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[11 11]

After DAD first came out in the UK and US I went to imdb.com to look at what user rating it was getting. After like 1300 voyes it had a 7.8 and I noticed the user posts were all saying how DAD was the best Bond ever, fantastic, 10/10, etc.

Today I went to look and now it has 8,233 votes and a 6.6 user rating.
Plus I browsed through some of the user messages and noticed several that basically said DAD was utterly awful and unbearable.

What worries me here is that since the first movie goers undoubtedly were Bond fans, and the ones to follow were just normal movies goers, instead of specific Bond fans, it would seem that the non-Bond fans are not at all pleased with this movie.

I mean really how could it have that huge of a drop off in user rating?

Since the longer it is out, and when it comes to DVD etc., more non bond fans will see it, will the casual Bond fans and the non Bond fans start losing interest in going to see these Bond movies?

Looking at the trend it doesn't look like the regular non-Bond fan movie audience is pleased with how the franchise is going.

Then again maybe I am just crazy, but I do not like how the looks though.

[JackChase007]

Well, when it first comes out, there will be only a few people who vote on it. As more and more people vote on it, you're likely to get a large variety of scores that people give the film. The scores are all averaged, therefore giving a certain score - the more people who have voted, the less likely that a score of "10" or "1" will change the rating.

Something like that...

[Jimbo007]

Its all big math (averages, medians, maximums, etc.) that puts the average score together. I liked the movie for one. I asked some friends and family memebers who saw the movie if they like it. It turned out getting mixed ratings. Quite a large number of positives, some mixed, and a small amount of negative (averaged out it would be 7/10). 11 11, your not crazy because I agree with you that I don't like the looks of it either but then again we may get lucky with Bond 21...

[JackChase007]

Well, I still go in there every once in awhile to throw them another "10" to add to their average...

[Stuart007]

Compare it with the ratings for the other Bond films and you'll see that none of them get brilliant ratings. There are no Bond films in the top 250. Perhaps we should all get voting on IMDB and get those ratings higher.

Stuart

[Jimbo007]

I used to go to IMDB all the time but now I forgot the address. Can someone post it for me? I will put 10 in to average it out too.

[Red Widow Dawn]

I pointed out the IMDb thing in another thread. It's likely to fall even more, which would mean it's the least popular Brosnan film.

Also, trying to to improve the average is a stupid idea, since it's both:

1) Dishonest
2) Slightly fanatical
3) Ineffective (there's like...20 000 votes already)

But here's the address anyway: www.imdb.com

Also, Goldfinger made it on one of the lists. Why? Because Sean Connery is God.

[homerjbond]

Here's how IMDb rated the Bonds:

GF 7.7
FRWL 7.3
DN 7.2
TSWLM 6.9
TB 6.8
YOLT 6.8
OHMSS 6.7
FYEO 6.7
GE 6.7
DAF 6.6
LALD 6.6
DAD 6.6
TND 6.5
TWINE 6.5
TLD 6.4
TMWTGG 6.3
OP 6.3
LTK 6.1
MR 5.9
AVTAK 5.9

[11 11]

Well OHMSS is better than YOLT or TB, but other than that, that list is amazingly acurate.

However TLD does seem afwully low, but I realize how many people dislike Dalton so I will go with it.

All in all that list is surprisingly accurate.

[rubixcub]

Originally posted by Stuart007
Compare it with the ratings for the other Bond films and you'll see that none of them get brilliant ratings. There are no Bond films in the top 250. Perhaps we should all get voting on IMDB and get those ratings higher.

Stuart

"Goldfinger" used to be, toward the bottom.

Dave

[gkgyver]

I don't know what other people think of it, but I'm really worried about this. Bond movies are slowly losing their bondish touch. What's left is a straight action movie in which both real Bond fans and casual Bond fans lose interest. What's left is the young audience that don't have such a strong connection to Bond and grow up with 007 movies that are "just" high-class action films.
And don't expect a change too soon; MGM claims that Bond 21 will follow the style of DAD.

[KMHPaladin]

Well, since the ridiculous over-the-top second half of the movie was clearly aimed toward the unwashed masses, perhaps MGM will take a hint.

I think not.

[1q2w3e4r]

Yeah ain't it grand. Well, that's what my DVD collections for. I told my friend after first seeing Die Another Day that I loved the first hour. And the second I was to shocked at to know what to think. I thought I hated it but I wasn't too sure. Though I did make the prediction that if they keep going like they will, I'll just lock myself up in a room and watch my DVD's and not follow the progress of the film and just see it once at the cinemas and pick up the DVD upon release.

[Adam]

Originally posted by gkgyver
I don't know what other people think of it, but I'm really worried about this. Bond movies are slowly losing their bondish touch. What's left is a straight action movie in which both real Bond fans and casual Bond fans lose interest. What's left is the young audience that don't have such a strong connection to Bond and grow up with 007 movies that are "just" high-class action films.
And don't expect a change too soon; MGM claims that Bond 21 will follow the style of DAD.

I wouldn't worry about it; Die Another Day had a huge box office gross and it sucked...they're not going anywhere

[JackChase007]

Originally posted by Adam


I wouldn't worry about it; Die Another Day had a huge box office gross and it sucked...they're not going anywhere

Hate to burst your bubble, there pal, but there ARE a good chunk of Bond fans out there who enjoy DAD in it's entirety.

[Red Widow Dawn]

That's hardly a logical argument.

There's a chunk of Bond fans that like A View To A Kill as well. And Moonraker. And The Man With The Golden Gun. There are a good chunk of fans for every Bond movie.

