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[00Jonathan]

Hi,

I am new here, and maybe someone else has already brought this up, but I noticed that in the scene in the trailer where M is standing before the flag draped coffins that there are 8 coffins. I think those contain the bodies of 001, 002, 003, 004, 005, 006, 008, and 009. Of couse, 007 is alive and well!

[Miles Miservy]

Hmm....... pretty deep.

That's a GREAT assumption. I mean, yes, the caskets were draped w/Union Jacks but to assume that the bulk of the OO section had been taken out is a TREMENDOUS leap. Why not British citizens and/or soldiers - victims of a terrorist attack? I doubt the writers would seriously jeapordize the franchize by purporting such a bleak anthem on yet another installment of the series. From a plot point of view, it would be as unthinkable as having M be the villain.

I'm afraid I just don't see it.

[thecasinoroyale]

I don't think it would matter if we did have a 006 in the Daniel Craig Bond world, as these films are 're-booted', so all the characters long since dead from Connery to Brosnan could, in effect, come back for Craig's era - but I don't think they will as it may be a re-boot but it still is the James Bond franchise and they wouldn't repeat themselves like a cheap recycle.

I think they must be pretty important people in those coffins is M is standing by them in what looks like a quiet moment to say goodbye, or sorry, and the Union Jack draped over them. Not normally seen for any casual citizen caught up in an attack but maybe either an MI6 00-Agent or member of the British Government.

[Mr_Wint]

I didn't know it was that easy to kill 00-agents. 8 killed at the same time sounds more like Johnny English (which was also written by Purvis & Wade...).

[00Jonathan]

True, it should not be easy to kill 00-agents. However, seems from the trailer that MI6 is under attack. Is it just a coincidence that there are 8 caskets? Who else would M pay respect to in private, as the shot suggests? It seems personal.

[S K Y F A L L]

It has been discussed in many threads and it seems like a logical guess that the 8 coffins would be rest of the double o agents.

If everyone thinks Bond is dead then perhaps the rest of the agents have been called in to be re-assigned to his death, just before the MI6 explosion.

Would be interesting if it was some what Bond's fault that they all have been murdered.

But any case I think it is the best guess now, I'm not from the U.K. and can't think of any other reason for the number 8 unless EON is just toying with the Bond Fans.

[Vauxhall]

I believe it's a coincidence. The attack doesn't appear to target specific agents; I think it's intended more as a message/distraction. It also seems pretty unlikely that all the other 00 agents would be sitting together at headquarters conveniently to be picked off.

(Can a mod move this thread to the spoiler section maybe?)

[Mrs Rabbithole]

I didn't know it was that easy to kill 00-agents. 8 killed at the same time sounds more like Johnny English (which was also written by Purvis & Wade...).

Why shouldn't it be that easy? If a 00-agent is exposed, and doesn't know it, the enemy has the upper hand. Look how easily 007 got nabbed in North Korea in DAD after his cover was busted...

[AMC Hornet]

They were the eight agents, guards and others killed in the attack on MI6 HQ.

That's the only guess I'm willing to offer. It may even be a deliberate attempt to misdirect myself, so that i won't be influenced by possible spoilers.

In other words, I don't want to know until opening night.

I may have to avoid this thread from now til then...

[nickjb007]

I would guess British soldiers instead of 00 agents.

[JimmyBond]

(Can a mod move this thread to the spoiler section maybe?)

Done

[Trevelyan 006]

Concerning the 00 agents theory, I know "I" haven't seen the inside of a casket lately. Been dead for quite some time as a matter of fact!

But in all seriousness, I'd suspect some ranked MI6 members, nothing more. Unless of course the entire 00 section was pulled in for something big, (the case in Thunderball), I'd say it's highly unlikely simply because I'd expect the bulk of the 00 agents to be out on assignment abroad (not conveniently idle within MI6, only to be consequentially blown away).

Edited by Trevelyan 006, 17 July 2012 - 06:47 AM.

[Shrublands]

The attack doesn't appear to target specific agents; I think it's intended more as a message/distraction.

I think the explosions main purpose (but this will only be revealed later) is to drive MI6 into the bunker.
(I could be wrong, I’m sticking my neck out with this theory)

[S K Y F A L L]

I guess it would be to McGruber to have it be all the 00 agents but perhaps they aren't all in one place until M sees their coffins.

Silva has the flash drive right? Perhaps they have all been called in because their covers have been blown.

[Miles Miservy]

Concerning the 00 agents theory, I know "I" haven't seen the inside of a casket lately. Been dead for quite some time as a matter of fact!

But in all seriousness, I'd suspect some ranked MI6 members, nothing more. Unless of course the entire 00 section was pulled in for something big, (the case in Thunderball), I'd say it's highly unlikely simply because I'd expect the bulk of the 00 agents to be out on assignment abroad (not conveniently idle within MI6, only to be consequentially blown away).

