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[Vesper And Tracy]

From memory, BrosnanBond 'had' at least two 'Girls' per movie (I think it was three in Tomorrow Never Dies).

There were, of course, some real free-for-alls in the old days with ConneryBond (implied as having four in Thunderball and actually having four in You Only Live Twice) and MooreBond (usually three but as many as four in A View To A Kill).

Heck, even LazenbyBond had a good time, especially with at least three girls at Piz Gloria with Tracy as his main 'squeeze'.

Many of us could conclude that CraigBond really hasn't been fully portrayed as 'the finished article' through the course of an entire movie. At least not yet (I think). So, what of this film?

So with the Casino Royale-Quantum Of Solace story arc having been completed, are we to expect a James Bond who is going to start having the type of non-emotional and 'cold' sex-for-fun and sex For-Queen-And-Country which Fleming often wrote about...and which we came to expect right up to and including the Brosnan era?

Or is the old EON mould well and truly broken?

Is Our James going to have a tryst with more than one 'Bond Woman' in Skyfall? Will Severine and Eve both end up in bed with 007? Could there even be a minor female character who could fill James' down time in this film like we used to see in the 'old days'?

Or is there no more going back?

I suppose it all comes down to 'the story' and 'context' (as opposed to 'going back to formula')?

[Captain Tightpants]

To be perfectly honest ... I don't really care that much. I've never really found any of the sex scenes to be unnecessary, but I don't think SKYFALL is going to have Bond bedding women just because he can.

[mttvolcano]

To be perfectly honest ... I don't really care that much. I've never really found any of the sex scenes to be unnecessary, but I don't think SKYFALL is going to have Bond bedding women just because he can.

It has to come back to that quote from Thunderball, "What I did was for Queen and country."

[The Shark]

To be perfectly honest ... I don't really care that much.

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[Vauxhall]

It's odd. There really hasn't seemed to have been as much emphasis on this from the fans in the Craig era. Perhaps it doesn't really fit in with Craig's Bond, but I can only recall negative comments about his tryst with Fields in QUANTUM OF SOLACE, and hardly any comment at all about the fact he and Camille didn't get it together. Perhaps SKYFALL will see him returning to his womanising ways, but it doesn't appear to really fit with the tone of what little we know so far about the movie. Maybe though.

[Pussfeller]

I like the bacchanalian aspect of Bond and wish it would be emphasized more. It's a big part of what distinguishes Bond from other action franchises. As long as each rendezvous is plausible and has a point, I'm all for it. There was a tendency in the Moore films to have Bond screw random bystanders for no reason, not in the line of duty but just to amuse himself personally. It's one thing for Bond to combine business and pleasure, but he should always have an eye on the mission. Every sexual situation should be somehow connected to the mission. Another problem with Moore's philandering was that women simply surrendered to him automatically, and there was no sense that he had earned such a reaction. It was just "I'm Bond, therefore you desire me." Brosnan suffered from the same problem. He never earned his crumpet. Craig is different. He exudes virility, confidence, and aggressiveness. It would be entirely plausible to give him four or five sexual partners in a single film. As long as it serves the mission.

[Jim]

All this driving around with The Dench (which appears to be the only ascertainable plot to date) suggests Granny Dogging.

[Royal Dalton]

Special Appearance by Stan Collymore.

[Pussfeller]

It would be charmingly unexpected to have M brought down by a sex scandal, especially if it involved 0011.

[Matt_13]

All this driving around with The Dench (which appears to be the only ascertainable plot to date) suggests Granny Dogging.

Christ.


Anyway, I've never really felt comfortable with the majority of the love scenes in the Bond films. Most of them are painfully embarrassing and awkward, as most of the actors are considerably older than the women they are supposedly seducing. The love scenes in Casino Royale were handled well, but if history has proved, in order to keep this from being cringe-worthy, they have to establish the relationship delicately. If I had to assume, I'd say Bond will have both Eve and Severine. Marlohe's appointment seems to be for the sole purpose of eye candy while Harris is the actress (she was rather good in 28 Days Later). We'll see, with Mendes in charge I'm going to assume it's going to be more traditional in this regard. Chances are he will end the film with one of the two in bed. As for the way Fields was handled in QoS, that was absolutely botched. I remember reading an interview with Gemma where she mentioned that she was Bond's first woman following Vesper's death, and how the scene was supposed to represent this release of pent up angst leading to a mild bout of guilt on Bond's behalf afterward. I'm guessing this was scrapped because the idea of more angst and moping about loss would have dragged the film a bit lower. It would have given her character's death a bit more weight, though.

[killkenny kid]

All this driving around with The Dench (which appears to be the only ascertainable plot to date) suggests Granny Dogging.

