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Did the love scene with Bond and Jinx bother you?


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#1 Nap

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Posted 25 November 2002 - 08:42 PM

Trust me when I say I am not a prude. However, I believe that D.A.D. is the first Bond film to actually show James and a woman WHILE they are making love. In every other Bond film, these scenes are left to our imagination, either before or after the act. I think it's better that way, not only for moral purposes, but because it seemed to add to the sexual mystique of Bond.

We have always believed that James Bond was the quintessential womanizer, who probably sexually satisfied every woman he was with to the highest degree. By showing Pierce Brosnan and Halle Berry while they are actually in the midst of making love, it seems to demean his reputation and ability.

I, for one, love to see love scenes and nudity in movies (especially with Halle Berry!), but it just doesn't seem appropriate in a Bond movie. Am I the only one who was bothered by this scene?

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Posted 25 November 2002 - 08:47 PM

Yes and No. No because it was Bond and hey sex is cool LOL! :). But, by the end of it, it did get a little racy and i cant stand Halle Berry, but its tolerable. WHY COULDNT THE SEX SCENE WITH MIRANDA AND BOND BE LIKE THAT!


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#3 IrishCrown

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Posted 25 November 2002 - 08:49 PM

I thought it was about time we saw the man screwing someone. The fade outs were getting old.

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Posted 25 November 2002 - 08:50 PM

no :)

lol, seriously though, yeah, i thought it was OK, Bond should be shown doing his "thang" on screen, it what he's famed for yet we've never seen him do it. Although i do see where your coming from with this idea about the mystique of his sexual pro-ess. I suppose it comes down to opinion in the end.

Remember, this was mostly down to Tamahori, apparentley what they shot that was cut could have given the film an 18 rating in the UK. Some very raunchy stuff.

#5 Evil Doctor Cheese

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Posted 25 November 2002 - 08:51 PM

I thought it was fun. And the fact she got a knife out... is she going to kill him? No she's eating a fig! Made me laugh!

#6 igs007

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Posted 25 November 2002 - 09:01 PM

That wasn't bad at all- obviously one of Tamahori's hints of changing Bond to the 21st century.

It would have been great if they'd not cut out the part when Halle chokes and Pierce rescues her! I'll wait for the DVD then for that...

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Posted 25 November 2002 - 09:57 PM

I think it is a step in pushing the envelope like the classic films did for their time. Hats off to Tamahori for taking the risk.

#8 BondChick4ever8

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Posted 25 November 2002 - 10:04 PM

I really didn't think it was that bad. I mean what they talked about in interviews and such made it sound a lot raunchier. They made it sound like this "explosive" sex scene and I really didn't see much of a difference with all the rest. This was in the U.S. though, I don't know how much they took out or left in, in other countries.

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Posted 25 November 2002 - 10:49 PM

I liked it, I think Halle Berry is very beautiful, and it was new (at least for the Bond series).

#10 Mister Asterix

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Posted 25 November 2002 - 11:23 PM

Heck yeah, it bothered me!

(but in a good way) :)


#11 Mourning Becomes Electra

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Posted 26 November 2002 - 12:27 AM

Yeah it bothered me that they cut it, but not as much as they evidently cut the Bond/Frost scene... darn. :)

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Posted 26 November 2002 - 12:48 AM

I don't see why Halle Berry made such a huge deal out of being on top because a) it was done in AVTAK and :) well, frankly, being on top means the woman's doing all the work, which I don't find particularly emasculating.

So, no the scene doesn't bother me at all. I thought it was good.

#13 mi6spy005

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Posted 26 November 2002 - 12:48 AM

Pardon me, my finger slipped, and I clicked the mouse twice.

#14 Robinson

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Posted 26 November 2002 - 02:50 AM

Originally posted by mi6spy005
I don't see why Halle Berry made such a huge deal out of being on top because a) it was done in AVTAK and :) well, frankly, being on top means the woman's doing all the work, which I don't find particularly emasculating.


And it allows the woman to work at her own pace... And the view is tremendous!

#15 rafterman

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Posted 26 November 2002 - 02:54 AM

I thought the love scenes in DAD were pretty tame....short and not really that different...

#16 General Koskov

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Posted 26 November 2002 - 03:03 AM

Miss Onatopp's scene with Adm Farrel was a lot rougher than this (seeing as how he died); I also thought Bond's sex with Fiona Volpe was a lot racier than this.

But it wasn't bad...at least they didn't use CGI!

#17 Double-0 Six

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Posted 26 November 2002 - 01:20 PM

It didn't bother me, I just thought it was unnecessary.

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Posted 26 November 2002 - 08:26 PM

It didn't bother me at all considering the fact that he probably needed a woman's touch especially after an undiscloesed number of months imprisoned in Korea;) ... Besides, the rest of the audience was hootin' and hollerin'. So... I guess that they enjoyed it too:D ...

