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[Jacques Nexus]

CASINO ROYALE
THE CRAWLING OF THE SKIN (CR)
MIDNIGHT AMONG THE WORMS (LALD)
THE UNDERTAKER'S WIND (LALD)
SPECTREVILLE (DAF)
THE MOGULS OF DEATH (FRWL)
THE WIZARD OF ICE (FRWL- better than Beyond the Ice ?)
MOON KILLER (FRWL)
DRAGON SPOOR (DN)
RISICO
QUANTUM OF SOLACE
SHATTERHAND (YOLT)
ENEMY OF MANKIND (YOLT)
THE DEATH COLLECTOR (YOLT)
PROPERTY OF A LADY
SOLAR PLEXUS (miscellaneous)
STATE OF EXCITEMENT (a book about Kuwait)
SMERSH: DEATH TO SPIES (miscellaneous)

Next up is a list from the Thunderball novel which EON productions can not use:
SPECTRE
RED LIGHTNING
NAKED WARFARE
COUNT RIPPER (Count Lippe's name incorrectly recalled by a Shrublands patient)
ONLY THE DEVIL CAN STOP US (Largo's thoughts after contacting Blofeld upon completion of phase 3)
OMEGAPHASE 3

COLONEL SUN
DRAGON ISLAND (CS)
THE DRAGON'S CLAWS (CS)
THE DROWNED VOLCANO (TSWLM novelisation)
DESTROY TO LIVE (MR novelisation)
WARLOCK (LR)
MELTDOWN (LR)
ICEBREAKER
SHARK ISLAND (NLF)
SCORPIUS
BROKENCLAW
THE MAN WITH THE GLASS HEAD (NSF)
COLD
THE COLD CONSPIRACY
ANTI FREEZE (Cold)
THE SPIDER AND THE ADMIRAL (GE novelisation)

[Blue Eyes]

lol, beginning to crack hey!!

I'll read them all in that order once I find them all. I'm slowly expanding my collection. But finding TSWLM is going to be a complete pain in the ! I have no idea where to get that!

[zencat]

Ditto.

[Blue Eyes]

Hi Jacques! Thanks for coming here and posting, it's great to see such devoted fans joining us

Well as for your list, that must have taken you ages to compile!! But God, do I appreciate it! Here are my thoughts:

BLACK WINGS OF DANGER - excellent title, but I can't see it ending up as a movie title simply because it sounds more like a teen horror flick these days and may do Bond some discredit.
THE THIRD EYE (CR) - not very inspiring because it's such a commonly used phrase.
THE CRAWLING OF THE SKIN (CR) - I love this one
MR B I G (LALD) - Wouldn't work again because LALD had Mr Big and well, he's dead!
MIDNIGHT AMONG THE WORMS (LALD) - Great title, really icky feeling
SILVER PHANTOM (LALD) - I love this but I don't know if it would work for a movie
THE UNDERTAKER'S WIND (LALD) - Same as above
SPECTREVILLE (DAF) - Wouldn't work as a movie title (I think) but would be great to see it as perhaps a DVD Chapter Title should Spectre ever return.
THE MOGULS OF DEATH (FRWL) - Ace Title
THE WIZARD OF ICE (FRWL- better than Beyond the Ice ?) - Ace title and it is better than Beyond The Ice though I do quite like that title!
MOON KILLER (FRWL) - Probably wouldn't work because of Moonraker but then again we have GoldFinger and GoldenEye
DRAGON SPOOR (DN) - Hmmm I'm not really sure. Sounds sort of martial artsy
RISICO - I have no idea what that means!
QUANTUM OF SOLACE - This is my favourite of them all. This would be a great Bond movie title!!! It's so intriguing!!! MY FAVOURITE
THE CRASH OF GUNS (TSWLM) - I like as well but sounds very western
HELL'S DELIGHT (OHMSS) - Sounds like a horror film.
SHATTERHAND (YOLT) - It's starting to grow on me as a film title but I'd love to see it as the villains name
ENEMY OF MANKIND (YOLT) - Quite a good one I could imagine this as a title.
THE DEATH COLLECTOR (YOLT) - Same as the one above.
DISNEYLAND OF DEATH (YOLT) - I think Disney might complain about this one ;p
THE NELSON TOUCH (YOLT) - Who is Nelson? (sorry I haven't read YOLT)
PROPERTY OF A LADY - This is a draw with Quantum of Solace!! I would love to see this as a title!! MY OTHER FAVOURITE!!!
SOLAR PLEXUS (miscellaneous) - Interesting. Has a space feel and could be used!
STATE OF EXCITEMENT (a book about Kuwait) - Same as above.
SMERSH: DEATH TO SPIES (miscellaneous) - Would have been good in the Roger Moore era.
THE GREATEST WEAPON ON EARTH (MR) - Sort of a corny cliche' sorry

As for:

SPECTRE
RED LIGHTNING
NAKED WARFARE
COUNT RIPPER (Count Lippe's name incorrectly recalled by a Shrublands patient)
ONLY THE DEVIL CAN STOP US (Largo's thoughts after contacting Blofeld upon completion of phase 3)
PLAN OMEGA
PHASE 3

They can all be used by EON now! As far as I know that court case allows them to!

