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[Ambler]

I'm skeptical that there was any story arc sketched out from Cr to QOS and 23. The whole thing seemed to be made up as they went along.

[Orion]

I'm skeptical that there was any story arc sketched out from Cr to QOS and 23. The whole thing seemed to be made up as they went along.

Kind of the definition of writing really...

I think they loosely planned to have the same oraganisation backing the villains in each of Craig's films, but apart from that i think you're right.

[Zorin Industries]

I'm skeptical that there was any story arc sketched out from Cr to QOS and 23. The whole thing seemed to be made up as they went along.

Fine. Be sceptical. There's no harm in that. Though there was a story arc set out LONG before SOLACE. And I say that with a certain confidence.

[Loomis]

I can say with a certain confidence that I think you're right, Zorin.

[conneryboy]

I think it is worth givig P&W another bite of the apple, but only if they are concidered to write it on there own, TWINE they had help from BF, DAD was somewhat hyjacked by LT, and CR and QoS PH was involved, lets not forget P&W did write Let Him Have It one of the finest British films ever made.

[Zorin Industries]

not forget P&W did write Let Him Have It one of the finest British films ever made.

Agreed.

Though they have yet to better that nearly twenty years on. I'm not quite sure JOHNNY ENGLISH reaches the heights of LET HIM HAVE IT... but horses for courses...

[Orion]

Though they have yet to better that nearly twenty years on. I'm not quite sure JOHNNY ENGLISH reaches the heights of LET HIM HAVE IT... but horses for courses...

Apparantly their draft of Johnny English is nothing like the final film and the only reason they have a credit is because the intial story idea was theirs. I can't quite remember where i read that, possible an Empire article.


What i find interesting is that of the four Bond films P&W have done so far, the one that seemed to have had the least interference officially was Casino Royale, you know, the critically acclaimed one. With TWINE there where quite a few writers had a crack at it after them. Tamahori GLOATS in a few interviews at the time on the amount of stuff he changed and added to Die Another Day's script(most importatnly he added THAT tsunami scene against the judgement of MGW according to his interview in i think it was Total Film). Accoriding to Haggis and the producers, PH just did a dialogue polish for CR, but then for QOS he was given alot more input as he was suggesting story ideas and wrote several drafts, before it was further re-written during the shoot.

Basically what i'm saying is, i dont get all the hate towards them, when the problems with the films they've written hasnt been done by them, and the film where most of their draft survived is the one which has proven to be the most popular.

Edited by Orion, 19 June 2009 - 05:06 PM.

[sthgilyadgnivileht]

Though they have yet to better that nearly twenty years on. I'm not quite sure JOHNNY ENGLISH reaches the heights of LET HIM HAVE IT... but horses for courses...

Apparantly their draft of Johnny English is nothing like the final film and the only reason they have a credit is because the intial story idea was theirs. I can't quite remember where i read that, possible an Empire article.


What i find interesting is that of the four Bond films P&W have done so far, the one that seemed to have had the least interference officially was Casino Royale, you know, the critically acclaimed one. With TWINE there where quite a few writers had a crack at it after them. Tamahori GLOATS in a few interviews at the time on the amount of stuff he changed and added to Die Another Day's script(most importatnly he added THAT tsunami scene against the judgement of MGW according to his interview in i think it was Total Film). Accoriding to Haggis and the producers, PH just did a dialogue polish for CR, but then for QOS he was given alot more input as he was suggesting stryo ideas and wrote several drafts, before it was further re-written during the shoot.

Basically what i'm saying is, i dont get all the hate towards them, when the problems with the films they've written hasnt been done by them, and the film where most of their draft survived is the one which has proven to be the most popular.

Surprised about the Johnny English not being all theirs, as there are similar elements in that film to DAD.
A quote from Empire magazine I posted earlier on this thread suggests it was P&W that actually came up with the ideas for DAD's ending after Tamahori originated the change in script.
I don't hate P&W, but I find it very difficult to forgive them for some of the awful schoolboy dialogue in DAD. I think that is their biggest downfall, and as far as I am aware that script was all theirs (inasmuch as a film script can be fully written by the screen credited writers).
I would really love to know who wrote what from TWINE onwards so I can make a fully informed judgement on P&W writing skills.

[Orion]

Though they have yet to better that nearly twenty years on. I'm not quite sure JOHNNY ENGLISH reaches the heights of LET HIM HAVE IT... but horses for courses...

