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[ShakeNotStirred]

I have said this all along, but Rosamund Pike does a stunning job as Miranda Frost, and in my mind did a much much better job than Halle Berry did with her character Jinx. A couple of Jinx's one liners sucked but Frost, even though not portrayed enough, was awesome, with stunning lines and an amazing mind. She was playing Graves side but we assumed she was playing both sides. Her character seems to be much smarter than Jinx's and she just did a better job.

[rafterman]

I loved Frost

[Turn]

Frost was on screen just enough to make her memorable and not get into overkill. Give me her over Jinx anytime.

[License To Kill]

Frost, by a mother-********** landslide.

[Adam]

Definitely Frost by a ******* landslide

[PaulZ108]

I loved both, but definately Frost.

[rafterman]

time to start a Frost Fan club

[ShakeNotStirred]

Frost fan club it is. I am glad to see all these people agreeing with me on how much jinx was nowhere near Frost. Ur right, Frost by a mother ******* landslide.

[Loomis]

Originally posted by ShakeNotStirred
I have said this all along, but Rosamund Pike does a stunning job as Miranda Frost, and in my mind did a much much better job than Halle Berry did with her character Jinx. A couple of Jinx's one liners sucked but Frost, even though not portrayed enough, was awesome, with stunning lines and an amazing mind. She was playing Graves side but we assumed she was playing both sides. Her character seems to be much smarter than Jinx's and she just did a better job.

Absolutely. Frost is one of the sexiest Bond girls ever, and it's a tragedy that she has so little screentime. How I wish she'd been able to kill Jinx at the end and escape scot free (as a sort of 21st century Irma Bunt)....

[Sir James]

Well I would give it to Frost. She comes through despite her tough role and inexpierence. Jinx is the best "good girl" yet, but Rosamund Pike is sooo hot!

[ShakeNotStirred]

Exactly, i think the sword scene, when we see her looking over at Bond who is talking to Madonna brings Frost out being so incredibly hot. She does so much of a better job. Frost is just plain better.

[Dortmunder]

Either, but would prefer Miranda over Jinx. Miranda was a beautiful, young English girl, that knew how to use a foil. Though Jinx seemed a little more exciting, I still think that Miranda's character was better developed. It seemed as though Jinx relied on Bond a little too much. Both of them were great characters that were played perfectly by two great actresses.

[ShakeNotStirred]

I am totally against Jinx getting her own movie series. She did nothing near Frost and if they could have done anything good, Frost would have survived and came back in the next movie and they would have just dropped Jinx forever.

[White Tuxedo]

Are you kidding? Frost.

For starters, Rosamund Pike is just gorgeous, and she can act too. Halle Berry is a terrible actress. Her winning that oscar shows how corrupt that awards show is.

Frost by a landslide. I think she's the most attractive Bond girl in a while.

Jinx was just so stupid in that laser scene. "A little help her?" C'mon. Did anyone else find that scene to completely lame and moronic?

[BondChick4ever8]

I really didn't like Jinx at all...my friends did they laughed at the yo momma comments and other pointless lines. Just shows how immature they are. Pike did an excellent job as Frost and is a great actress, but I wish she was the good one! Grr...I hate Halle Berry! BUt....Pike did a very good job being the baddie.

[john007]

Well i hate to be the black sheep of this thread, but i loved Halle Berry. I have always thought that she was gorgeous, and this movie displayed it very well. Don't gt me wrong, i loved Rosamund also, but if i'd have to chose, Halle comes in ahead...narrowly.

john007

[Felix's lighter]

Frost melted my hard little heart. Interesting point: if Bond's P99 hadn't have been empty, this would have marked the second movie in a row in which the guy's fired a bullet point-blank at a woman he's just slept with.

[JimmyBond]

I loved Halle as well, and I laughed at all her lines, supposed that makes me imature though, according to BondChick4ever8. But hey, if being immature means having a sense of humor, than call me immature all you want!

[ShakeNotStirred]

Correct, some of halle's lines were terrible. The laser scene, for instance, was terrible with what she said. Bond is busy with mr kill and she asks him for a little help when he is almost gonna die. Thats terrible, he doesnt need to help her when he is almost gonna die.

[CMGN]

They both seemed OK to me, but I have to agree with the masses and say Frost. Jinx has her moments, but it's still not enough.

[boeserzwilling]

I'm just glad that Miranda had enough time to change her outfit before confronting Jinx!!!

[Kara Milovy]

Jinx.

First of all, Halle Berry is one of the most gorgeous women working in films today. She looks amazing in a bikini and her face is flawless. Secondly, she is a fine actress, and I'll wager that those who say she didn't deserve her Oscar didn't even see Monster's Ball. She acquitted herself brilliantly in a very challenging role.

