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[dinovelvet]

Having just read something about a certain other blockbuster series jumping forward 8 years between installments, I'm wondering if something similar is going on with Skyfall. In CR/QOS, we had the 'rookie' Bond learning the ropes of being a 00, controlling his impulses and figuring out the Big Picture, etc.

Fast forward to the set of Skyfall, and James Bond is looking rather more 'seasoned', walking around with GREY stubble and a noticeably higher hairline. They seem to deliberately want Bond to look older in this one. In the past, we've had Bond actors make liberal use of rugs and hair dye, etc, but obviously there's none of that going on here. So what's the angle here? Having now explored the Early Bond, do EON now want to move on to the Late Bond? Are we to assume that Craig's Bond will have experienced everything from Dr.No to DAD in the intervening years? Is DC just in disguise to look older in these early scenes?

[DamnCoffee]

I've been thinking this, too. Maybe it does have a good time jump. I mean, for Bond to be fully over Vesper and now 'the-James-Bond-we-all-know-and-love-TM' I think it would make sense for him to have a number of missions under his belt for it to be a more believable.

Edited by Mharkin, 22 November 2011 - 09:12 PM.

[Single-O-Seven]

Maybe that's how they'll honour the 50th anniversary - a more seasoned Bond discussing the missions we've skipped over as he pulls Honey's knife, etc, from his desk drawer....

[Skudor]

Maybe that's how they'll honour the 50th anniversary - a more seasoned Bond discussing the missions we've skipped over as he pulls Honey's knife, etc, from his desk drawer....

LOL

That will be the scene where I take a fist full of popcorn and throw it at the screen.

No more references to the past - after all the real past is now the cinematic future that will never be.

[Single-O-Seven]

Maybe that's how they'll honour the 50th anniversary - a more seasoned Bond discussing the missions we've skipped over as he pulls Honey's knife, etc, from his desk drawer....

LOL

That will be the scene where I take a fist full of popcorn and throw it at the screen.

No more references to the past - after all the real past is now the cinematic future that will never be.

Imagine the screen time that would be used up (not to mention the size of the drawer) if he pulled out something from every movie, beginning with Honey's knife and ending with Jinx's knife. Aside from hardcore fans. nobody would know what the hell was going on.

[DamnCoffee]

A massive never ending draw full of knives? Won't look random at all!


Hopefully this will include an instrumental main theme from each movie, blended together into one massive track entitled, 'Forward to Time Past'

Edited by Mharkin, 22 November 2011 - 09:54 PM.

[Aris007]

Considering that there's no connection between Skyfall and the last two films I'm sure that Bond in this one will be an experienced 00 rather than a rookie field agent. However I don't think that we'll get the exact place in the timeline, but I don't think that Bond will be placed in the end of his carreer.

[dinovelvet]

Maybe that's how they'll honour the 50th anniversary - a more seasoned Bond discussing the missions we've skipped over as he pulls Honey's knife, etc, from his desk drawer....

LOL

That will be the scene where I take a fist full of popcorn and throw it at the screen.

No more references to the past - after all the real past is now the cinematic future that will never be.

Imagine the screen time that would be used up (not to mention the size of the drawer) if he pulled out something from every movie, beginning with Honey's knife and ending with Jinx's knife. Aside from hardcore fans. nobody would know what the hell was going on.

Yep, I want a ten minute scene where Bond takes all of the following out of his drawer (its a big drawer); Deep breath : Honey's knife, Grant's watch/garotte, the shoe homing device, underwater camera, ninja star, wedding ring, shark gun, solex agitator, set of metal teeth, wrist dart gun, Dove pin, yo-yo buzzsaw, Q's surveillance robodog, a sack of opium, Felix's lighter, a belt with a piton, cellphone with remote control car touchpad, half a piece of plutonium, a glass-shattering ring, a poker chip, and a Q badge. That won't feel like an awkward scene at all!

[DamnCoffee]

Hahahahajyhtgredws I just have this hilarious image of Bond having a massive sack of Opium out of his drawer.

[The Shark]

No more references to the past - after all the real past is now the cinematic future that will never be.

Maybe not references to the first 20 films, but what about acknowledging Craig's previous two - like the the title sequences of GOLDFINGER and ON HER MAJESTY'S SERVICE?

