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[Tarl_Cabot]

In Goldeneye, Why is Alec Trevelyn 006 MAD at James Bond 007? Why is he harboring a vendetta against Bond for his scarred face("For giving me this face') as a result of their joint mission to sabatoge a chemical weapons facility in the USSR? The film explains why he wants to exact revenge upon the U.K but not specifically 007.

As I recall,In the pretitle scene 006 yelled to Bond "Blow them all to hell" after he was captured and held at gun point;the audience and Bond heard a gunshot and saw 006 presumably fall dead after the shot was fired but NOT seen. So, Bond reset the timer for the explosives for 3 minutes instead of 6 minutes and narrowly escaped. If 006 was faking dead, he should have assumed Bond thought he was indeed dead and did what he had to do to escape, right? What am I missing here? The General and 006 were secretly allies and they faked the execution to capture Bond? It still doesn't deal with 006's anger. Bond did what he thought he needed to do to survive. This has been bugging me since 95! I read so many posts that praise Goldeneye as the best Brosnan film or even best of them all, period. I see a huge hole in logic here. I've seen this film many times and it still makes no sense or is not adequately explained. Any takers?

[mkkbb]

I wondered this too, and as soon as I think I've answered it another theory appears, like you have described above.

[Daltonitus]

Bond has everything 006 didn't.

He (006) feels like the underling and so manifests his hate in the direction of the 'master' of the 00 section - Bond.

[marktmurphy]

Why does 006 fake his death if he thinks Bond is about to die? Did Ouromov and he work something in those couple of seconds? If not why didn't 006 kill him in the store room as soon as he saw him? Why doesn't he turn the bombs off? Or why did he even set them in the first place if he didn't want them going off? Is he deaf after having a gun go off so near his head? Is Ouromov firing blanks? If so, is that guard he shoots while Bond is hiding behind his trolley pretending as well? How is it the base is at the bottom of a dam, down some stairs, through a floor, down some more stairs and yet is still at the top of a cliff with a runway on it? Does James Bond really drink pints? But most importantly: who really gives a toss? I mean, really?

[Tanger]

marktmurphy,
Your remarks a similar to the theory found in the Bond Files - how, when and why was it necessary?

Who knows but it makes good viewing.

[Tarl_Cabot]

Markmurphy, Nice! That's exactly why I posed the Q; you see the pretitle of Goldeneye is a logistic disaster! I wonder why people loved that film so much when the the film's set up makes no sense at all. Yes, Q:why is the entrance of the facility at the bottom of a damn? A:To make Bond do a really cool jump. Why does the tempeture drop 20 degrees and snow apears everywhere 5 minutes later? That movie is a mess.

[Brix Bond]

Oh shut up and just watch it.

LoL

[Tarl_Cabot]

LOL

It's a bad pre-title, horrible song,uneven score and pretty weak film. Dalton was smart to retire;he saw huge plotholes in the script and politely said no thank you...I was just wondering why so many 007 fans love it so much...

[MrDraco]

Yeah Goldeneye had its flaws but all movies do i don't see why everyone has such a hate toward Die Another Day in a away, booth movies are identical i setup,
Goldeneye:006 is shot assumed dead but comes back:
Die Another Day: Colonel Moon goes off the cliff and is assumed dead

Goldeneye: Didn't explan how 006 survived
Die Another Day: Didn't explan how Moon survived

And they booth come back mid movie in a weird way...

[Jamie007]

Bond fans complaining about realism?

[Contessa]

Good question, Tarl_Cabot.

To be honest, I always appreciated the acting and atmosphere of GE more than its plot, which I generally let slide. My assumption was that 006 somehow survived being shot (at point-blank range; yeah, I know), played possum, and got out right before the explosion. His anger at 007 perhaps makes a little more sense (as much sense as a Bond baddie's anger can). 007 has had an easier life than he has, has gained more prestige in MI6, and Trevelyn thinks of him as a sort of selfish toady. He was willing to risk Trevelyn's life to preserve his own.

That's my take, anyway. Anyone else?

[Mister Asterix]

I thought it was because he was a madman.

As for the pre-titles, we must assume that the general and Alec had other plans for Bond. I assume that in this pre-titles Bond completely spoiled 006’s first plan for revenge on England.

On the question of how Bond entered the facility at the bottom of the dam yet ended up at the top of the mountain. Well, how did Bond get from London to Iceland in Die Another Day? How did Bond’s body get from the Hong Kong bed to the naval ship in Diamonds Are Forever. How did Bond get from M’s office to Q’s lab a dozen times?

The answer is the same for these questions as it is for the weapons facility question in GoldenEye:

We don’t know because they didn’t show it.

But wouldn’t it have made a great movie to show Bond climbing a hundred flight of stairs or wait patiently for the lift?

[Daltonitus]

I think you guys are missing some really obvious (to me anyway) reasons for all of the pretitles (well, bar the Dam-to-middle-of-nowhere-magic).

006 had to show Bond he died so that noone would investigate, Bond could say 'oh yes he blew up real good with the rest of em' and that would be that.
Secondly, Bond had to 'get away' with the mission for similar reasons, nothing suspect, nothing that needed re-looking into. 006 Could basically escape and wouldn't be looked for, suspected, etc.

[Double-Oh-Zero]

It's a simple answer to a simple question: 006 is mad at Bond because...

There was no one else in the film for him to be mad at, other than all of England itself. Well, he couldn't just waltz into MI6 headquarters and take his anger out by killing everyone. He could, but then there'd be no film, would there? So, he just took it all out on Bond, because he was his former friend, ally, and the chap who made him legally disfigured. Plus, it made for a jolly good fight at the end.

[MrDraco]

I think Double-Oh-Zero wrapp'ed'er up
(Lights smoke like Noel Gallgher)

[General Koskov]

He's mad at Bond because of muddled writing. No doubt Michael France had a good story in his head, but somewhere in the screenplay the reson for Trevelyan's anger was lost.

My theory is that Trevelyan saw Bond as the tolken Englishman and put all of his anti-English feelings at Bond. I have explained the pre-title sequence in anther thread (according to my theory).

[Tarl_Cabot]

My point exactly:Bad writing.That pretitle makes no sense and that's why it's my least favorite in the series in addition to the really FAKE fall into the plane. That film is sooooo over rated.

Cheers.