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[danslittlefinger]

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James Bond actor Daniel Craig is set to star as bisexual Roman emperor Hadrian in a new film.

The 40-year-old is said to be the favourite to play the lead in ‘Memoirs Of Hadrian’, directed by Brit John Boorman.

The film will follow the life of the eccentric leader, who ruled from 117 to 138 AD, including his affair with a young Greek boy named Antinous and his wife Sabina denying him children.

'Quantum Of Solace' star Craig previously caused sensation by implying that his 007 agent character should embark on a homosexual relationship.

He said: "Why not? I think in this day and age fans would have accepted it. No-one blinks an eye."

'Memoirs Of Hadrian' is based on the 1951 novel by French author, Marguerite Yourcenar.

Edited by danslittlefinger, 29 July 2008 - 07:43 PM.

[Vauxhall]

Ah more fuel to the fire of the CraigNotBond-ers. I approve!

I like the sound of this project actually. Yet another different sort of role for Craig to get his teeth into.

[Jim]

Hadrian exhibit opens.

The dross concludes that the only way it can connect to this is by a film.

About as real as believing that the only content of The Bible worth noticing are the bits with Charlton Heston in them.

Pathetic.

[broadshoulder]

Christ! A role made for Dan!

He's already played gay with Derek Jacobi in 'Love is the Devil' so this would be no stretch for him. I've read the Marguerite Yournecar book and its not that salacious theres no gay sex in it. Its all deep and meaningful looks and is a damn good story.

Dan is almost born to play a Roman Emporer. I always pictured him as Emporer Tiberius - all brooding looks and tossing people off cliffs on Capri. Dan can play most things and I thought sooner or later he'd play kings or Generals. This one can be unmissable.

I'd certainly pay to see it. Dan as Hadrian and Shia Lebouf as Antonious. Brokeback Mountain in togas..

Lets wait for the homophobic asides to start..one..two..three..go!!

[MkB]

A film adaptation of the wonderful Memoirs of Hadrian by M. Yourcenar is a real challenge. I'm glad Dan is considered, I think he is an actor made of the right fabric to play Hadrian. And please let's not reduce this role to a "bi-sexual" character. Yourcenar's Hadrian was bi-many things, most notably emperor AND philosoph. This might be of greater interest.

[Safari Suit]

I could see this being one of Boorman's over ambitious failures. At least I hope so; those are the interesting ones.

[ImTheMoneypenny]

A film adaptation of the wonderful Memoirs of Hadrian by M. Yourcenar is a real challenge. I'm glad Dan is considered, I think he is an actor made of the right fabric to play Hadrian. And please let's not reduce this role to a "bi-sexual" character. Yourcenar's Hadrian was bi-many things, most notably emperor AND philosoph. This might be of greater interest.

Agreed!

And as a historical note, such relationships were not uncommon. Spartans routinely had boys as lovers, it forged strong loyal relationships later on as the boys became tough soldiers themselves. Emperor Tiberius had young boys swim around his naked form nibbling at him, to name only a couple examples. As MkB has pointed out, social identity and sexuality in ancient civilizations are complex. To be honest, it's not as black and white as simply saying 'bi-sexual character'.

[Mercator]

I do not think Dancial should do this film as it will add the confusion when he will play 007 again. He should play what he is used to playing.

[Zorin Industries]

I do not think Dancial should do this film as it will add the confusion when he will play 007 again. He should play what he is used to playing.

I was wondering when this one would attract your attention, Mercator.

Are you seriously pretending to actually have these views? Actors act. And Roman emperors had sex with men. How that quite jeopardises the James Bond films is beyond me.

And as a historical note, such relationships were not uncommon. Spartans routinely had boys as lovers, it forged strong loyal relationships later on as the boys became tough soldiers themselves. Emperor Tiberius had young boys swim around his naked form nibbling at him, to name only a couple examples. As MkB has pointed out, social identity and sexuality in ancient civilizations are complex. To be honest, it's not as black and white as simply saying 'bi-sexual character'.

