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[DLibrasnow]

Well, the Friday figures sare in and Bond dropped to number 9.

With, a slew of releases coming out next week (including "Catch Me If You Can" and the new Clooney/Roberts/Barrymoore/Pitt movie --- who was it that said they thought DAD would still be in the Top 10 by the ebd of the month?? --- I don't think so...As I have been saying all along, I predict a #13 spot for DAD by the end of December.

[gkgyver]

You say what I thought, DL
I saw Two Towers this Thursday and... well, how could I say?
I never thought that this could be possible, but the movie catched me a lot more than DAD. I also think that TT is alot better than DAD.
I know, it's hard to compare these two movies, but the "presentation" of TT is amazing. The screenplay boosts Bond away, the actors boost Bond away, the effects boosts Bond away and also the score kicks Bond's ***.

[Robinson]

C'mon y'all... Today's "blockbusters" no longer stay in the top ten for more than a couple of months. Unless the film's a true phenomenon like Spider-Man or My Big, Fat Greek Wedding, expect films to bow out all together within' 3 months of their opening.

George Lucas said it best. When asked why his current crop of Star Wars films aren't staying in the theaters the way the original trilogy did, he simply blamed the multiplex for his film's "demise."

It blew my mind when I saw that DAD was running on over 3000 screens in the US. Three THOUSAND???? That's a bit much.

Being a child of the seventies, I remember Star Wars playing at the Loews Orpheum in Manhattan for over a year! Titanic had a run that lasted almost as long.

Those are the things that stay with you. I just hope that DAD lasts long enough for me to catch it on the big screen again before the DVD's released.

[Felix's lighter]

DLibrasnow, what's your point? A movie to stay in the Top Five forever? Today's modern movies are designed to make all they can in their opening weekend and split. If you want a true "flop" look at Nemesis. Looking at boxofficemojo, it's TTT and whatever else. The bottom seven or eight movies are all within a few hundred thousand of each other. So big deal if it falls out of the Top Ten. In reality, even though it made less, DAD had had had stronger staying power than Harry Potter, and continues to do so.

[zencat]

The fact that DAD had yet to take a 50% decline is amazing. Most big movies decline 50% or more in their second weekend. The B.O. performance of DAD is rock solid.

[DLibrasnow]

My point is that a number of people on CBn gave me hell for saying that I didn't think that DAD would be in the Top 10 at the end of December. What's your point Felix's Lighter??? You seem to be saying the same thing I have been saying for the past few days here on CBn.
My point is, to all those who said DAD would remain in the Top 10 until Jan. 2003, TOLD YA SO!!!!
With all those big movies opening up on Dec. 25th and next Friday (which is still in December) I can safely say --- I was right and all of you were wrong!!

[DLibrasnow]

Hmmm...Isn't it strange how all those who said that DAD would remain in the Top 10 until the end of the month are strangely silent right now.

[Felix's lighter]

DLibrasnow, are you a Bond fan or are you not? Why are you taking joy in the film dropping to Number 9? Of course it was inevitable, but we'd all like to see it do better. What's your problem?

[Felix's lighter]

"Being a child of the seventies, I remember Star Wars playing at the Loews Orpheum in Manhattan for over a year! Titanic had a run that lasted almost as long."

THAT is my frustration exactly. I hate this "front-loading" of movies that makes it so a film takes in around 50% of its box office in its first weekend and then disappears. The reason it bothers me is because it does not give people with busy schedules long enough to see a movie in the theater. Obviously, hardcore fans make an exception for Bond, but there are probably lots of people who wouldn't have minded seeing it that will most likely have to wait for the video release.

This is true even with the biggest blockbusters. Episode Two was the second-highest grossing film of the year, yet it was virtually gone after two months of release.

I'm a child of the Seventies and Eighties too, and I must admit I miss the slower pace of life in general. Back then, a movie like Star Wars would be released in limited release in May 1977, prove to draw an audience and then be given wider release. Star Wars, for all intents and purposes, played virtually non-stop for the remainder of the Seventies. It was re-released in 1978 and 1979, in addition to smaller re-releases in 1980, 1981 and 1982.

Even a more moderate hit could have a theatrical run of an entire year, when you consider the length of time it would take a print to get out to some rural areas in the Seventies. Case in point: my local theatre did not receive a print of The Spy Who Loved Me until July 1978 - an entire year after its release. The drawback of those days was that you had to wait so long for a movie to "come to a theatre near you." The upside was that films played long enough that you could catch them.

