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[Loomis]

....must surely be when the Antonov passes through the Icarus beam without being instantly obliterated. It makes the glacier surfing scene look perfectly plausible by comparison.

In fact, the Antonov/Icarus interface may well be the single stupidest thing ever in a Bond film, particularly as the same scene shows us the awesome power of the Icarus beam against anything it's pointed at.

[Sigma]

I heard this before i went to the film, and so was watching for it. However, the plane only passes quickly through the edge of the beam, wheras everything that was completely destroyed travelled or was hit by the beam center. It's resonable to assume that the beam's more powerful at the centre. Also, the missile seemed to break up before exploding, and the antanov started to break up while it was affected by the beam. Plus, we don't know that Icarus channels the full force of the sun at that point.

[Loomis]

Ah, okay. Fair enough.

[General Koskov]

I didn't even know the 'plane went through Icharus. Did Jinx do that?

[Sigma]

Yeah, as Miranda tells her to set the autopilot, Jinx turns the heading indicator.

[DLibrasnow]

Yes. When Frost makes her put the plane on autopilot, she adjusts the lever to take it through the edge of the Icarus beam.

[DLibrasnow]

Okay, just as Sigma said ;-)

[mrmoon]

It's called 'Artistic Licence', if everything was done considering reality you'd have one boring movie.

[Nap]

For me, seeing Halle Berry run up those stairs firing her pistol at the chopper was the silliest scene. She is clearly not an athletic person, and looked just like a supermodel running with a toy gun that she had never learned how to fire.... Oh wait, that IS what I saw!

[Tedley King]

"Saved by the bell" - nuff sed!

[JimmyBond]

None, at least not in my eyes. Best Bond ever

[Mi6 AgntBond007]

Originally posted by Nap
For me, seeing Halle Berry run up those stairs firing her pistol at the chopper was the silliest scene.  She is clearly not an athletic person, and looked just like a supermodel running with a toy gun that she had never learned how to fire....   Oh wait, that IS what I saw!

I agree! That scene made me cringe both times I saw DAD. Another silly moment was the scene that Loomis brought up in a previous post where Bond gets electricuted on the plane for what seemed like a good couple of minutes.

[ray t]

too much unjustified nit-picking:(

[DLibrasnow]

Originally posted by ray t
too much unjustified nit-picking:(

Yeah, one wonders if some of the people in these forums could be pleased with anything....maybe they had problems in their childhood (just kidding)

[deth]

Originally posted by JimmyBond
None, at least not in my eyes. Best Bond ever

ever?

[JimmyBond]

Yes, in my opinion. You have your opinions, I have mine. Live with it.

[Loomis]

Apologies to ray t, DLibrasnow and JimmyBond. Obviously, DIE ANOTHER DAY is 100% perfect, and to say it has any faults of any kind whatsoever is obviously sacrilege to the Church of Bond (or something).

There are fans, and then there are fanatics.

Then again, I do of course hate the idea of other people enjoying anything.

And mrmoon, I know all about "artistic licence", suspension of disbelief and all that, but even "artistic licence" can sometimes go too far into the realm of the absolutely bloody ridiculous.

[Double-0 Six]

The silly moments I can remember :

- Bond parks his "invisible" car in the middle of an area we've seen several people and vehicles move through and over the course of a night and much of a day nobody bumps into it or notices the predator effect (unless that was just for the audiences benefit).

- The adaptive camoflage suddenly fixes itself just as Bond needs it.

- The surfing the tidal wave wasn't as fake looking as I thought it would be (bad blue screen work, though), but it was still silly by Bond standards - an equal to the sky-dive in GoldenEye.

- The purple electric shocks, especially the expression on Brosnans face as he is being shocked.

- The slow-down matrix effect used at the exciting moment when ... Zao walks from one side of Jinx to the other - very dramatic!


I did like the film, despite how the above criticism reads, but I definitely don't think its Brosnan's (or Bond's) best.

[Loomis]

Originally posted by Double-0 Six

I did like the film, despite how the above criticism reads, but I definitely don't think its Brosnan's (or Bond's) best.

I totally agree with that statement, Double-0 Six, but unfortunately that's not enough for some people around here, who won't tolerate any opinions apart from "It's 100% perfect".

[Loomis]

Originally posted by ray t
too much unjustified nit-picking:(

Virtually all films, even the greatest masterpieces of cinema, include goofs of some kind or another (check out the Internet Movie Database).

For example, the entire premise of CITIZEN KANE rests on "Rosebud" being the last word Kane ever spoke and a mission to find out the significance of the word.... despite the fact that no one is around when he dies to hear him say it!

So a film having goofs and unanswered questions obviously doesn't automatically make it bad or unenjoyable. And it doesn't mean that anyone who points out these goofs and unanswered questions is automatically lashing out at the film.