A voice of reason on CBN...?! Thank God!

Well said ImTheMoneypenny.

Christ! A role made for Dan!

He's already played gay with Derek Jacobi in 'Love is the Devil' so this would be no stretch for him.

Yes, you only need to try gay once and the stretching factor gets a hell of a lot easier.

Yes - this thread will no doubt throw up the anti-gay parade who think all cinema is made by straight men in their 1950's suits in the corridors of Pinewood Studios.

[Mercator]

I have no understanding of why you question me. All I have said is that the image of a Bond actor must be avoiding of confusion. And that the previous successful actors (Sir Brosnan, Sir Moore and Sir Connery) have never played these sorts of characters - they have no confusions. Why is that so difficult for you to understand? Are you have the joke? What I say is truth - even Cubby said so. But I guess you do not know who Cubby was

[Skudor]

Sounds like an interesting movie. Will definitely be watching it.

[ImTheMoneypenny]

And as a historical note, such relationships were not uncommon. Spartans routinely had boys as lovers, it forged strong loyal relationships later on as the boys became tough soldiers themselves. Emperor Tiberius had young boys swim around his naked form nibbling at him, to name only a couple examples. As MkB has pointed out, social identity and sexuality in ancient civilizations are complex. To be honest, it's not as black and white as simply saying 'bi-sexual character'.

A voice of reason on CBN...?! Thank God!

Well said ImTheMoneypenny.

Thank you Zorin.

[Zorin Industries]

I have no understanding of why you question me. All I have said is that the image of a Bond actor must be avoiding of confusion. And that the previous successful actors (Sir Brosnan, Sir Moore and Sir Connery) have never played these sorts of characters - they have no confusions. Why is that so difficult for you to understand? Are you have the joke? What I say is truth - even Cubby said so. But I guess you do not know who Cubby was

I know very well who Cubby was - believe me.

Pierce Brosnan has played gay.

Roger Moore has played gay.

Sean Connery has played gay.

And for the record, gay men have directed, acted, written, designed and financed James Bond films.

[Mercator]

When did they do? Not before they were Bond no? When did this happened?

You have misunderstandings - I do not think is wrong to play the gays. I think it is confusion for public, no? Sir Brosnan, Sir Moore and Sir Connery always played suave charaters when they were 007s. Is all that I say. Cubby did not like them to do other things. Well, I don't think you have the understanding of Cubby. He was great. You have the misunderstood me. I have no pejorative against the gays at all. Is wrong to have the prejudice, no?

Edited by Mercator, 30 July 2008 - 02:24 PM.

[Skudor]

And I think the counter argument is that really it doesn't matter. People do not get confused.

[Righty007]

Sir Brosnan...

He's not Sir Pierce Brosnan.

[Zorin Industries]

When did they do? Not before they were Bond no? When did this happened?

You have misunderstandings - I do not think is wrong to play the gays. I think it is confusion for public, no? Sir Brosnan, Sir Moore and Sir Connery always played suave charaters when they were 007s. Is all that I say. Cubby did not like them to do other things. Well, I don't think you have the understanding of Cubby. He was great. You have the misunderstood me. I have no pejorative against the gays at all. Is wrong to have the prejudice, no?

Pierce Brosnan called "the gay" in THE LONG GOOD FRIDAY and THE MATADOR.

Roger Moore played gay in BOAT TRIP.

George Lazenby played gay in SAINT JACK.

Daniel Craig played gay in LOVE IS THE DEVIL, ENDURING LOVE (well, he had a snog with Rhys Ifans) and INFAMOUS.

[Skudor]

When did they do? Not before they were Bond no? When did this happened?

You have misunderstandings - I do not think is wrong to play the gays. I think it is confusion for public, no? Sir Brosnan, Sir Moore and Sir Connery always played suave charaters when they were 007s. Is all that I say. Cubby did not like them to do other things. Well, I don't think you have the understanding of Cubby. He was great. You have the misunderstood me. I have no pejorative against the gays at all. Is wrong to have the prejudice, no?