Pure Gold!

[Single-O-Seven]

All this driving around with The Dench (which appears to be the only ascertainable plot to date) suggests Granny Dogging.

Pure Gold!

The joke or actual granny dogging?

[killkenny kid]

The joke my friend, the joke.,,lol

[Captain Tightpants]

It has to come back to that quote from Thunderball, "What I did was for Queen and country."

Well, maybe not that extreme. But I know there are some people who seem to think that Bond should be a horny frat boy to make up for not sleeping with many women in CASINO ROYALE and QUANTUM OF SOLACE. And I think that would be a serious mistake.

[Single-O-Seven]

It has to come back to that quote from Thunderball, "What I did was for Queen and country."

Well, maybe not that extreme. But I know there are some people who seem to think that Bond should be a horny frat boy to make up for not sleeping with many women in CASINO ROYALE and QUANTUM OF SOLACE. And I think that would be a serious mistake.

I would have to agree with you, Captain. Despite the popular cliche from the early films, Fleming's Bond typically adhered to one main girl per book. Given that Craig & Co. seem keen on portraying the latter Bond (and are doing it well) I feel they should maintain this course for a bit longer.

[Peckinpah1976]

Not to mention that the world has changed considerably since the 60's and 70's films (Bond's womanising in TB and OHMSS is cringeworthy viewed now and I love both of those films in every other respect). It's also difficult to make a dramatically convincing and engaging thriller when the action stops every five minutes for the main character to get his leg over.

Edited by Peckinpah1976, 24 February 2012 - 01:14 PM.

[Vesper And Tracy]

I like the bacchanalian aspect of Bond and wish it would be emphasized more. It's a big part of what distinguishes Bond from other action franchises. As long as each rendezvous is plausible and has a point, I'm all for it. There was a tendency in the Moore films to have Bond screw random bystanders for no reason, not in the line of duty but just to amuse himself personally. It's one thing for Bond to combine business and pleasure, but he should always have an eye on the mission. Every sexual situation should be somehow connected to the mission. Another problem with Moore's philandering was that women simply surrendered to him automatically, and there was no sense that he had earned such a reaction. It was just "I'm Bond, therefore you desire me." Brosnan suffered from the same problem. He never earned his crumpet. Craig is different. He exudes virility, confidence, and aggressiveness. It would be entirely plausible to give him four .... sexual partners in a single film. As long as it serves the mission.

First of all, I really liked that post by Pussfeller!


Secondly, I would like to thank all of the Commanderbond.net members who responded to my first ever post.

Next, as Pussfeller has implied, James Bond is definitely not a Jason Bourne/Ethan Hunt/Jack Bauer-type of character. 'Sex' - or, more specifically, sexually-charged energy, sensuality and sexual virility - is a major differentiating factor between James Bond and all of the others spy and run-of-the-mill 'action' characters. The rest of them might as well be Unics for all I care (perhaps Tom Cruise actually is?). But Our James is a Man and an Animal (for use of a better term). Bond is potent and instinctual... A "Sensualist" as Connery once mentioned.

In addition, although I do agree with some of the sentiments of Matt and Peckinpah, I do think there's a really wide gulf between "'shagging' some young 'bird' every 20 minutes on screen" (a la Connery, Lazenby and Moore in films such as You Only Live Twice, On Her Majesty's Secret Service and A View To A Kill) and the way in which, for instance, Dalton's Bond went about things when it came to women.

DaltonBond (especially in The Living Daylights) was, arguably, more 'Fleming-like' in relation to the three other EON Bonds before him and it was 'Sex For Dinner, Death For Breakfast' type stuff in those two late 80s outings, notwithstanding the AIDS-influenced sensibilities of the times. Fleming's Bond always understood that tonight could very well be his last night...so why not 'take' love wherever and whenever you could find it?

Lastly, it is precisely 007's penchant for fine tailoring, fine food & drink and beautiful, sexy women (whether for pleasure or For Queen And Country) which makes him more attractive of a character (to me, at least) than yer run-off-the-mill 'action star' or 'spy character'. I, as a result, would welcome Our James - now theoretically 'the fully finished article' - enjoying at least two Bond Women in the film currently in production.

It would be a real shame if Craig's 007 didn't get to utilise sex and/or "enjoy" himself more fully in SKYFALL.

The differentiating ethos should always be: "Live Life Now For Tomorrow Never Knows ... and ... For Queen And Country".

[Vesper And Tracy]

Secondly, I would like to thank all of the Commanderbond.net members who responded to my first ever thread topic.