[11 11]

Well DAD's rating is down again, I looked today, even though several posters here said they were going to go put in a bunch of 10 votes it is still dropping.

Basically this proves the point that I was right when I saw DAD-it was one of the maybe the worst Bond movie.

Does EON just not get it? Bond movies are not action movies with a big budget and a Bond. They are supposed to be cool, sophisticated, sylish, suave, etc. They have 3 straight Bonds now with none of these qualities, and honestly i am beginning to wonder about the franchise.

They don't even seem to care either about wasting a good Bond like Brosnan on these movies.

[mrmoon]

Originally posted by 11 11
Well DAD's rating is down again, I looked today, even though several posters here said they were going to go put in a bunch of 10 votes it is still dropping.

Basically this proves the point that I was right when I saw DAD-it was one of the maybe the worst Bond movie.

Well to be truly honest it actually means **** all.

Originally posted by 11 11
Does EON just not get it? Bond movies are not action movies with a big budget and a Bond. They are supposed to be cool, sophisticated, sylish, suave, etc. They have 3 straight Bonds now with none of these qualities, and honestly i am beginning to wonder about the franchise.

You obviously never watch James Bond films then, got to say can't remember a Bond film ever being made on anything less than a big budget, also can't seem to remember a Bond without action.

I really truly, honestly don't get what people like yourselves are after from a Bond film, infact I do but the fact it hasn't been present since the 60's leaves me wondering why you are still harping on about it.

[11 11]

I understand what you are saying, I think after OHMSS some Bond mystique left, then after OP some more Bond mystique left.

However, I felt GE had a lot of the true Bond elements and that is what i am looking for out of Bond.

TND was fine by me, I am all for a total all out action over the top etc. Bond once in awhile.

But when it gets to 3 in a row that focus on things other than the Bond elemets and mystique it does bother me.

How hard would it be to to get back to the things that were done so well in GE?

[Red Widow Dawn]

Originally posted by mrmoon


Well to be truly honest it actually means **** all.  

Actually, it means most Bond fans are unhappy with DAD. It also means that you're in the minority. So don't act all confused about why people think it sucked.

You can't just shrug off 9000 people who have voiced their valid opinions.

[Loomis]

Who cares about the IMDB rating? Proves absolutely bugger-all. What's the percentage of people who have seen DAD that have bothered to add their vote? Miniscule, I imagine. And since when did some Mickey Mouse Internet poll become the last word on anything?

[Red Widow Dawn]

They use proper scientific methodology.

[quote]The formula for calculating the top 250 films gives a true Bayesian estimate:

weighted rank (WR) = (v

[Loomis]

Originally posted by Red Widow Dawn
It's alright to like DAD.

I know.

Originally posted by Red Widow Dawn
But don't claim that everyone else agrees with you.

I don't.

Besides, scientific methadology aside, the accuracy of the IMDB presupposes that everyone who posts:

(a) posts once only (who's to say that there aren't people who post repeatedly - a scary thought, I know, but, hey, this is the Internet, after all),

and ( is correct.

[Red Widow Dawn]

Um...they have safeguards in place to prevent multiple voting. I just posted their statement on the subject. Besides, even if people WERE able to repeatedly post, I've only seen pro-DADers talk about vote-stuffing.

And what do you mean by "everyone who posts is correct"? I'm pretty sure they know whether they liked a movie or not.

[mrmoon]

Originally posted by Red Widow Dawn
Actually, it means most Bond fans are unhappy with DAD.  It also means that you're in the minority.  So don't act all confused about why people think it sucked.

Hmm did I act all confused... er no. I just said that it meant **** all which is what it does. Would you like to accuse anyone of anything else while your at it?

As Loomis says scientific methodology also means very little - we're not dealing with fact here we're dealing with opinion. doh.

[Adam]

Originally posted by JackChase007


Hate to burst your bubble, there pal, but there ARE a good chunk of Bond fans out there who enjoy DAD in it's entirety.

Aww, how mature of you to belittle me...anyway I wasn't referring to "Bond fans" because "Bond fans" don't matter...most will pay to see it regardless of whether it sucks or not.

[Loomis]

Sorry, Widster, this IMDB lark still proves zip. Let's say (as you have done) that 9,000 people post to declare that they don't like a given film. Does that prove that the film in question is bad? Does it prove that there are not millions of people out there who enjoyed it?

There are lies, damned lies, statistics and Internet polls.

[Red Widow Dawn]

Originally posted by mrmoon

As Loomis says scientific methodology also means very little - we're not dealing with fact here we're dealing with opinion. doh.

But "x many people enjoyed the movie y" is a fact. The subsets of each individual vote may be an opinion, but the overall opinion is a fact.

[Loomis]

But thousands of people just make mindless mouse clicks on polls like these. And if you're going to talk about scientific methodology, we don't know anything about the criteria these people are using to judge the film.

[Red Widow Dawn]

Originally posted by Loomis
Sorry, Widster, this IMDB lark still proves zip. Let's say (as you have done) that 9,000 people post to declare that they don't like a given film. Does that prove that the film in question is bad? Does it prove that there are not millions of people out there who enjoyed it?

Of course there are millions of people out there who enjoyed DAD. There's also millions of people who disliked DAD. The 9000 people are a "cross-section" of the actual number.

In fact, if you don't like the way they put together DAD's rating, they've shown the demographic breakdowns. This allows others to put it together any way they like. Give it a try, Loomis.