James Bond", but I'm not sure. Looking at the cover, I see we are looking at what will be a continuing series design. The Young Bond target logo in the upper left

[Athena007]

What does the small type that fills the cover say? Can anyone read it?

It says "A James Bond Adventure"

(I have good eyes )