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Homages in Die Another Day


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#1 b0o0n7d

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Posted 24 November 2002 - 06:07 AM

I think it would be a great idea to start a

#2 00Kevin

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Posted 24 November 2002 - 01:30 PM

okay, I have one or two:

-during the CGI wave scene was an homage to music in thunderball

in thunderball the partwhere bond is fighting colonel jaques buvawl (I have no Idea how to spell it and I don't wanna go to IMDB right now) there is fast action music, this is what I'm talking about

Mr. Kil kind of reminded me of Gabor (TWINE)

Vlad slightly reminded me of boris (Goldeneye)

on the plane in the finale, there is a part where bond stands against the wall and slams his elbow into the face of a man coming out a door, ike he did to board the stealthship in TND

then jinx throws a knife into a man's neck, as wai lin did with the ninja star in TND on the stelth ship

I think one of the most obvious:

when Gustav Graves Parachutes from the plane when we first see him, he uses a british flag for the chute, ike bond did in TSWLM

also, perhaps an homage to LALD as Graves and Moon are the same perspn as Kananga and Mr. Big were the same

an Homage to Moonraker: World domination wanted (but was it world domination? they only mention reuniting Korea, but Graves say "Japan is a bug, waiting to be squashed, and the west will cower with fear" of something)

car homages, in the teaser I saw the DB5, also jinx's T-bird may have been an homage to Jill's T-Bird in DIamonds are Forever

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Posted 24 November 2002 - 01:32 PM

also, in cuba:

-my friends call me jinx
-my friends call me james bond

homage to FRWL:

-my friends call me tania
-my friends call me james bond

#4 00Kevin

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Posted 24 November 2002 - 01:35 PM

in cuba after making love, bond awakens to see his bed empty and people swimming and shouting can be heard in the background

this happens at the hotel on OHMSS as well

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Posted 24 November 2002 - 01:40 PM

so we have named homages to:

Dr. No
FRWL
Goldfinger
Thunderball
OHMSS
DAF
TSWLM
Goldeneye
Tomorrow never dies
TWINE

we have found/discovered something, but perhaps not intended to be homages:

LALD
MoonRaker
AVTAK

We have not found:
YOLT
TMWTGG
FYEO
Octo
TLD
LTK

#6 1q2w3e4r

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Posted 24 November 2002 - 01:41 PM

Fleming's home was in Jamacia, not Cuba.

I also think that Mr Kil. is a modern Oddjob. But the sunglasses are a bit much, he also wears them in TWINE, and I think from memory the pre-titles of OHMSS

I don't think the T-Bird is a homage, unless to Fleming's own one.

Tilly Masterson drove a Ford Mustang as did Fiona from TB and Tiffany Case in Diamonds are Forever.

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Posted 24 November 2002 - 03:54 PM

ah, okay, I thought jill drove a T-bird, thanx for pointing it out

a few things from Q-labs:

-the shoe with the tip from FRWL

-the machine alligator from Octo

-the small jet from the teaser of Octo

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Posted 24 November 2002 - 03:58 PM

also in Q-branch: Q says something like "as my predisecor (SP?)told me I never joke about my work" in homage to Desmond's Q line in Goldfinger

#9 Alexborn007

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Posted 24 November 2002 - 04:03 PM

Going out the back of the cargo bay with the helicopter is an homage to TLD when Bond and Kara use a jeep to escape a crashing plane.

Arnold seems to pay homage to himself with using a few cues from TWINE and TND.

Thats all I've picked up.

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Posted 24 November 2002 - 04:08 PM

When bond is swimming under the ice using the breathing device, same thing he used when swimming between the shark tanks in Thunderball.

I also think the whole genetic manipulation of peoples looks has hints back to Diamonds Are Forever.

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Posted 24 November 2002 - 04:19 PM

My favorite reference in Q's lab has to be the jet pack from the pretitles sequence of Thunderball.

#12 JackChase007

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Posted 24 November 2002 - 04:21 PM

Here's what I got that you don't have:

#13 Max Zorin

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Posted 24 November 2002 - 05:28 PM

- At the end, when Bond and Jinx were in (I presume) South Korea, did anyone else notice the music cues from YOLT? (Aki's Theme)

- Also, when Bond sneaks into the restricted area of the Cuban Clinic through a patient's room, he grabs a grape from a fruit bowl and pops it into his mouth on the way out, a la Connery in Thunderball, after exiting Count Lippe's room.

