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[Marquis]

Starts at about the 33:40 mark...

http://www.bbc.co.uk...rammes/b00f0yyw

[Safari Suit]

Ooh, thanks.

[bondrules]

hasn't started...my bad

Edited by bondrules, 24 October 2008 - 04:32 PM.

[Safari Suit]

A typically entertaining example of Kermode's hubris-driven wit. It's a shame he didn't like the film, but at least he gave us an entertaining review.

[Loomis]

Oh dear.

A very damning, worrying review.

I initially thought it dismissable because Kermode starts off by ripping on the "awful" theme song and the "incomprehensible" title ("How original" ), but it soon becomes clear that he does indeed know his Bond and what works and what doesn't.

Hmmm....

[bondrules]

Is there a way to listen to it w/o d/l the iplayer?

[baerrtt]

Oh dear.

A very damning, worrying review.

I initially thought it dismissable because Kermode starts off by ripping on the "awful" theme song and the "incomprehensible" title ("How original" ), but it soon becomes clear that he does indeed know his Bond and what works and what doesn't.

Hmmm....

Kermode has 'damned' other films that I've ended up enjoying (THE DARK KNIGHT for one). In the end I won't allow these reviews (negative or positive) to colour my perception of QOS when I do eventually view it for myself and neither should you.

This is a franchise that, during the 70s and 80s, some mainstream critics thought was worthless yet there are entries during those decades that I rank among my personal favourites in the series. How some of you have remained fans of Bond pre-CR when reviews of the previous films have ranged from average to middle of the road at best is sometimes beyond me.

[stamper]

What worries me is not now that I was let down by the movie, it's the idea that this might truly be the last bond movie ever if it tanks (and I say we have seen nothing, re-bad reviews from either the press of the public yet). Craig is good for sure, but he's not getting younger. I think Sony expect 300 millions US box office. They will be lucky if they get past 130, because the movie isn't solid or surprising. Plus the female audience will not flog in, especially after word of the mouth comes. (No pun intended). Hmmm... again can't wait for all you guys on this board opinion.

[PPK_19]

This film will in no way Tank Stamper. Its Bond. After the success of CR, people will still flock to this film, no matter how bad it might turn out to be. It will probably take about the same as Casino Royale in the box office.

[jaguar007]

The reviews to this are similar to Indy 4 and that still managed to haul in almost $800million.

As a previous poster pointed out, Bond movie reviews have usually been rather mixed (until CR that is).

[PPK_19]

This film will in no way Tank Stamper. Its Bond. After the success of CR, people will still flock to this film, no matter how bad it might turn out to be. It will probably take about the same as Casino Royale in the box office.
The reviewer got so angry when he was talking about product placement lol

[HildebrandRarity]

But more importantly, this guy's review won't end up in RT, which means we're still running 91 percent fresh.

As for stamper thinking Sony is expecting $300mil in the US...are you out of your mind, stamper?

DAD and CR were in the 160-170 range. I doubt Sony is making plans for anything other than a 160-185 range.

And have you forgot? We've got a global economic depression brewing.

Stamper...I think you need to relax. Relax, Baby.

[Safari Suit]

I initially thought it dismissable because Kermode starts off by ripping on the "awful" theme song and the "incomprehensible" title ("How original" ), but it soon becomes clear that he does indeed know his Bond and what works and what doesn't.

To be fair, his grievances with the title do seem to be related to the film's decision not to expound upon its meaning, rather than objecting to it on an ad-hoc basis.

Kermode has 'damned' other films that I've ended up enjoying (THE DARK KNIGHT for one). In the end I won't allow these reviews (negative or positive) to colour my perception of QOS when I do eventually view it for myself and neither should you.

This is a franchise that, during the 70s and 80s, some mainstream critics thought was worthless yet there are entries during those decades that I rank among my personal favourites in the series. How some of you have remained fans of Bond pre-CR when reviews of the previous films have ranged from average to middle of the road at best is sometimes beyond me.

I quite agree. I am secure enough in my fondness for the franchise to wither a few bad reviews, or even, if worst comes to worst, films.

And no, this wont be the last. No way.

[Invincible1958]

What worries me is not now that I was let down by the movie, it's the idea that this might truly be the last bond movie ever if it tanks (and I say we have seen nothing, re-bad reviews from either the press of the public yet).

Even if it tanks, it won't be the last Bond movie.
You know, that critics claimed the end of the 007-franchise at least once in every decade. We all should know that this is not going to happen.