And again thanks for that!! Others please post your ideas!!

[Blue Eyes]

What does it mean? James Bond in French by any chance? That's very clever of you

Anyway, in which order do you read Fleming's novels? I know that some leed on to the others. Anyone know?

[Jacques Nexus]

db-4 (14 Aug, 2001 03:36 a.m.):
You guys really ought to read the books.  If you did, a number of the comments written herein would never have been written.

For that, please watch the films.  THE PROPERTY OF A LADY, the title of a Fleming short story, was used in OCTOPUSSY...

Lastly, please watch the mid-60's spy craze B-flicks and check the used paperbacks for the Bond imitators of that time, and you'll see Shatterhand, despite being used by Fleming in YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE, was in a B-flick and novel.  to be used by the Bond folks, they'd cheapen themselves (of course, something they were not averse to in the 70's and 80's) unless they used it in Fleming's own context.

For your information, I have read the novels, many many many many years ago, and believe me I know what I'm talking about. Just because PROPERTY OF A LADY appeared in OCTOPUSSY doesn't mean EON can't use it as a stand alone film.
Secondly...can you provide details about the B-flick & novel called SHATTERHAND ?...Anyway, I can't agree with you when you mention EON would cheapen themselves by using it. Your argument makes no sense to me.

[Jacques Nexus]

I am proud of you Blue Eyes. Keep reading the novels. I think you will find Fleming's style is probably the most unique ever. When you get to read YOLT I am sure you will think it quite bizarre and it's premise the most original you have ever read. I reckon the story could be turned into a film under the title "SHATTERHAND" (another plug!!!).

Also, John Gardner did write some good 007 novels. My favourites are: LR, FSS, NLF, WLOD, BC, LTK, NSF & GE. I still reckon overall he was inferior to Benson.

Anyhow have you noticed how SHATTERHAND (another plug, what's come over me?) and BROKENCLAW are similar titles?...SHATTER=BROKEN & HAND=CLAW.

Lastly, have you wondered what Jacques Nexus means ?. It translates to a name we all know and love. Check nexus in the right dictionary and you'll know what I mean. Goodnight from Nexus.

[WhitePersian]

I couldn't agree more that the novel of YOLT is a vast treasure trove of unused Fleming material, and ought to be filmed as Shatterhand. If they excised all mention of Blofeld by name, it would get around the McClory nuisance factor.

Another unused Fleming title is "The Hildebrand Rarity", which I think has a very intriguing sort of Robert Ludlum/ Frederick Forsyth flavour to it.

[Jacques Nexus]

zencat (14 Aug, 2001 03:54 p.m.):

Jacques Nexus (14 Aug, 2001 10:04 a.m.):

zencat (16 Jul, 2001 04:16 p.m.):
...and the Garden of Death. I've always wanted to see them use the Garden of Death.

I hope you've used it in your own SHATTERHAND treatment ?.

I sure have!

My goodness !...For years I've wondered how to use Fleming's bizarre concept in a film treatment and it's always had me stumped.
________________________________________________________

During Every Earth SHATTERing Event
The HAND Of Fate Always Points To One Man

Secret Agent James Bond 007 Returns In
"SHATTERHAND"

Standby ! Prepare To Battle
The Greatest Enemy Of Mankind...
"SHATTERHAND"

COMING S007N
To A Computer Near You

(Story By Zencat
From An Original Idea By Ian Fleming)

[White Persian]

db-4 (14 Aug, 2001 03:36 a.m.):
and history.

Lastly, please watch the mid-60's spy craze B-flicks and check the used paperbacks for the Bond imitators of that time, and you'll see Shatterhand, despite being used by Fleming in YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE, was in a B-flick and novel.  to be used by the Bond folks, they'd cheapen themselves (of course, something they were not averse to in the 70's and 80's) unless they used it in Fleming's own context.