Apparantly their draft of Johnny English is nothing like the final film and the only reason they have a credit is because the intial story idea was theirs. I can't quite remember where i read that, possible an Empire article.


What i find interesting is that of the four Bond films P&W have done so far, the one that seemed to have had the least interference officially was Casino Royale, you know, the critically acclaimed one. With TWINE there where quite a few writers had a crack at it after them. Tamahori GLOATS in a few interviews at the time on the amount of stuff he changed and added to Die Another Day's script(most importatnly he added THAT tsunami scene against the judgement of MGW according to his interview in i think it was Total Film). Accoriding to Haggis and the producers, PH just did a dialogue polish for CR, but then for QOS he was given alot more input as he was suggesting stryo ideas and wrote several drafts, before it was further re-written during the shoot.

Basically what i'm saying is, i dont get all the hate towards them, when the problems with the films they've written hasnt been done by them, and the film where most of their draft survived is the one which has proven to be the most popular.

Surprised about the Johnny English not being all theirs, as there are similar elements in that film to DAD.
A quote from Empire magazine I posted earlier on this thread suggests it was P&W that actually came up with the ideas for DAD's ending after Tamahori originated the change in script.
I don't hate P&W, but I find it very difficult to forgive them for some of the awful schoolboy dialogue in DAD. I think that is their biggest downfall, and as far as I am aware that script was all theirs (inasmuch as a film script can be fully written by the screen credited writers).
I would really love to know who wrote what from TWINE onwards so I can make a fully informed judgement on P&W writing skills.

Well i know that Apted's wife wrote some of TWINE uncredited, it would be fascinating to know how much was changed from P&W's intial draft.

[Pierce - Daniel]

What! Apted's wife? If your referring to Dana Stevens, then she isn't Apted's wife and she did an uncredited polish on the TWINE.

[sthgilyadgnivileht]

Well i know that Apted's wife wrote some of TWINE uncredited, it would be fascinating to know how much was changed from P&W's intial draft.

Yeah, she did the dialogue polish/writing scenes with some of the female characters in TWINE as far as I know.

[Orion]

What! Apted's wife? If your referring to Dana Stevens, then she isn't Apted's wife and she did an uncredited polish on the TWINE.

No really, i was reading an aritcle about TWINE and it said "Michael Apted's wife" contributed.

[Zorin Industries]

What! Apted's wife? If your referring to Dana Stevens, then she isn't Apted's wife and she did an uncredited polish on the TWINE.

Sorry - but she is Apted's wife and did tidy up / enhance the female perspective of THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH...

http://www.dga.org/m...6/pages/021.htm

[DamnCoffee]

What! Apted's wife? If your referring to Dana Stevens, then she isn't Apted's wife and she did an uncredited polish on the TWINE.

Sorry - but she is Apted's wife and did tidy up / enhance the female perspective of THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH...

http://www.dga.org/m...6/pages/021.htm

Urghhh. How many more bloody ghost writers are going to pop out the woodwork?

Anyone heard the expression: Damaged Goods! Er... 'To Many Cooks Spoil The Broth'? Brosnans last two films and Quantum of Solace are proof of this. The World is not Enough and Die Another Day more so.

[danslittlefinger]

What! Apted's wife? If your referring to Dana Stevens, then she isn't Apted's wife and she did an uncredited polish on the TWINE.

Sorry - but she is Apted's wife and did tidy up / enhance the female perspective of THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH...

http://www.dga.org/m...6/pages/021.htm

Well that's a new one on me.

[sthgilyadgnivileht]

The World Is Not Enough Companion Guide by Iain Johnson reads:
"Apted still wanted more work on the character of Elektra. He felt the film would only work if her relationship with Bond worked. The studio suggested that the director's wife, Dana Stevens, who had written City of Angels and more recently The Love Game [....] would be the ideal person to do this.
Its almost the norm in pictures of this size to customise the writers for certain elements. There seemed to be no hard feelings as Purvis and Wade handed over to Dana Stevens. They had laid down the bedrock plot and it was indicated to them that they would be welcome aboard the next Bond film".

Edited by sthgilyadgnivileht, 19 June 2009 - 05:55 PM.

[DamnCoffee]

The World Is Not Enough Companion Guide by Iain Johnson reads
"Apted still wanted more work on the character of Elektra. He felt the film would only work if her relationship with Bond worked..."