I think Sony expect 300 millions US box office.

lol

No way do they expect 300 million box office in the US. They are realistic. And only 2 movies (Goldfinger and Thunderball) made $300+ million (adjusted for inflation) in the US. They are not dumb.

Casino Royale made $167 million in the US. SONY surely expects more than that. But I don't think that they even expect $200+ million.

[Harmsway]

I've seen enough reviews to know that my reaction to QUANTUM OF SOLACE cannot be entirely predicted in advance. QUANTUM OF SOLACE is controversial.

However, the negative reviews haven't made me lose hope. They've made me all the more interested to see it, whether I ultimately think it's a masterpiece or an interesting mess.

[bondrules]

Is there a way to listen to it w/o d/l the iplayer?

Nevermind.

Here is the Youtube Video Link

[HildebrandRarity]

Oh dear.
....

What, specifically, is it that he says that's got you all sad, my old friend?

[timmyv123]

My goodness, the 2 lads completely rip it to bits!

[kneelbeforezod]

I've seen enough reviews to know that my reaction to QUANTUM OF SOLACE cannot be entirely predicted in advance. QUANTUM OF SOLACE is controversial.

I totally agree, I really have no idea what the hell I'm going to think. But to quote Han Solo, "I've got a bad feeling about this".

[bondrules]

The most important opinion will be my own...but this guy sounds very convincing.....

I can't believe he said that QoS made him feel he was watching a Michael Statham movie....I guess he is referring to The Transporter

[MattofSteel]

Already considered the most polarizing Bond film ever, I'd say. My own opinions going in won't be affected by pre-release reviews, but I am slowly coming to a few conclusions about the general consensus, as it's emerging.

I'm thinking this is somewhat reminiscent of Superman Returns (a film that I loved, personally). It's like...for every single decision made correctly that benefits the film, there is an accompanying one that is just so colossally wrong that it removes credit.

I have another theory about some of the film's qualities brewing in my head, but I'll wait to voice it until after the film is released. I almost want to suggest that these aspects being criticized weren't entirely "unintentional." But it kind of relates to my own personal point of view on life right now, and I'd rather not get into the matter until after I've seen it.

[sorking]

I've seen enough reviews to know that my reaction to QUANTUM OF SOLACE cannot be entirely predicted in advance. QUANTUM OF SOLACE is controversial.

I totally agree, I really have no idea what the hell I'm going to think. But to quote Han Solo, "I've got a bad feeling about this".

An apt quote given that Kermode is also very anti the original Star Wars films, and the Pirates saga.

As ever with the reviews, take them for what they are - but trust those whose taste matches your own. Kim Newman at Empire tends to line up with my own tastes, so I'll stick with my lovely four stars, thanks.

[kneelbeforezod]

This guy is a ing tool!

A View to a Kill was NOT a bad song, plus Bond does find his Quantum of Solace. This guys attitude stinks. Period.

Sadly he knows what he's talking about. Incidently Jonathan Ross hinted that he didn't like it much on his radio show, he said it was fun, but nowhere near as good as CR, and that they screwed up the script.

What Kermode says about Roger Michell now seems especially pertinent.

Edited by kneelbeforezod, 24 October 2008 - 06:30 PM.

[doubler83]

God, I love this place sometimes.

[kneelbeforezod]

An apt quote given that Kermode is also very anti the original Star Wars films, and the Pirates saga.

As ever with the reviews, take them for what they are - but trust those whose taste matches your own. Kim Newman at Empire tends to line up with my own tastes, so I'll stick with my lovely four stars, thanks.

Yeah. I agree with Kermode a lot of the time with a few glaring exceptions, mainly his baffling trashing of Munich. But part of that was his general disdain for Spielberg when he makes "serious" films. Sadly he has no such axe to grind with QOS.

[MattofSteel]

I can't believe I have to wait 18 more bloody days to truthfully get in on this discussion.

[timmyv123]

This time next week I'll have seen it

[MarkA]

The thing that worries me enormously about this review is Mark Kermode is my favourite critic because I always tend to agree with him. He is not some snobby reviewer who looks down on these films he knows his stuff and is a fan. (Incidentally he didn't trash Dark Knight, he had problems with certain scenes and they were valid). After such a great film in Casino Royale we are in for a bumpy ride. Will report back when seen.

[doubler83]

Love this part:

"like watching Teletubbies bouncing around in a padded cell"

[Matt_13]

He seemed honestly annoyed with it, and he stated very good points about the Bourne movies. I'll still wait and see, my hopes haven't gone down yet.