"Shatterhand" was certainly used in a series of European Westerns based on the Karl May novels, but I don't know of it being used in a "spy" context, so I don't think it would rule out EON using the title.
There was an earlier film called"The Moonraker" [a historical swashbuckler starring George Baker} and a Bond rip-off called "Licensed(sic) To Kill", but these are all pretty much forgotten except by film buffs, and I can't see EON or MGM being bothered by it.

Personally, though, I'd rather see "Shatterhand" used in a treatment of Fleming's wonderfully bizarre novel.

[Jacques Nexus]

zencat (30 Jun, 2001 04:18 p.m.):

Jacques Nexus (02 Apr, 2001 07:09 a.m.):
If anybody out there knows someone in the English press please leak to them the Bond 20 title: SHATTERHAND.It's the best way to plug SHATTERHAND. The fact that it isn't true at the minute won't make any difference to the tabloids.

Eon is well aware of the title SHATTERHAND. Will is be Bond 20? I don't know, but I think leaking it to press is a REALLY bad idea. It could become like BEYOND THE ICE... Eon will have to deny it (because they'll have to deny whatever ridiculous story comes attached to it), and then they may sour on it. Don't worry, they know this title, they like this title, they'll use this title -- some day. Don't give it to the tabloids, please.

Jeez...what did I start here ?. Don't worry "zencat", it was only a joke on my part. Still, it's good to know EON has thought about SHATTERHAND.

[Jacques Nexus]

Hey you cracked the Nexus code pretty fast. If you want to know the order in which to read the Fleming novels; this is it:

CR, LALD, MR, DAF, FRWL, DN, GF, FYEO, TB, TSWLM, OHMSS, YOLT, TMWTGG , OCTOPUSSY & TLD.

Au revoir.

[Boothroyd]

Blue Eyes (01 Jul, 2001 08:46 a.m.):
So EON know of Shatterhand?
Interesting!!

I know they denied TWINE forever before announcing it as the official title. That confused the absolute s***e out of me. Why the hell deny it forever? You could probably shed some light on that Zencat.

Deny It Forever! What a great Bond title. But not as good as SHATTERHAND! Yes SHATTERHAND. www.shatterhand.com

Oh and Mr Nexus (or Mr Bond to those with a dictionary) I'm on the phone to The News Of The World as we speak.

P.S. I personally think the next Bond film should be named after the baddie so am 100% behind SHATTERHAND.

[zencat]

Jacques Nexus (02 Apr, 2001 07:09 a.m.):
If anybody out there knows someone in the English press please leak to them the Bond 20 title: SHATTERHAND.It's the best way to plug SHATTERHAND. The fact that it isn't true at the minute won't make any difference to the tabloids.

Eon is well aware of the title SHATTERHAND. Will is be Bond 20? I don't know, but I think leaking it to press is a REALLY bad idea. It could become like BEYOND THE ICE... Eon will have to deny it (because they'll have to deny whatever ridiculous story comes attached to it), and then they may sour on it. Don't worry, they know this title, they like this title, they'll use this title -- some day. Don't give it to the tabloids, please.

[zencat]

Jacques Nexus (01 Jul, 2001 10:55 a.m.):
Jeez...what did I start here ?. Don't worry "zencat", it was only a joke on my part. Still, it's good to know EON has thought about SHATTERHAND.

Sorry Nexus, I didn't mean to freak out. It's just you're right, SHATTERHAND is a great title and should be the title to Bond 20, but I think Eon needs to feel like it's "their" title. You know how they are about "offical" announcments. As far as TWINE goes and why they denyed it for so long... I don't know this for sure, but my feeling is Eon and the writers and Pierce all liked the title and wanted to go with it, but MGM didn't sign off until late. I think it may have been a bit of a battle, which is why I think Bond 20 might be a one word title. (Studios love one word titles that you don't have to translate around the world; like GoldenEye and Shatterhand.) We'll see.

[Blue Eyes]

So EON know of Shatterhand?
Interesting!!

I know they denied TWINE forever before announcing it as the official title. That confused the absolute s***e out of me. Why the hell deny it forever? You could probably shed some light on that Zencat.

[Blue Eyes]

Zencat sure did! And it's a fantastic use! And an excellent concept.

[Blue Eyes]

Jacques Nexus (28 Mar, 2001 11:25 a.m.):
Nexus here again. . .

Hi again! Well I'm slowly working through all the Bond books, I have a few coming in soon that I ordered online. I like them all, even Gardner. He wasn't a brilliant Bond author but I did like his style. I think one of his better ones was GoldenEye

And as for Octopussy, well I wondered for ages what that was

[Jacques Nexus]

zencat (16 Jul, 2001 04:16 p.m.):
...and the Garden of Death. I've always wanted to see them use the Garden of Death.