- also, Zao's death was reminiscent of Trevelyan's with the chandelier taking the place of the satellite antenna.

- and on the atonov at the end, Graves shoots a hole in the plane depressurising the cabin, like Goldfinger did in, well, Goldfinger.

#14 Max Zorin

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Posted 24 November 2002 - 05:31 PM

Oh, and my personal favorite...when Q hands Bond his new watch, he says something along the lines of "This will be your 20th, I belive."

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Posted 24 November 2002 - 05:51 PM

Originally posted by Max Zorin
Oh, and my personal favorite...when Q hands Bond his new watch, he says something along the lines of "This will be your 20th, I belive."


I loved that line!

Okay, some of these are really good, but this IS a Bond film, after all. They're are going to be a LOT of similarities, I'm afraid. :)

I think it would be cool to see the official site release a list of all the intentional homages.

#16 00Kevin

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Posted 25 November 2002 - 12:20 AM

Originally posted by Max Zorin
- Also, when Bond sneaks into the restricted area of the Cuban Clinic through a patient's room, he grabs a grape from a fruit bowl and pops it into his mouth on the way out, a la Connery in Thunderball, after exiting Count Lippe's room.


he did? I didn't notice that one in 4 viewings, sheesh!

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Posted 25 November 2002 - 01:01 AM

At the bottom of the article with a picture of Gustav in the magazine it reads 'Diamonds are Forever, Life is Not' (DAF) also, Gustav later says 'Diamonds are (aren't?) for everyone' Take off the 'yone' and it would be 'Diamonds are For Ever'.

Wasn't the jetpack in the lab the one from the Thunderball opening?

The fact that Col. Moon seemed to die twice, reminded me off 'You Only Live Twice'. This is also odd because Gustav could not sleep, ('once for yourself and once for your dreams') almost as if he was getting a second life becuase he could not dream.

#18 Alexborn007

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Posted 25 November 2002 - 01:06 AM

[quote]Originally posted by JackChase007


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Posted 25 November 2002 - 01:15 AM

Originally posted by TheNewBlofeld
The fact that Col. Moon seemed to die twice, reminded me off 'You Only Live Twice'. This is also odd because Gustav could not sleep, ('once for yourself and once for your dreams') almost as if he was getting a second life becuase he could not dream.


wow, that's heavy, didn't think of that, It may not be intended to be an homage, but It's a pretty good notion

#20 Number Six

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Posted 25 November 2002 - 01:27 AM

Don't forget the magazine headline below Gustav Graves' picture in the magazine that Bond reads on the airliner: "Diamonds Are Forever."

--Eric, first-time poster

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Posted 25 November 2002 - 02:32 AM

[quote]Originally posted by b0o0n7d (edited)
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Posted 25 November 2002 - 07:13 AM

The whole, "Bond goes rogue," and takes on a personal mission is straight out of LTK - he even has to escape from MI6 both times to go on his "mission!"

That was mentioned on another thread, but it was something I noticed while watching the movie - I really enjoyed it. Bond is a lot more focused when his mission is personal. In LTK it's to get the guy who had his friend (Leiter) maimed, and Leiter's wife raped and murdered. In DAD it's to clear his name and find out who sold him out.

LTK is my second favorite Bond film, so the first third of DAD was VERY enjoyable for me. By the end I wasn't quite as happy, though....

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Posted 25 November 2002 - 07:58 AM

Hello. This is my first post. I was eagerly looking for this thread so I could share my findings but found most of you already posted them. But here's a few more I found:

Dr. No - the radar noises from the very beginning of the movie heard when Bond escapes the health ship. Also Gustav's robotic hand like Dr. No's metal hand.

Goldfinger - wager made on duel with diamond, like the wager on the gold game made with gold bar.

You Only Live Twice - Bond faking his death in Hong Kong harbour. Also the incredible tiny letters found inside something else.

On Her Majesty's Secret Service - the DNA clinic in a secuded place.

Diamonds Are Forever - scorpions used. Also car driving in awkward position.