Next, as Pussfeller implies, James Bond is definitely not a Jason Bourne/Ethan Hunt/Jack Bauer-type of character. 'Sex' - or, more specifically, sexually-charged energy, sensuality and sexual virility - is a major differentiating factor between the James Bond character and all of the other spys and run-of-the-mill 'action' characters. The rest of them might as well be Unics for all I care. But Our James is a Man and an Animal (for use of a better term). Bond is potent and instinctual... A "Sensualist" as Connery once mentioned.

In addition, although I agree with some of Matt's and Peckinpah's sentiments, there's a really wide gulf between "'shagging' some young 'bird' every 20 minutes on screen" (a la Connery, Lazenby and Moore in You Only Live Twice, On Her Majesty's Secret Service and in A View To A Kill) and the way in which, for instance, Dalton's Bond went about things when it came to women.

DaltonBond (especially in The Living Daylights) was, arguably, more 'Fleming-like' in relation to the three other EON Bonds before him and it was 'Sex For Dinner, Death For Breakfast' type stuff in those two late 1980s outings, notwithstanding the AIDS-influenced sensibilities of the times. Fleming's Bond always understood that tonight could very well be his last night...so why not 'take' love whenever and wherever you could find it?

Lastly, it is precisely 007's penchant for fine tailoring, fine food & drink and beautiful, sexy women (whether for pure pleasure or 'for the mission') which makes him more attractive a character (to me, at least) than yer run-off-the-mill 'action star' or 'spy character'. I, as a result, would welcome Our James - now (theoretically) 'the fully finished article' - enjoying at least two Bond Women in the current Eon production.

It would be a real shame if Craig's 007 didn't get to utilise sex and/or "enjoy" himself more fully in SKYFALL.

The differentiating ethos should always be: "Live Life Now For Tomorrow Never Knows ... and ... For Queen And Country".

[Vesper And Tracy]

It's obvious I have no idea how to post in this system. Correctly enough so that my replies would actually appear.

Any Idea how I would go about unveiling what I typed out in post #17 (and then again in post #18)?

[Vauxhall]

It's obvious I have no idea how to post in this system. Correctly enough so that my replies would actually appear.

Any Idea how I would go about unveiling what I typed out in post #17 (and then again in post #18)?

It's readable if you highlight all the text, but to avoid that step, you'll need to edit the posts and alter the font colour to match your other posts.

[Vesper And Tracy]

I like the bacchanalian aspect of Bond and wish it would be emphasized more. It's a big part of what distinguishes Bond from other action franchises. As long as each rendezvous is plausible and has a point, I'm all for it. There was a tendency in the Moore films to have Bond screw random bystanders for no reason, not in the line of duty but just to amuse himself personally. It's one thing for Bond to combine business and pleasure, but he should always have an eye on the mission. Every sexual situation should be somehow connected to the mission. Another problem with Moore's philandering was that women simply surrendered to him automatically, and there was no sense that he had earned such a reaction. It was just "I'm Bond, therefore you desire me." Brosnan suffered from the same problem. He never earned his crumpet. Craig is different. He exudes virility, confidence, and aggressiveness. It would be entirely plausible to give him four .... sexual partners in a single film. As long as it serves the mission.

First of all, I really liked that post by Pussfeller!


Secondly, I would like to thank all of the Commanderbond.net members who responded to my first ever post.

Next, as Pussfeller has implied, James Bond is definitely not a Jason Bourne/Ethan Hunt/Jack Bauer-type of character. 'Sex' - or, more specifically, sexually-charged energy, sensuality and sexual virility - is a major differentiating factor between James Bond and all of the others spy and run-of-the-mill 'action' characters. The rest of them might as well be Unics for all I care (perhaps Tom Cruise actually is?). But Our James is a Man and an Animal (for use of a better term). Bond is potent and instinctual... A "Sensualist" as Connery once mentioned.

In addition, although I do agree with some of the sentiments of Matt and Peckinpah, I do think there's a really wide gulf between "'shagging' some young 'bird' every 20 minutes on screen" (a la Connery, Lazenby and Moore in films such as You Only Live Twice, On Her Majesty's Secret Service and A View To A Kill) and the way in which, for instance, Dalton's Bond went about things when it came to women.

DaltonBond (especially in The Living Daylights) was, arguably, more 'Fleming-like' in relation to the three other EON Bonds before him and it was 'Sex For Dinner, Death For Breakfast' type stuff in those two late 80s outings, notwithstanding the AIDS-influenced sensibilities of the times. Fleming's Bond always understood that tonight could very well be his last night...so why not 'take' love wherever and whenever you could find it?

Lastly, it is precisely 007's penchant for fine tailoring, fine food & drink and beautiful, sexy women (whether for pleasure or For Queen And Country) which makes him more attractive of a character (to me, at least) than yer run-off-the-mill 'action star' or 'spy character'. I, as a result, would welcome Our James - now theoretically 'the fully finished article' - enjoying at least two Bond Women in the film currently in production.