#19 RosaKlebb

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Posted 26 November 2002 - 11:46 PM

Maybe Halle misread the script for the bed scene near the end of the film, she took the onatop too literally and kept her vest on.

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Posted 27 November 2002 - 12:25 AM

Personally, I don't find much eroticism in watching other people have sex. I much preferred the more classic, conservative love scenes. As long as they're not Bond and some girl rolling around having a snog to soft jazz music for endless moments that do not advance the plot, such as in Never Say Never Again (not that it counts anyway).

#21 deth

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Posted 27 November 2002 - 01:22 AM

well, the scene didn't bother me. The only thing that was weird was that Bond had almost no contact with Jinx before they had sex. In all previous Bond films, the strong independent woman (like agent xxx in TSWLM) would not fall for Bond in the second scene that they are together. It just seemed stupid. They should have held it off for a bit. Build towards it so to speak.

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Posted 27 November 2002 - 02:59 AM

Originally posted by deth
well, the scene didn't bother me. The only thing that was weird was that Bond had almost no contact with Jinx before they had sex. In all previous Bond films, the strong independent woman (like agent xxx in TSWLM) would not fall for Bond in the second scene that they are together. It just seemed stupid. They should have held it off for a bit. Build towards it so to speak.


Yeah, but this a new Bond for a new "generation." This is another reason why the Jinx character won't resonate for years to come. Bond & Jinx's "interraction" is totally by the numbers. There's no heat generated whatsoever and it looks more like Bond's robbing the cradle once more.

Someone get James Bond a bonafide woman.

#23 Jimbo007

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Posted 27 November 2002 - 03:47 AM

I was getting nervous when I first heard about this scene months back. As I watched the begining of the scene, I was disturbed because we haven't seen anything like it in another Bond film. After a few seconds, I thought is was great and I liked it. It didn't bother me.

#24 Felix's lighter

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Posted 27 November 2002 - 03:47 AM

Well, hasn't Bond fell into bed pretty quickly with women in the past? I can think of several instances in which he and some girl are at it in their first scene together. Some of the '70s instances are pretty funny - Bond simply ASSUMES that just because there happens to be a woman in his hotel suite (even if she's a fellow agent) that they're going to have sex.

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Posted 27 November 2002 - 11:51 AM

My own little theory about the concept of Jinx and the sex scene is that the producers have taken some pains to differentiate her from a similar Bond female agent from a recent pic -- Wai Lin in TND.

I have to say I was beginning to get a little weary of all the adverts and articles and sound bites claiming that "Jinx Jordan is Bond's equal in every way." Um, excuse me, but didn't they say that about Wai Lin in the spin cycle for TND? And (I'm far too young to remember this one, but I'm sure comparisons were made) Anya Amasova in TSWLM? A female opponent/agent/sidekick who matches wits with Bond is nothing new, folks.

I believe the producers wanted to "sexualize" and "energize" Jinx as much as possible, so as to make her stand apart from her predecessors. She's basically Wai Lin with a libido. And Anya Amasova with street cred, an American accent, and an orange bikini. No disrespect to Halle Berry (whom I adore) or the character (I hope to see Jinx in her own franchise) but Jinx is just the latest in a Bond girl archetype -- the female Bond.

So, in a way, that sex scene was necessary in order for Jinx not to seem "familiar." She's basically a hornier Wai Lin. :)

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Posted 27 November 2002 - 12:57 PM

yes, but the thing is, is that the "Bond sleeps with girl in the first encounter" was NOT with the main girl.

#27 Blue Eyes

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Posted 28 November 2002 - 09:33 AM

I really can't understand why it would bother anyone. There was nothing graphic about it and it still remained suggested, this time it was a visual suggestion. Frankly they could still be in the midst of foreplay and you wouldn't know it. It just depends if you want them to be having sex, performing the act of foreplay or doing something else, like playing twister.

#28 RITZ

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Posted 28 November 2002 - 09:44 AM

I saw DAD again yesterday and I thought that scene was great. Didn't bother me really - but I heard rumours that it was going to be cut:confused:

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Posted 29 November 2002 - 03:39 AM

The only that bothered me about this scene is that the PR for it promised Bond going somewhere where he had never gone before.

Guess what...the scenes with Elektra in TWINE were twice as erotic and romantic as the ones in DAD.

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Posted 29 November 2002 - 03:48 AM

I thought the sex scene was okay,but kind of dull actually. I also never bought that someone like Jinx,would even be attracted to Bond. His scene with Miranda was just disturbing. Seeing her slip off her dress in front of a man old enough to have fathered her was too much for me. Bond should have ****ed Verity,even though she looked like she would have taken charge.:)