Before initial photography commenced, it was leaked that certain files that M was responsible for might've been comprimised. That right there is a possible link to your 8 coffins. Keep in mind that you all are basing this assumption of a fragment of a 2 min. clip (a couple of frames at best) All that is certain is that the decedants are British. Also remember that, according to Ian Fleming (Moonraker/Thunderball), there were at least 12 agents issued OO numbers.

Looking back on the history of OO agents:
OO1 - Status Unknown
OO2 - Deceased - TMWTGG
OO3 - Deceased - AVTAK
OO4 - Deceased - TLD
OO5 - Status Unknown
OO6 - Deceased - GE
OO7 - Active
OO8 - Active
OO9 - Deceased - OP/TWINE
OO10 - Status Unknown
OO11 - Status Unknown
OO12 - Status Unknown

[Shrublands]

Before initial photography commenced, it was leaked that certain files that M was responsible for might've been comprimised.

Have you got a link or anything to show this? Because I can’t remember this one.

[hoagy]

Miles Meservy,
Superb work tracking the status of each double-O. I would like to remind you of the references to a double-O or two during the bathroom faux-fight staged by Derek Flint and JB in "Our Man Flint." Crazy scene...Personally, I'd not have touched that drying towel -- ugh.....but I'm not the man Derek Flint was...

[AMC Hornet]

Oy, Miles, who sez 009 MKII was killed in TWINE?

I heard that he put a bullet in Renard's head - I didn't hear that Renard had offed him in return - not even in Benson's novelization, where Raymond says it was 0012 who was killed for the Russian AEC report.

Accurate list otherwise.

As I said before, I want to be surprised (I also said I'd avoid this thread, but I can't resist mixing in for the sake of veracity - and no, veracity wasn't Madonna's role in DAD...).

[Major Tallon]

Also remember that, according to Ian Fleming (Moonraker/Thunderball), there were at least 12 agents issued OO numbers.

Fleming tells us that there were only three. In Moonraker, the Double-0 Section, apart from Bond, had agents designated 008 and 0011, but Fleming specifically tells us that Bond "and the two other members of the 00 Section had at various times made determined assaults on [their secretary's] virtue" (chapter 1). The fact that an agent bore the number 0011 thus does not mean that there were ten other Double-0 agents.

[bill007]

Nein, nein, nein ,nein, nein, nein, nein, nein, nein!

My appologies, 00Jonathan, but eliminating 99% of a double-o section is just to wild to grasp.

I'm of the opinion that the coffin scene is M regretting the loss of an SAS team sent on a mission that resulted in their deaths, based upon intelligence she provided, which proved to be faulty. She then unleashes the baddest 00 of them all, to open a can of wuppaz on the baddies.

(Patiently waiting for November.)

[Vauxhall]

A slight tangent to the discussion about the other 00 agents, but at the Designing Bond exhibition at the Barbican today, I had a look at some of the incredibly detailed documents created as set dressing for the films. 

According to one 'official' file from QUANTUM OF SOLACE, the "special branch" officer who is killed in Bregenz is described as "Darryl Patterson (003)". It would have been interesting if Bond had been held responsible for the death of another 00 agent, but perhaps a complication too far. 

[Major Tallon]

And presumably, Bond would have known who the man was and wouldn't have dropped him off the roof.

[Vauxhall]

And presumably, Bond would have known who the man was and wouldn't have dropped him off the roof.

Yes, indeed, unless the conceit was intended to be that Bond didn't actually know the other 00s.

[CasinoKiller]

Why would a Special Branch agent by a Double O?

Personally, I always though Craig Mitchell was a 00. I remember reading on Wikipedia a while before QOS released that 009 was M's bodyguard in the film. And Mitchell ended up being her bodyguard. Since the 00's are MI6's finest and report directly to M, it makes sense that one of them is her bodyguard.

Anyone, regarding the coffins...

SPOILERS (from the new trailer)

I think they are likely the undercover British agents who were murdered after their identities were exposed when the flash drive went missing. Perhaps M feels responsible for their deaths because she 'lost' the flash drive containing their identities, and failed to retrieve it.

[Vauxhall]

It appears the coffins contain the bodies of those killed in the attack on MI6. The attack will be linked to the loss of the flash drive though, so M is still responsible in that way.

[Clements]

Based on the latest trailers, I thought CasinoKiller's interpretation made sense. Eight coffins, eight parts to the YouTube video exposing the agents.

Coincidence?

[Vauxhall]

Based on the latest trailers, I thought CasinoKiller's interpretation made sense. Eight coffins, eight parts to the YouTube video exposing the agents.

Coincidence?

I think it's a coincidence, as I believe the YouTube video revelation comes a bit later in the movie. Could be wrong though.

[DamnCoffee]

I'm expecting the Youtube video to come into play when M and Tanner are in the car.

Youtube agents - "Think on your sins."

[Vauxhall]

I'm expecting the Youtube video to come into play when M and Tanner are in the car.

Youtube agents - "Think on your sins."

I believe it's later. It's just edited weirdly in the trailer. I think the YouTube video appears when M accesses her laptop at home later in the film; there's a brief shot of it in one of the trailers.