The Man With The Golden Gun - the diamond in Jinx's navel like that dancer who loses hers when Bond swallows it.

Moonraker - swordfight destroying valuable property, and glass.

For Your Eyes Only - singer of title song appearing in movie. Also, the guy on the skidoo flipping over the invisible car was similar to the scene in FYEO where the guy flips off motorbike into window.

A View To A Kill - parachuting into a major European city. Also the surfing on the ice and water scene.

The Living Daylights - the statue of a head of a General featured prominently throughout climax.

Licence to Kill - Jinx using the control of the laser to cut off Mr. Kil's arm similar to Sanchez using a very similar control to feed Leiter's legs to the sharks.

GoldenEye - bullet in gunbarrel flying at viewer. Also Jinx's dive from the top of the wall similar to Bond's bungee jump. Plus the plot point of having an MI6 agent being a traitor. Also, Bond's watch with detonator and laser.

Tomorrow Never Dies - the entire "Gun under the pillow" scene.

The World Is Not Enough - explosion goes off right in front of Bond followed by alarms and sprinklers going off.

I'll post more if I can think of them.

--Roger "Time?" Clemente.

#24 Neil S. Bulk

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Posted 25 November 2002 - 01:21 PM

The remote controlled "Rover" from A View to a Kill is visible in Q's lab as they first walk in to the scene.

Neil

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Posted 25 November 2002 - 01:38 PM

Alexborn007:

Thanks for that tidbit. Hmmm...Belgian hedgehogs...I'll hafta try to remember that one...

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Posted 25 November 2002 - 06:08 PM

Did this go unnoticed?
The whole scene with M briefing Miranda Frost has printed FRWL all over it. It's just like the scene with Klebb and Tania Romanova. M walking around Frost just like Klebb and talking something that Frost started as a cipher clerk (like Tania). This is all too obvious for being incidentially (and Tamahori likes FRWL a lot).

I think that there are lots more small and not so obvious references to spot, but it needs a DVD to check it all out. But we shouldn't overdo it. Not everything that has certain similarities to the older movies can be taken as a reference. If we would count that, then every Bond movie would be full of references... "Look, Bond sleeping with a blonde woman, just like in... " no, folks:p

And here's one that just had to be in DAD, but hasn't been: I missed a good friend from the old days, Victor Tourjansky, the drinking guy with the bottle from TSWLM, MR and FYEO. I was hoping something like this would be there. Or did I blink and miss him?

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Posted 25 November 2002 - 07:13 PM

I think the whole two champagne glasses at the end of the Bond and Jinx Love scene is from the closing shot of TLD. When it says "James Bond Will Return", there are two chilled glasses of champagne in the shot.

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Posted 25 November 2002 - 10:20 PM

What about right at the end, where bond and jinx are in the plane, he opens up the back door to the plane, lets the conveyor belt go and jumps into the helicopter. Thats liek in Living daylights with the jeep landing perfectly on the ground. and when he is coming into the clinic, you hear that deep voices saying words to the patients, like in OHMSS with the controlling voice blofeld does

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Posted 26 November 2002 - 03:09 AM

Originally posted by 00Kevin
so we have named homages to:

Dr. No
FRWL
Goldfinger
Thunderball
OHMSS
DAF
TSWLM
Goldeneye
Tomorrow never dies
TWINE

we have found/discovered something, but perhaps not intended to be homages:

LALD
MoonRaker
AVTAK

We have not found:
YOLT
TMWTGG
FYEO
Octo
TLD
LTK


TLD- Bond using the "traction" feature on the Aston Martin in DAD, it's used to a somewhat similar effect in TLD.
TND- Paris' question "Tell me James, do you still sleep with a gun underneath your pillow." He does just that in DAD.
AVTAK- Bond snowboards in Siberia. In DAD, Bond parasurfs.
LTK- the main villian talks too much before killing Bond. DAD, Graves/Moon talks too much before dispatching Bond.

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Posted 26 November 2002 - 03:27 AM

Here is a big one I don't see how you guys missed:

You Only Live Twice:

Bond (a white westerner) "becomes" Asian (Japaneese) to hide from the enemy (Blofeld/SPECTRE)

Die Another Day:

Moon, an Asian (Korean), "becomes" a white westerner to hide from his enemy (Bond)