[DLibrasnow]

What's your problem....I am not taking joy in it dropping to number 9...I am feeling vindicated after being ridiculed by other CBn members.

I said last week that I thought those that were saying DAD would stay in the Top 10 well into 2003 were being a little over optimistic. I was subsequently belittled by people.

Now that DAD is at number 9 and there are several movies with top flight names opening before the month is out...I feel I have a right to point out that (contrary to the flaming I got earlier) I was right all along...

As for being a Bond fan - yes I am....are you??

[RayBros007]

Well I for one must agree with DLibrasnow... So he's a realist. Movies cannot and will not last forever when it comes to the B.O... And just because he is willing to accept this doesn't mean that he isn't a true Bond fan. I'm so sick of people dissing others fans and sayin that they're not true Bond fans just becuase they aren't defending him at every turn:mad: ... It's such ****... and it's not necesary...

[Felix's lighter]

DLibrasnow, I'm a realist. I was hoping the movie could hold on a little longer, but realistically I knew the competition was too strong. You, however, seem to take great joy in the fact.

[Blue Eyes]

I think that DLibrasnow has made it pretty clear that he is taking no joy at all in Die Another Day's drop. He's stated it several times.

He's making a point that he was right that it would drop out of the top ten. I don't see any point where he celebrates that fact. The only thing he celebrates is that he was right (or could be, as we really haven't seen the future yet have we?).

[BONDFINESSE 007]

this really is the most foolish forum discusion i have seen in a long time, i dont care about numbers, figures i dont get off on that> i am however a major bond fan and i loved the movie and if it had only had made 5.oo$ and had not cracked the top 10 i would still have loved it. let stop with the numbers talk and enjoy our man james, cause in the end thats why we are here...to all my fellow bond fans i wish you all a merry christmas

[Vodka Martino]

Well put, BONDFINESSE 007. It's not about the numbers, gang. It's about the thrill. The only numbers we should care about are two zeroes and a seven.
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, everybody. And remember, James Bond's primary objective in nearly every film is peace on Earth...by any means necessary!

Vodka Martino

P.S.- Something to ponder over the holiday season; have you noticed that there is always a scene in the Brosnan Bond flicks showing M with a drink in her hand? And another thing; what the hell possessed 007 to sniff Rosa Klebb's old shoe in DAD?
Yeah, I know, I got too much free time.

[brendan007]

Originally posted by BONDFINESSE 007
this really is the most foolish forum discusion i have seen in a long time, i dont care about numbers, figures i dont get off on that> i am however a major bond fan and i loved the movie and if it had only  had made 5.oo$ and had not cracked the top 10 i would still have loved it. let stop with the numbers talk and enjoy our man james, cause in the end thats why we are here...to all my fellow bond fans i wish you all a merry christmas

while how much money it makes does not affect how much i enjoyed DAD, if it doesnt make any money i wont get to enjoy Bond 21, 22 ect. That is why I and probably a lot of other Bond fans are interested in the numbers.

[DLibrasnow]

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all my fellow Bond fans.
If there happens to be any African Americans here I also wish you a Happy Kwanzaa..

[iceberg]

Likewise, DLN.... Don't mix any Vodka Martinis with your egg nog. Have fun, and as our beloved M says:

"Come back alive..."


Ciao

[RayBros007]

Well... I hope everyone has tried and put the past behind us try and celebrate all things Bond and these last few days of 2002...

Merry Christmas, Happy Haunakah(Sp?), and a Happy New Year to all of you!!!

[DLibrasnow]

Yes, I am burying the hetchet....I'm hoping we can all be thankful that Bond is still with us today and that he will return...

Merry Christmas to all, Happy belated Hannukah, Happy New Year, Ramadan or Kwanzaa....

[Felix's lighter]

I still say it's a pain in the butt that everything is front-loaded for maximum impact in the first weekend and it quickly disappears. That's not just a complaint about DAD - it's about movies in general.

And it's not just about movies, either. That's merely a reflection of our trendy, anything-for-a-buck, instant gratification society.

[zencat]

Oh my God...Star Trek dropped 76% this weekend. Ouch.

