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[Tybre]

I saw the Queen first run. It wasn't that special, imo.

Actually, I agree. CASINO ROYALE is an infinitely superior film. Still, THE QUEEN is better than a kick in the teeth. It's better than a slap in the face with a wet kipper. Just about.

Frost/Nixon never stirred my loins from whatever I saw and read in pre-release...so I never saw it first run. Neither dvd.

I've heard very good things about it from people I trust. Also, my favourite critic, Leonard Maltin, gives it **** out of ****. Like I say, it's on my rental list.

What's the deal with The Deal?

It's about the power struggle between Tony Blair and Gordon Brown that resulted in the former becoming Prime Minister in the 1990s instead of the latter. Excellent stuff, made for British TV a couple of years ago. As with THE QUEEN and the upcoming THE SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP, Blair is played by Michael "Blofeld" Sheen.

I think THE DEAL kicks the out of THE QUEEN, but then perhaps that's because I'm much more into politics than sentimental, unbelievable, fawning rubbish about Her Maj and co.

So my question Is Peter Morgan going to add a politcal thriller spin to bond 23?

Given his track record, it's entirely possible, but we have no idea of knowing until we get story info or unless someone sneaks into his house and hides under his bed.

[Quantumofsolace007]

I saw the Queen first run. It wasn't that special, imo.

Actually, I agree. CASINO ROYALE is an infinitely superior film. Still, THE QUEEN is better than a kick in the teeth. It's better than a slap in the face with a wet kipper. Just about.

Frost/Nixon never stirred my loins from whatever I saw and read in pre-release...so I never saw it first run. Neither dvd.

I've heard very good things about it from people I trust. Also, my favourite critic, Leonard Maltin, gives it **** out of ****. Like I say, it's on my rental list.

What's the deal with The Deal?

It's about the power struggle between Tony Blair and Gordon Brown that resulted in the former becoming Prime Minister in the 1990s instead of the latter. Excellent stuff, made for British TV a couple of years ago. As with THE QUEEN and the upcoming THE SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP, Blair is played by Michael "Blofeld" Sheen.

I think THE DEAL kicks the out of THE QUEEN, but then perhaps that's because I'm much more into politics than sentimental, unbelievable, fawning rubbish about Her Maj and co.

So my question Is Peter Morgan going to add a politcal thriller spin to bond 23?

Given his track record, it's entirely possible, but we have no idea of knowing until we get story info or unless someone sneaks into his house and hides under his bed.

Peter Morgan Was picked for a reason I feel Now either A they prefer his dialogue In moves like the Queen over what they got from Haggis or B (m,ore likely) they liked Morgan because of his dialogue experties and his ability to write about politcal intrigue.


Considering Haines works for the Prime Minister perhaps Bond 23 will involve Quantum after all...

[zencat]

Weren't P&W doing Barbarella? Not anymore.

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[Tybre]

Weren't P&W doing Barbarella? Not anymore.

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Somehow I find the fact that they're remaking Barbarella much more disturbing than the thought of P&W ever having been involved with it.

[Quantumofsolace007]

So with the news Purvis and wade are off Barbarella (the project they were working on before they were going to do bond 23) Morgan is off his Hbo thing (the porject he was gonna do before bond 23) uhm hmm Can i saftly assume bond 23 writing is underway now without the likes of Captain tighpants and the more cynical members of CBN hounding me sayijng "you have no proof of this"


If they are all working on bond 23 now uhm I'm very happy. In fact this *could* mean Summer 2011 is the choosen release date.



I want to Point out I said Could not Does meaning bond 23 can come out whene ever the producers writers and director feel like realing the bloody thing.

[zencat]

Oh, I don't think there's any doubt they are working on Bond 23 right now (at least hammering out ideas). But I don't think we can infer a release date.

[HildebrandRarity]

I'm still willing to bet on the Thanksgiving/Christmas 2010 period. If, as I keep saying, a director announcement is made between now and the first week of September, then you can go banco on it!

[Quantumofsolace007]

I'm still willing to bet on the Thanksgiving/Christmas 2010 period. If, as I keep saying, a director announcement is made between now and the first week of September, then you can go banco on it!

and i still play it safe and say bond 23 will come out between November 2010 and August 2011.

the director conjecture (they asren't really rumours) is heating up at empire mag this might be a sign of something or complete rubbish we'll know soon enough.

[DaveBond21]

I'm still willing to bet on the Thanksgiving/Christmas 2010 period. If, as I keep saying, a director announcement is made between now and the first week of September, then you can go banco on it!

I've love it if you are right.

But I am thinking that November 2011 is the most likely date.

[Zorin Industries]

I'm still willing to bet on the Thanksgiving/Christmas 2010 period. If, as I keep saying, a director announcement is made between now and the first week of September, then you can go banco on it!

and i still play it safe and say bond 23 will come out between November 2010 and August 2011.

the director conjecture (they asren't really rumours) is heating up at empire mag this might be a sign of something or complete rubbish we'll know soon enough.