I hope you've used it in your own SHATTERHAND treatment ?. When it's posted, it maybe the BIGGEST BOND EVENT of 2001.

[rubixcub]

Let's keep up the plugging of SHATTERHAND. He's already beginning to concede to the title LOL!

Dave

[Jacques Nexus]

WhitePersian (30 Jun, 2001 11:34 a.m.):
I couldn't agree more that the novel of YOLT is a vast treasure trove of unused Fleming material, and ought to be filmed as Shatterhand. If they excised all mention of Blofeld by name, it would get around the McClory nuisance factor.

Another unused Fleming title is "The Hildebrand Rarity", which I think has a very intriguing sort of Robert Ludlum/ Frederick Forsyth flavour to it.

Yes White Persian, YOLT is a remarkable story and it's premise is probably the most original, if bizarre I've ever read. Don't be surprised somethings from it, such as Tanaka, Henderson etc turn up in Benson's next novel. Although I haven't completed reading NEVER DREAM OF DYING I get the impression Yoshida will probably prance around in a Samurai outfit ala Shatterhand. My favourite other Fleming treasures that haven't been fully exploited are: LALD & FAVTAK shortstory. You mentioned THR; that's a brilliant story. I can think up a way of using that in a film. I have written about it in the fan fiction area, under the topic "A LITTLE BIT MORE OF EVERYTHING OR NOTHING", a thread by "R".

[db-4]

You guys really ought to read the books. If you did, a number of the comments written herein would never have been written.

For that, please watch the films. THE PROPERTY OF A LADY, the title of a Fleming short story, was used in OCTOPUSSY (how could anyone NOT have known what that would be ? Fleming was cute, but always managed a faint "normal" meaning for his names) to refer to the item up for auction, the Faberge egg. Perhaps this would not prevent it from being used again...Perhaps even to refer to the egg again, as a "McGuffin" (Hitchcock's name for a meaningless and ultimately irrelevant plot device) and to give some context and history.

Lastly, please watch the mid-60's spy craze B-flicks and check the used paperbacks for the Bond imitators of that time, and you'll see Shatterhand, despite being used by Fleming in YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE, was in a B-flick and novel. to be used by the Bond folks, they'd cheapen themselves (of course, something they were not averse to in the 70's and 80's) unless they used it in Fleming's own context.

[Jacques Nexus]

I have modified my titles list and added some more for anyone interested in making comments. Please go back to field 1.

[Jacques Nexus]

Well it's nice to see the SHATTERHAND bandwagon is still rolling along. If EON uses the title, let's hope they use all the other good stuff (Japanese Castle of Death, etc) from the YOLT novel...Personally I doubt they would. The basic plot is brilliant, though bizarre for a 007 movie.

[Jacques Nexus]

Nexus here again. Thanks Blue Eyes for your comments. I agree with most of what you said. You are right QUANTUM OF SOLACE is a brilliant title. The key to a good Bond title is that it must be intriguing and carry a lot of mystique. Just imagine in the eighties when people saw the title OCTOPUSSY !!!!!!. Back then I remember how pumped up I was to watch it just to figure out what the title meant.

You mentioned you have not read YOLT. Every 007 fan should read all the novels. As much a 007 nut as I am I have to admit that Fleming was not a great story teller. He was though a great writer with phenonemal powers of description. On the other hand Benson is a great story teller but not as good a writer as Fleming (I love Benson's novels). Poor old Gardner was a dud in both respects.

Lastly, you mentioned EON can now use Thunderball ?. I'm not too sure about that. I thought the court case was about McClory trying to produce a series of Bond films not based on the TB storyline. Anyway I wish that guy would disappear... permanently. He has been leeching off 007 for ever. His claims over SPECTRE & Blofeld are bull. In my view Fleming invented them which means EON should have the right to use them in future (It won't happen).

I'll have somemore titles for you in future. Bye for now.

[zencat]

Jacques Nexus (14 Aug, 2001 10:04 a.m.):

zencat (16 Jul, 2001 04:16 p.m.):
...and the Garden of Death. I've always wanted to see them use the Garden of Death.

I hope you've used it in your own SHATTERHAND treatment ?.

I sure have!

[zencat]

...and the Garden of Death. I've always wanted to see them use the Garden of Death.

[Jacques Nexus]

If anybody out there knows someone in the English press please leak to them the Bond 20 title: SHATTERHAND.

It's the best way to plug SHATTERHAND. The fact that it isn't true at the minute won't make any difference to the tabloids.