[Blonde Bond]

I want Bond to be the same man he was in CR as 38 year old, only as a 43 year old seasoned agent in SkyFall. I don't want Bond to be any older than Craig is in real life. Say, we get maybe two more out of him and it wouldn't really be right if he was over sixty in his last entry, when in reality he, the actor, wouldn't be. Then again, maybe for the last film they could give us a timejump and make Bond older. Maybe just not yet.

[freemo]

Make the time jump the credit sequence, with stylized animated scenes of the Bond "we all know and love" completing the missions "we all know and love", mixed with the covers from the Fleming first editions.

Eg:

GOLDFINGER

The skull with the gold coin eyes morphs into Goldfinger. We pull back to see him and Odd Job standing over Bond, who's strapped to the table with the buzz saw inching between his legs.

MOONRAKER

The flames of the Moonraker cover turn into the actual fire from the booster engines as we see the rocket launch.

FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE

Bond fires his gun at Kleeb, but a long stemmed rose comes out and wraps itself around Bond.

Etc.

[mttvolcano]

hmmm...interesting angle!
I do like the idea of fast forwarding a few years deliberately making him look older.
Perhaps it will be something like the new Batman film, supposed to take place, not immediately after, but 8 years down the road.
Again, yes I do think he's seasoned, I just don't know how much or how long it will take afterward. Somehow he's done good learning the ropes and was decided to be kept at MI6 for it to go this far in.

[DamnCoffee]

That sounds amazing. Would be lovely to see that. Like a retro style opening. Anyone seen the new Tin Tin movie? The opening title sequence of that is brilliant, my friend was giddy with excitement at the amount of fan stuff they put in.

[dinovelvet]

hmmm...interesting angle!
I do like the idea of fast forwarding a few years deliberately making him look older.
Perhaps it will be something like the new Batman film, supposed to take place, not immediately after, but 8 years down the road.

Erm...yes that's exactly what I was trying to hint at without mentioning Batman for people who don't want that spoiled.

[univex]

Make the time jump the credit sequence, with stylized animated scenes of the Bond "we all know and love" completing the missions "we all know and love", mixed with the covers from the Fleming first editions.

Eg:

GOLDFINGER

The skull with the gold coin eyes morphs into Goldfinger. We pull back to see him and Odd Job standing over Bond, who's strapped to the table with the buzz saw inching between his legs.

MOONRAKER

The flames of the Moonraker cover turn into the actual fire from the booster engines as we see the rocket launch.

FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE

Bond fires his gun at Kleeb, but a long stemmed rose comes out and wraps itself around Bond.

Etc.

Bond fan heaven if done in good taste

[Iroquois]

Make the time jump the credit sequence, with stylized animated scenes of the Bond "we all know and love" completing the missions "we all know and love", mixed with the covers from the Fleming first editions.

Eg:

GOLDFINGER

The skull with the gold coin eyes morphs into Goldfinger. We pull back to see him and Odd Job standing over Bond, who's strapped to the table with the buzz saw inching between his legs.

MOONRAKER

The flames of the Moonraker cover turn into the actual fire from the booster engines as we see the rocket launch.

FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE

Bond fires his gun at Kleeb, but a long stemmed rose comes out and wraps itself around Bond.

Etc.

This is an amazing idea!

[x007AceOfSpades]

I was actually going to make a topic about this, but you beat me to it dinovelvet! I'm really hoping this film is more of a classic 007 that we all know.

As for the other franchise that's getting a flashforward 8 years ahead, I hope it doesn't ruin the film at all.

[OmarB]

I like the idea of the time jump, in the other franchise as well as this one. Wasn't it in Moonraker Bond mused about how much time the agents have between missions? It weas a fortnight if I remember Fleming correctly. But I too would like a gap if there is one to be longer than that.

I like the idea of things from previous stories making an appearance. Maybe we can finally see Bond's office and it's got stuff on the walls, etc from past missions. Maybe a life preserver on the wall that says "Disco Volante," the golden gun in pieces on the table (like he was field stripping it, A framed picture of Bond (DC) and Quarell. You can work in lots of memorabilia on the walls, we all who have offices can see how they reflect us.

[univex]

Yes, but doing all of those things in the titles and not in the film would be brilliant. Just like in CR, we had Bond fighting quite stylishly some villains and his 007 status being aproved. It moved the story forwards and it was done tastefully. I say, no intro, just a new gunbarrel reminiscent of the one in DR.No and then cue the titles with loads of references (again, Tintin did it beautifully)from missions Bond has been in the last 4 years. 4 years as a 00 is enough to make one seem seasoned, right?

Edited by univex, 23 November 2011 - 02:34 AM.