It would be a real shame if Craig's 007 didn't get to utilise sex and/or "enjoy" himself more fully in SKYFALL.

The differentiating ethos should always be: "Live Life Now For Tomorrow Never Knows ... and ... For Queen And Country".

[S K Y F A L L]

I think they are done with the scenes were they call Bond while he is with a woman. I also think they are done with the silly names that Austin Powers likes to spoof.

[killkenny kid]

I think they are done with the scenes were they call Bond while he is with a woman. I also think they are done with the silly names that Austin Powers likes to spoof.

So true, can't say I'll miss it.

[sharpshooter]

Well, Vesper's cover of Miss Stephanie Broadchest was a little wink at those funny names. And Harris has said she supposes people will find Eve's surname humourous. We'll have to see what it is, but that aspect isn't totally done with it seems.

[ggl]

And I´m quite sure Severine will be a bad girl (Xenia?) and perhaps she is "severe" with her enemies... or lovers.

[Vesper And Tracy]

I'm going to the Canadian premiere tonight!

How exciting!

It's an IMAX screening at Scotiabank Theatre in downtown Toronto in support of an international charity followed by an 'After-Party' at the Spoke Club on King Street, West.

I'll be wearing my timeless Submariner and driving a 'meteor grey' Vantage to the proceedings in honour of the occassion!

I expect it to be a deeply spiritual experience. Can't wait!

[As and aside - I've been listening to Matt Monroe's "From Russia With Love", "You Only Live Twice", Barry's OHMSS 'Main Theme', "Diamonds Are Forver", McCartney's "Live And Let Die", Duran Duran's "A View To A Kill", Our K.D. Lang's "Surrender", and Arnold's "Backseat Driver" and "Aston Montenegro" this morning! Hehe!]

Now, back to topic:

From what I gather, Our James 'has' a "casual lover" early in the movie (Greek actress; Turkish beach girl)...followed by Severine (in the shower).

So Far, So Good!

Only question to be answered is whether he gets to 'have' Eve at the location she gives him a close shave!

For those who've seen the film - and without typing spoilers - is Our James back to his finest form in terms of shagging the lovelies in this film?

Edited by Vesper And Tracy, 06 November 2012 - 01:40 PM.

[WC]

I'm going to the Canadian premiere tonight!

How exciting!

It's an IMAX screening at Scotiabank Theatre in downtown Toronto in support of an international charity followed by an 'After-Party' at the Spoke Club on King Street, West.

I'll be wearing my timeless Submariner and driving a 'meteor grey' Vantage to the proceedings in honour of the occassion!

I expect it to be a deeply spiritual experience. Can't wait!

[As and aside - I've been listening to Matt Monroe's "From Russia With Love", "You Only Live Twice", Barry's OHMSS 'Main Theme', "Diamonds Are Forver", McCartney's "Live And Let Die", Duran Duran's "A View To A Kill", Our K.D. Lang's "Surrender", and Arnold's "Backseat Driver" and "Aston Montenegro" this morning! Hehe!]

Now, back to topic:

From what I gather, Our James 'has' a "casual lover" early in the movie (Greek actress; Turkish beach girl)...followed by Severine (in the shower).

So Far, So Good!

Only question to be answered is whether he gets to 'have' Eve at the location she gives him a close shave!

For those who've seen the film - and without typing spoilers - is Our James back to his finest form in terms of shagging the lovelies in this film?

In a word, no. And since the main Bond girl is.... well, you'll see for yourself... he won't be shagging her anytime soon, nor would we want him to.

[Vesper And Tracy]

I'm going to the Canadian premiere tonight!

How exciting!
...

For those who've seen the film - and without typing spoilers - is Our James back to his finest form in terms of shagging the lovelies in this film?

In a word, no. And since the main Bond girl is.... well, you'll see for yourself... he won't be shagging her anytime soon, nor would we want him to.

Because?

We don't want 007 being a perv necro?

[thecasinoroyale]

He certainly has more of the old 007 in him than in previous Craig films - without being lewd, he has his fair share I reckon in 'Skyfall'.

One time he even tries it he actually gets shunned from the girl in question...!

[WC]

I'm going to the Canadian premiere tonight!

How exciting!
...

For those who've seen the film - and without typing spoilers - is Our James back to his finest form in terms of shagging the lovelies in this film?

In a word, no. And since the main Bond girl is.... well, you'll see for yourself... he won't be shagging her anytime soon, nor would we want him to.

Because?

We don't want 007 being a perv necro?

Well that's one way of describing her, even before the end.