Not surprisingly, DAD took its biggist fall this weekend, 49%. But, as I said before, most "event" movies decline by 50% in the second weekend...DAD had yet to take a 50% drop. I love this.

DAD is a 138.5 mil and holding on fine.

[SeanValen00V]

DAD has been very successful, its going to drop out, Bond will return, DVD on its way, no other fans of other action fanchises have it as good as us, enjoy and Merry Christmas.

[Xenobia]

OK...as of right now, Bond is number 10 for the week, but it has surpassed TWINE.

So, I would say this was a good weekend for Mr. Bond.

And btw...me thinks Bond will stay in the top ten next weekend.

-- Xenobia

[Gogol]

I just think we should be thankful that it did as well as it did. It certaintly proved that Bond is still a phenomenon. Star Trek certainly can't boast that! That franchise is headed straight to hell! I'm sure people would probably get sick of 20 Lord of the Rings Movies. Bring on Bond 21!

[Donovan]

Originally posted by Robinson
George Lucas said it best. When asked why his current crop of Star Wars films aren't staying in the theaters the way the original trilogy did, he simply blamed the multiplex for his film's "demise."

Leave it Lucas to blame someone else for his two new lack-luster films' less-than-expected business.

There is no magical formula for successful business. Good films make a lot of money.

Originally posted by zencat
Oh my God...Star Trek dropped 76% this weekend. Ouch.

Not surprisingly, DAD took its biggist fall this weekend, 49%. But, as I said before, most "event" movies decline by 50% in the second weekend...DAD had yet to take a 50% drop. I love this.

DAD is a 138.5 mil and holding on fine.

Those percentage drops are not related to the first weekend. They are based on the previous weekend's business. There's just no readable victory in a steady decline. The 49% drop this week reflects business change from last week, which was 39% less than the previous week (when it was playing in hundreds of more theaters than any other film in the top ten).

As "Die Another Day" opened in North America with $47 million, and in its fourth week it took in $4 million, that's a decline of a bit more than 50%.

[thanasis]

Yup Star Trek had a major fall this weekend.... as for DAD, well i feel it could have held on a bit better but still is performing steadily.
Judging by how close the bottom five films in the top ten are, it is anybodys game next weekend. DAD's trajectory i think is heading towards 160-165 finish.
Worldwide, for the first time it is looking like we are going to see a 007 film cross the 250m$ barrier (internationally alone)

[DLibrasnow]

Originally posted by Xenobia
OK...as of right now, Bond is number 10 for the week, but it has surpassed TWINE.  

So, I would say this was a good weekend for Mr. Bond.

And btw...me thinks Bond will stay in the top ten next weekend.

-- Xenobia

I'll take you up on with that. You have to remember there are some big movies opening up before next weekend.

Two of those movies include "Catch Me If You Can" and "Confessions of a Dangerous Minds", I plan on seeing both of those movies but I am really psyched about the reteaming of Tom Hanks and Steven Spielberg for "Catch Me If You Can".

[zencat]

Also, DAD will start losing many of its screens pretty soon (it has already lost over 1000) to these big new movies. So DAD's decline might become very rapid now. I just want to see it top 150 mil domestically and I'll be very happy. If it makes it to 160, well, that would be sweet!, but I don't know if it can make it with diminishing screens.

[Mourning Becomes Electra]

OK I already went over this in the will DAD reach $150m post but here goes again. It should reach as thanasis said at least $160m. DAD already took the biggest screen hit it's likely to take for a couple of weeks. It lost a 1/3rd of it's theaters but it's per screen/theater average dropped only from about $2,300 to $1,900, or about 20%, a great decline for a non holiday weekend. And it's averages were better than Potter and Trek. (and close to new films like Wild Thornberries)

Trek will lose a ton of theaters next weekend, and there are other wide films doing far worse than DAD that will lose theaters first and only Catch Me If You Can and Pinnochio (ack!) opening wide soon that need theaters. Others like Confessions are opening initially in limited release.

DAD made an estimated $4m in it's 5th weekend, about what TWINE made in it's 5th but in 500 more theaters. At that point TWINE was at $105m and made $21m more, $12m more just in the two holiday weeks of X-mas and New Years (after losing more theaters). If DAD just does that, and it should do better (since it's already taken it's big theater hit)it will be at around $150m by the end of New Years week/weekend. It will then like TWINE run another couple of months in theaters and make at least another $10m on that.