[Tybre]

I wouldn't necessarily mind a timeskip actually. Not to the scale of the film OP is referencing, but yeah, a bit of a jump wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing. No matter what I think we're going to have a sort of naturalistic timeskip, which typing that now doesn't make as much sense as it did in my head. What I mean is, without it being directly tied to CR/QOS I think we're going to see a less reckless/green-behind-the-ears Bond and, obviously, no direct references, if indeed any at all.

Although I will say if Skyfall were to be Craig's last film (and I certainly hope not) a timeskip somehow seems more appropriate.

Okay now this would just be friggin awesome.

[univex]

There really are so many good influences to draw from those first editions The titles could end up looking very stylish.

[007jamesbond]

I think 4 years with Bond having a couple of mission done already. Would love a reference to former mission between M and Bond like congrats him on sucessful competition of it.

[Captain Tightpants]

Make the time jump the credit sequence, with stylized animated scenes of the Bond "we all know and love" completing the missions "we all know and love", mixed with the covers from the Fleming first editions.

Sounds like the beginning of X-MEN ORIGINS, with Hugh Jackman and Liev Schriber running around in various wars.

And to be perfectly honest, it also sounds kind of tacky. Like fan-service on crack. And I doubt anyone but the fans will actually understand any of it. Everyone else will probably just think that it's a bad trip on acid.

[SecretAgentFan]

And to think that it was only six years ago that Bond was re-booted to be younger (remember the Haggis interview with Bond is 28 in CR?)...

Naw, it does not make sense to jump ahead in time now... unless they want to reboot again next time. Which I would not approve of.

I think they will use the "natural" time that has passed between QOS and SF. And Craig just looks a bit more craggy now.


Having said that, I wouldn´t mind a pre-title sequence which would be depicting a mission from the past years in which we did not get a movie - not connected to the rest of the film.

[007jamesbond]

And to think that it was only six years ago that Bond was re-booted to be younger (remember the Haggis interview with Bond is 28 in CR?)...

Naw, it does not make sense to jump ahead in time now... unless they want to reboot again next time. Which I would not approve of.

I think they will use the "natural" time that has passed between QOS and SF. And Craig just looks a bit more craggy now.


Having said that, I wouldn´t mind a pre-title sequence which would be depicting a mission from the past years in which we did not get a movie - not connected to the rest of the film.

Kind of like the start of Goldfinger where Bond blow up a drug lab which did not have any relationship with the rest of the movie. I would love to see this but probabl wont but maybe a brief mention would be ok too

[Jim]

Make the time jump the credit sequence, with stylized animated scenes of the Bond "we all know and love" completing the missions "we all know and love", mixed with the covers from the Fleming first editions.

Eg:

GOLDFINGER

The skull with the gold coin eyes morphs into Goldfinger. We pull back to see him and Odd Job standing over Bond, who's strapped to the table with the buzz saw inching between his legs.

MOONRAKER

The flames of the Moonraker cover turn into the actual fire from the booster engines as we see the rocket launch.

FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE

Bond fires his gun at Kleeb, but a long stemmed rose comes out and wraps itself around Bond.

Etc.

I do like that.

Everyone else will probably just think that it's a bad trip on acid.

Yes, Octopussy's titles are fundamentally not this. Not this at all. Nor A View to a Kill's. Nor [insert name of film... here].

[Captain Tightpants]

The difference is that freemo's proposal has half a dozen elements that are only linked by their connection to the original editions of Fleming's book covers - which is not something that modern audiences are necessarily going to understand. Most of the other title sequences are usually worked around one core element; in QUANTUM OF SOLACE, it's sand; in THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH, it's oil; in GOLDENEYE, it's Soviet icons; in CASINO ROYALE, it's playing cards, and so on and so forth.

[Jim]

The difference is that freemo's proposal has half a dozen elements that are only linked by their connection to the original editions of Fleming's book covers - which is not something that modern audiences are necessarily going to understand. Most of the other title sequences are usually worked around one core element; in QUANTUM OF SOLACE, it's sand; in THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH, it's oil; in GOLDENEYE, it's Soviet icons; in CASINO ROYALE, it's playing cards, and so on and so forth.

Either one capitulates to the "modern" audience (or capitulates to one's perception of them), or one does not.

[Captain Tightpants]

Better to go with the current - because going against it with mutliple design elements in the titles will just leave people scratching their heads well into the film, which means they run the risk of understanding plot points.