No, it's a sign of a slow news month at Empire magazine. Nothing more, nothing less.

[DamnCoffee]

But I am thinking that November 2011 is the most likely date.

Yeah, I agree. Considering it's been confirmed that Barbara Broccoli is producing everything and their mother, I think the idea of Bond in 2010 is becoming less likely.

[Quantumofsolace007]

But I am thinking that November 2011 is the most likely date.

Yeah this seems likely. Considering it's been confirmed that Barbara Broccoli is producing everything and their mother, I think the idea of Bond in 2010 is becoming less likely.

Time will tell but I don't get it they ffinaly have anamazing bond and they are gonna just wait out his contract like they did with the last amazing bond Dalton. GRRRRRRRRR.


Sorry I'm just impatient. I loved Casino Royale and Quantum of solace i'm looking foward to Risico/The property of a lady/the hildebrand rarity/ Shatterhand

I want it to come out sooner rather then later.

[DamnCoffee]

Craig's contracted for three Bond movies, with an option for a fourth. He recently stated that he'd be Bond until his joints break, so I don't think he'll be going anyway for a long time yet.

[Quantumofsolace007]

Craig's contracted for three Bond movies, with an option for a fourth. He recently stated that he'd be Bond until his joints break, so I don't think he'll be going anyway for a long time yet.

I hope so. to Be honest while I always loved 007 it wasn't until Casino royale and the announcement of Craig that i got really interested (reading the fleming novels joining this and a few ohter 007 sites) in 007. I would hate for the reason I am excited about 007 to leave after only 2 films.

[mcdonbb]

Alright, since your the infallible all knowing professional - you tell me, why do EON Productions use them, as opposed to many other screen writers in the UK?

Hate to jump back so many pages without reading aheah but bare with me let me vent. I dont really like P and W's story development but they do come up some new plot ideas although those seem to be becoming maybe less so "new".

My take the producers know this and recruited Morgan for dialogue, polish and to actually tell the story. My guess PW are hounding out ideas right now while Morgan is finishing up his upteen million new post-Nixon projects. Morgan will play the part of Haggis and actually give us the script we are hoping for.

Okay now I feel better

[Quantumofsolace007]

I honestly think this team will create an amazing 23rd bond film.

[The Shark]

Alright, since your the infallible all knowing professional - you tell me, why do EON Productions use them, as opposed to many other screen writers in the UK?

Hate to jump back so many pages without reading aheah but bare with me let me vent. I dont really like P and W's story development but they do come up some new plot ideas although those seem to be becoming maybe less so "new".

My take the producers know this and recruited Morgan for dialogue, polish and to actually tell the story. My guess PW are hounding out ideas right now while Morgan is finishing up his upteen million new post-Nixon projects. Morgan will play the part of Haggis and actually give us the script we are hoping for.

Okay now I feel better

I agree completely. Since I posted that, I've changed my mind. P&w are solid Bond writers, the producers should be lucky they have them under their sleeve.

[Bucky]

purvis and wade are pretty good at coming up with stories in my opinion. it is only in dialog that i feel they arent up to snuff but i am glad the producers have been bringing in credible screenwriters to remedy this.

[DamnCoffee]

You know, over the past couple of months, I really have warmed to Purvis and Wade considerably. I feel sorry for them in a way. I mean, how would you feel if you had the directors wife re-writing your script!? Or anyone else for that matter.

[SecretAgentFan]

purvis and wade are pretty good at coming up with stories in my opinion. it is only in dialog that i feel they arent up to snuff but i am glad the producers have been bringing in credible screenwriters to remedy this.

It´s a tired old horse but...

Did you read the original Purvis & Wade drafts? Why do you think that they cannot write good dialogue?

I´m afraid you are judging them only from the finished film. In which anything was subjected to a million different opinions and factors. Including those "credible screenwriters to remedy this".

So, before I accuse you of not knowing anything about how films are made, just please answer this:

Do you have the original first drafts of the Purvis & Wade scripts?

If so I´d love to read them.

If not...

[Zorin Industries]

You know, over the past couple of months, I really have warmed to Purvis and Wade considerably. I feel sorry for them in a way. I mean, how would you feel if you had the directors wife re-writing your script!? Or anyone else for that matter.

Welcome to screenwriting folks!

[Bucky]

purvis and wade are pretty good at coming up with stories in my opinion. it is only in dialog that i feel they arent up to snuff but i am glad the producers have been bringing in credible screenwriters to remedy this.

It´s a tired old horse but...

Did you read the original Purvis & Wade drafts? Why do you think that they cannot write good dialogue?

I´m afraid you are judging them only from the finished film. In which anything was subjected to a million different opinions and factors. Including those "credible screenwriters to remedy this".

So, before I accuse you of not knowing anything about how films are made, just please answer this:

Do you have the original first drafts of the Purvis & Wade scripts?

If so I´d love to read them.