Shame he never got round to it then.

[sthgilyadgnivileht]

The World Is Not Enough Companion Guide by Iain Johnson reads
"Apted still wanted more work on the character of Elektra. He felt the film would only work if her relationship with Bond worked..."

Shame he never got round to it then.

Yeah, the film certainly never 'worked' for me.....

[Royal Dalton]

I had high hopes for TWINE when Purvis and Wade were announced as the writers. Especially when Peter Medak was being mooted as the director.

But there you go. Too many cooks spoiling the broth, as usual.

[conneryboy]

Apparantly their draft of Johnny English is nothing like the final film and the only reason they have a credit is because the intial story idea was theirs. I can't quite remember where i read that, possible an Empire article.

Sounds like a common theme with P&W's carreer, shame.

[Orion]

Apparantly their draft of Johnny English is nothing like the final film and the only reason they have a credit is because the intial story idea was theirs. I can't quite remember where i read that, possible an Empire article.

Sounds like a common theme with P&W's carreer, shame.

It wasn't as bad as what happened to their draft of The Italian Job (theres a reason they don't get a credit)

[Quantumofsolace007]

A few points Asuming Morgan Is adding to the story.

He is known for Political work as well as younger versus older. So perhaps this means Guy Haines will be the main villain of bond 23 or at the very least a more integral part of bond 23.

What do u think?

[Mr_Wint]

The World Is Not Enough Companion Guide by Iain Johnson reads:
"Apted still wanted more work on the character of Elektra. He felt the film would only work if her relationship with Bond worked. The studio suggested that the director's wife, Dana Stevens, who had written City of Angels and more recently The Love Game [....] would be the ideal person to do this.
Its almost the norm in pictures of this size to customise the writers for certain elements. There seemed to be no hard feelings as Purvis and Wade handed over to Dana Stevens. They had laid down the bedrock plot and it was indicated to them that they would be welcome aboard the next Bond film".

And, according to Apted, Feirstein's draft gave him "Bond".

I wouldn't mind if Bruce Feirstein did a polish on B23. These films needs some good humor.

[Harmsway]

I wouldn't mind if Bruce Feirstein did a polish on B23. These films needs some good humor.

They do, but Feirstein doesn't know the first thing about good humor.

[DaveBond21]

A quote from Empire magazine I posted earlier on this thread suggests it was P&W that actually came up with the ideas for DAD's ending after Tamahori originated the change in script.

Precisely. He also came up with the idea for Gustav Graves' robocop suit. Initially, it was always going to be a gadget, but Tamahori decided he wanted it to be an entire outfit.

[Napoleon Solo]

TWINE script history (probably incomplete):

1. Purvis & Wade deliver first draft. In this version, the pre-credits sequence first takes place in Cuba (source: Michael Apted commentary on TWINE DVD).

2. Dana Stevens does second draft. Her version has pre-credits version first taking place in Geneva (so the Swiss banker stuff makes more sense).

3. Bruce Feirstein takes over. The pre-credits sequence is changed to Bilbao. Apted, in his DVD commentary, comments about the changing locale, mostly because the museum in Bilbao was so spectacular. The final version of the movie also contains a set piece that was in Feirstein's initial draft of Tomorrow Never Dies, where Bond stabs a knife through a thug's bowtie while simulatneously causing the thug to lose his footing. I also remember reading a Brosnan interview saying that Feirstein was the last writer to work on the script.

[Greene Planet]

I have it all palnned out in my mind:

Producers Michael G. Wilson & Barbara Broccoli
Writers Peter Morgan & Neal Purvis & Robert Wade
Director Christopher Nolan

[Quantumofsolace007]

I have it all palnned out in my mind:

Producers Michael G. Wilson & Barbara Broccoli
Writers Peter Morgan & Neal Purvis & Robert Wade
Director Christopher Nolan

i wouldn't mind that not one bit


Slap the hildebrand rarity on that film and i'm very happy

[Greene Planet]

GENIUS!!!

[Richard]

This is bad news.
Who needs another tiresome, amateur script by Purvis and Wade just like their last four tiresome, amateur scripts.
Who needs them?

Peter Morgan is a brilliant playwrite and screenwriter.
He is also distinctly British, which is important.
He doesn't need help.
He can write a much better Bond script without Purvis and Wade.
If Eon has Morgan, they should dump Purvis and Wade.
Let some fresh air in for a change.

Richard