I loved how Jinx was a tough spy, yet had a sweet personality. The two times she "ran into" James unexpectedly, first at the clinic and then at the Ice Palace, she said "James!" in a cheerful and disarming voice. She didn't have that hostile, defensive thing that other female spies have always shown. She had almost an openness about her that was entirely surprising and I found it very appealing. Clearly, she used that very quality, that apparent vulnerability, against the doctor in Cuba, yet it was also a sincere part of her.

Rosamund Pike seems an extremely able actress, and it is no mean trick holding your own in the company of such pros. But the part was too one-dimensional. As my son said, she was a bitch before she turned, then a bitch after she turned -- no arc, no interest.

Some people are excited by the "ice queen," by the unattainable woman, but she is an essentially shallow person.

What I loved was how Jinx and Frost played as opposites -- like a pair of opposing chess pieces.

[Adam]

Originally posted by Kara Milovy
Secondly, she is a fine actress, and I'll wager that those who say she didn't deserve her Oscar didn't even see Monster's Ball. She acquitted herself brilliantly in a very challenging role.

I saw Berry in Monster's Ball, Spacek in In the Bedroom, & Kidman in Moulin Rouge, and Berry definitely came in third...her acting was easily one of the most over-the-top performances ever. She only won for political reasons; critics noted that before & after the awards. When a celebrity almost murders someone and then triumphantly denies & gets away with it, they're destined to get rewarded...

[ShakeNotStirred]

Berry dint deserve the award. Many people desereved it over her. And i say again, Frost was so much better....

[Tanger]

Rosamund Pike all the way, she's just so gorgeous!!

[Kara Milovy]

Originally posted by Adam



I saw Berry in Monster's Ball, Spacek in In the Bedroom, & Kidman in Moulin Rouge, and Berry definitely came in third...her acting was easily one of the most over-the-top performances ever. She only won for political reasons; critics noted that before & after the awards. When a celebrity almost murders someone and then triumphantly denies & gets away with it, they're destined to get rewarded...

I beg to differ. I saw Berry, Spacek, Kidman, and Zellwegger in Bridget Jones's Diary as well, missing only Dench's performance in Iris.

Spacek gave a subtle and nuanced performance in a lifeless film. Kidman I cannot understand being nominated for this picture, her performance in The Others the same year was superior. Zellwegger's performance was a comic masterpiece, but comedic performances have rarely been awarded.

But Berry ripped her heart out. She was vulnerable, brave, stupid, lost, and found. She bared her soul before the camera and never for a moment hid behind the beauty queen persona.

"Critics" may have "noted" that Berry's award was "political," whatever that means. Critics don't give the Academy Award, members of the Academy do. Their vagaries are often mysterious and unpredictable. But there is no meeting of the Academy, no vast conspiracy. Each member votes individually, privately, and mails his or her ballot in. After it's all over, people who weren't a part of the voting may natter about why they think this or that person or film did or didn't win, but they don't know for a fact. For my money, they saw a brilliant performance and they voted from the gut.

[Carver]

Well, I find it hard to cal really. Jinx really is a sexy character, just look at her hips when she walks out of the sea....oh yeah:p. But then again, after I saw the film, I changed my mind about Miranda. She too is very sexy, but not in those sort of ways. She has a very elegant and beautiful face, perfectly formed and very suitable for a Bond film. Her body is pretty nice too;) Overal, I'd kinda say I like Jinx for pure sexiness. Miranda just came behind, but no way will she be forgotten in a while.

[Simon]

Grief, both girls didn't really get the possibilty to run with any character development - they were there for a short time only, looked superb, said their lines and there really wasn't enough screen time for them to do otherwise.

Regarding looks, I saw both girls at the London premiere - indeed I was 3 metres away from both and they both were equally stunning for entirely different reasons.

Halle actually looks better in the flesh than on screen - utterly stunning in ways that you thought were just not possible.

Pyke is a different entity entirely with her cool delivery.

They are both gorgeous, but just at opposite ends of the beauty spectrum, hot to cool.

[General Koskov]

I think that because of the laser scene and endless (and lame) 'innuendo', Jinx' character failed. It wouldn't have been more than Holy Goodhead (another American spy) with a new T-Bird anyway.

Miranda's character could have been more, but she didn't stoop to the level that Jinx did.

I envision an Icebreaker scenario for Bond, Jinx, and Frost: each girl would confide in Bond, but distrust each other, but in the end, Jinx is not the traitor. Or Miranda would work just as well...John Gardner was so good at fooling the reader.

[rafterman]

I get so tired of the endless worshipping of Berry as if she's the most beautiful woman ever and because of the Oscar the best actress ever.....I mean come on some of her delivery was just lame and just watch her in the helicopter at the end, her expressions and readings are entirely lame...