If not...

i will admit that this assumption comes from seeing the finished product of die another day.

although i also think that there is some truth to it because i don't think the producers would go through all of this trouble of bringing in renowned writers to work on the screenplays just to have their names on the credits.

[Judo chop]

although i also think that there is some truth to it because i don't think the producers would go through all of this trouble of bringing in renowned writers to work on the screenplays just to have their names on the credits.

Perhaps we are pathetically naive to the workings of filmmaking, but I'm with you Bucky. I find it near impossible to believe that, through 1998 and 2002, P&W had penned dialogue on the same level as the best stuff of CR and QOS only to have it removed and replaced with the predictable and juvenile work that appears in TWINE and DAD.

I believe there is some connection between Pervis and Wade’s names on the credits and the quality of the writing that follows. Going one step further, I think there is enough connection to come to the conclusion that P&W, left to their own faculties, aren’t capable of writing in the style of the great Bondian wittiness that I, and most others, want.

I’m wise enough to realize I could be wrong about that, but bravely foolish enough to insist that I’m not.

[SecretAgentFan]

Hey, guys, didn´t want to sound like an idiot.

I do not say that Purvis and Wade actually are wonderful dialogue writers who are just constantly getting re-written by worse people.

I´m just saying that I really don´t know how good or bad they are. And unless one can read their original, un-tempered first drafts, well, nobody can know.

The mere fact that EON hired other people to polish the dialogue, however, does not either tell us anything about P&Wß´s quality.

Let´s face it: most big budget films get re-written again and again just to fulfill the needs of the director, the stars, the studio etc.

Sometimes you can write the best and wittiest dialogue. But someone who has got more to say than you will just want to throw his weight around. Or he wants to get a friend or relative a quick earning job. Or he just does not recognize good dialogue and wants to substitute his own like: Hey, do you know what really good dialogue would be? She should reply: "Yo´ Mama!"

Yes.

Or... you could re-boot your series and try to get critics on board. Therefore you do not choose your nephew or the director´s wife but you get a serious arthouse-writer and Oscar-contender. That will work. Everybody will say: Only because he is sooo good the script finally gets great dialogue. The other guys are just, you know, providing some plot.

Catch my drift?

By the way, my name is neither Purvis nor Wade.

But I am a working screenwriter and have my scars to prove it.

[The Shark]

i will admit that this assumption comes from seeing the finished product of die another day.

I think Tamahori was certainly an arrogant and naive enough director to rewrite a lot of the dialogue. After he all, he probably based a lot of the wordplay on his chat up lines as a Kiwi drag queen.

[SecretAgentFan]

i will admit that this assumption comes from seeing the finished product of die another day.

I think Tamahori was certainly an arrogant and naive enough director to rewrite a lot of the dialogue. After he all, he probably based a lot of the wordplay on his chat up lines as a Kiwi drag queen.

That´s low, come on.

[Panavision]

There's a reason why Purvis and Wade are kept on, they are great collaborators. If they were difficult to work with, then the producers would have let go of them ages ago. It's difficult to gauge their input on the shooting script, because by then a few more opinions have been applied. By the editing stage, that script is jettisoned anyway, the film editor re-imagines the film from the ground-up with the director.

I do like the idea of an extended break, gives them more time to figure out the direction and story. I think QoS was a major disappointment, the coda of the film was the story they should have focused on, in my opinion.

[SecretAgentFan]

The question is: how much time will they actually have?

When Haggis wrote his draft for "QOS" before Forster came onboard there was still enough time. But then Forster hated the direction the script was going and Haggis had to start anew - now with the writer´s strike approaching.

In the end, more time to write something is always a pleasure. But it does not always yield better results.

It´s all speculation, of course, but my feeling is that between Haggis and Forster there was the alpha director struggle. And EON, of course, backed their director in the end, not the screenwriter. That´s why Haggis is not returning IMO.

[Zorin Industries]

Neil Purvis and Robert Wade are writing the script with Peter Morgan. The latter is not - as Paul Haggis was not - some mythical "script doctor" who comes in and cleans up the project at the end. And as the film will not emerge for a while, that seems plenty of time to iron out and chisle the script into something all are happy with.

[Double-Oh Agent]

In the end, more time to write something is always a pleasure. But it does not always yield better results.

Great point--and one that is all too frequently forgotten around these parts (particularly by those championing a longer than two-year film cycle).

It´s all speculation, of course, but my feeling is that between Haggis and Forster there was the alpha director struggle. And EON, of course, backed their director in the end, not the screenwriter. That´s why Haggis is not returning IMO.

Interesting idea.

And as the film will not emerge for a while, that seems plenty of time to iron out and chisle the script into something all are happy with.

Would you say that worked out for Die Another Day? While I like the film okay, there are many others that dislike it to varying degrees and in who's case the three-year gap certainly did not equate to a better film.

A three or more year gap between films does NOT guarantee a great or even good film (see Indy IV or a handful of Star Trek films, perhaps even the second Star Wars trilogy). It does, however, guarantee fewer Bond films.