[Tedley King]

Every film has it's faults! DAD does!

[Surrender]

Hey did anyone else notice after the bad cgi fall into the sea when Jinx pulls herself onto the boat it's blatantly a guy stuntman in a bikini!!! I'm not to sure about this or if i imagined it.

[RITZ]

You may have imagined it mate:p

I didn't notice it though

[homerjbond]

006

I thought the pre-title skydive in GE was cool. If I remember correctly, the audience in the theater was laughing and cheering at the same time.

You're right about the purple electric shocks...reminded me of Return of the Jedi, with the emperor shocking Luke near the end

I had a problem with the consistent music video-style of editing (fast-forward and slow motion, etc.), but after a second viewing, it's tolerable and sometimes cool

[B5Erik2]

Originally posted by ray t
too much unjustified nit-picking:(

No, the nit picking is COMPLETELY justified. I've been a Bond fan for 25 years, and I know what elements work in a Bond film, and what elements don't - and I know BAD CGI when I see it.

DAD is a good Bond film, but it could have been a great Bond film if they had just not gone so far over the top with it, and if they hadn't lost the character development that was so brilliant in the first hour of the film.

You can't justify that CAR VS CAR sequence - it was stupid. It was so far over the top, even for a BOND car sequence, that it actually belongs in an updated Derek Flint movie more than a Bond movie. Flint took all things Bond and made it bigger and sillier. DAD did the same thing.

That's the thing that bugs me most about DAD - it went from one of the best first hours of all the Bond films, and turned into self parody. I don't like Bond spoofing himself. For Bond spoofs we've got Austin Powers, the old Flint movies, etc - the last thing this series needs is to become a spoof of itself, but that's just what happened in the last 45 minutes or so of DAD.

That's not even nitpicking, thats a critical review and analysis of the film. I didn't watch this one through Bond blinders, I watched it, and gave an honest, thorough critique.

DAD is good, but it should have been Great (and almost was - a little tweaking with the script, not much, just a little, and less reliance on CGI would have put this one solidly in the top 5).

[Loomis]

Originally posted by B5Erik2

DAD is a good Bond film, but it could have been a great Bond film if they had just not gone so far over the top with it, and if they hadn't lost the character development that was so brilliant in the first hour of the film.

I agree entirely. If only the action scenes had been stunningly staged, shot and edited in the good old-fashioned manner, instead of reliant on (often lousy) CGI and flashy and confusing cutting (am I the only one who found the action during the car chase in the ice palace extremely hard to follow?).

DAD came so near to being a truly great Bond film. With a little tweaking of the script, and a great score (David Arnold's work was, well, workmanlike, nothing special), we could really have been treated to one of the best Bonds ever, since so many of the right elements were in place.

[JimmyBond]

Originally posted by Loomis
Apologies to ray t, DLibrasnow and JimmyBond. Obviously, DIE ANOTHER DAY is 100% perfect, and to say it has any faults of any kind whatsoever is obviously sacrilege to the Church of Bond (or something).

There are fans, and then there are fanatics.

Then again, I do of course hate the idea of other people enjoying anything.

And mrmoon, I know all about "artistic licence", suspension of disbelief and all that, but even "artistic licence" can sometimes go too far into the realm of the absolutely bloody ridiculous.

I want to know why I am lumped together with those people, I never once said you couldnt complain about the film, The question of this thread asked me what the silliest moment in DAD was. I thought there wasnt any, so am I not to answer the question then? For that matter, DLibrasnow was just clarifying someones nitpick, so I'm not sure why he's targeted either.

So before you start lumping people into categories read what they said.

[Adam]

Actually the most silly thing about DAD was that huge Jiffy Pop satellite thing (Icarus). 2 separate people I saw that movie w/ at different times referred to it as a giant Jiffy Pop tin.

Aww I wish Graves was real so he could cover the world in delicious popcorn...

[mrmoon]

Originally posted by Loomis
I If only the action scenes had been stunningly staged, shot and edited in the good old-fashioned manner, instead of reliant on (often lousy) CGI and flashy and confusing cutting (am I the only one who found the action during the car chase in the ice palace extremely hard to follow?).

As far as I can see having seen Die Another Day 5 times at present all of the action scenes had been stunningly staged and shot you may argue against Wagner's so called 'matrix' style editing (which incidently bears no particular resemblance to the matrix - not sure who christened it that) but the fact is it only occured on around half a dozen - 10 occasions. To anyone who had not seen it some people make out his editing is like something from a jet lee film and it blatently is not.

[Monique]

Surprisingly, I agree with Loomis about the whole Icarus part. It was way too over the top and superfluous.

Someone else mentioned the "saved by the bell line". I loved that. Groan worthy maybe, but he gets away with it...as he always does.