Pierce Brosnan called "the gay" in THE LONG GOOD FRIDAY and THE MATADOR.

Roger Moore played gay in BOAT TRIP.

George Lazenby played gay in SAINT JACK.

Daniel Craig played gay in LOVE IS THE DEVIL, ENDURING LOVE (well, he had a snog with Rhys Ifans) and INFAMOUS.

What about Timothy Dalton? Surely he must have, before and after becoming Bond.

[Righty007]

Can we get back on topic? Thanks.

[Zorin Industries]

Can we get back on topic? Thanks.

What - and this isn't? (!)

ZI x

[baerrtt]

When did they do? Not before they were Bond no? When did this happened?

You have misunderstandings - I do not think is wrong to play the gays. I think it is confusion for public, no? Sir Brosnan, Sir Moore and Sir Connery always played suave charaters when they were 007s. Is all that I say. Cubby did not like them to do other things. Well, I don't think you have the understanding of Cubby. He was great. You have the misunderstood me. I have no pejorative against the gays at all. Is wrong to have the prejudice, no?

Pierce Brosnan called "the gay" in THE LONG GOOD FRIDAY and THE MATADOR.

Roger Moore played gay in BOAT TRIP.

George Lazenby played gay in SAINT JACK.

Daniel Craig played gay in LOVE IS THE DEVIL, ENDURING LOVE (well, he had a snog with Rhys Ifans) and INFAMOUS.

What about Timothy Dalton? Surely he must have, before and after becoming Bond.

He played gay in THE LION IN THE WINTER (a performance that first drew Cubby to him might I add) and unless I'm misremembering has a scene in the tv movie FRAMED where his character seduces a man, which happened whilst he was still under contract as Bond.

[ImTheMoneypenny]

What about Timothy Dalton? Surely he must have, before and after becoming Bond.

King Philip of France in The Lion in Winter, a brilliant performance, could have easily run away with the movie, if he hadn't been paired with such a fine collection of actors.

Back on topic, this looks like a very interesting project if they do it right. If Craig takes the role, they are certainly heading in the right direction. I keep thinking of the spectacular painting by Frank Frazetta "Roman Chariot", a cover of a sword and sandal potboiler novel called 'Child of The Sun' in 1972. A strong warrior Emperor.

[Mercator]

For the some reasons you have not had the understanding of me.

I have said that the most successful Bond (Pierce, Roger, Sean) were NOT with rolls of the gays (and the villainy) before they played 007. There was no confusion. List Zorin Industries has is after Bond (I have not herd of "Lang Good Friday" - not a big hit) and I have had the inclusion of Tim and George (they have not had success as Bond).

I am only saying that is better to avoid the confusion for the cinemas. We all have the liking for Bond on this websites but the publice do not follow so much like we have the doing. I am not saying it is bad to do and they should not (and I mean not just the gay but the villainy also). For the some strange reasons, nobody has the understanding of me.

Edited by Mercator, 30 July 2008 - 03:12 PM.

[BoogieBond]

For the some reasons you have not had the understanding of me.

I have said that the most successful Bond (Pierce, Roger, Sean) were NOT with rolls of the gays (and the villainy) before they played 007. There was no confusion. List Zorin Industries has is after Bond (I have not herd of "Lang Good Friday" - not a big hit) and I have had the inclusion of Tim and George (they have not had success as Bond).

I am only saying that is better to avoid the confusion for the cinemas. We all have the liking for Bond on this websites but the publice do not follow so much like we have the doing. I am not saying it is bad to do and they should not (and I mean not just the gay but the villainy also). For the some strange reasons, nobody has the understanding of me.

You have not heared of the Lang Good Friday LOL Excellent
Big hit amounst the villainys. Bob Haskins playyed one. One of his best Rolls.
Sir Brosnan did not play Gay in this film, he played the bait, also a Villain of sorts, and he according to you was one of the best Bonds.
How did the Audience not get confused after seeing The Lang Good Friday, and Say "Sir Broz is paying the Villain, being the bait for a gay man who he intends to kill, thats not right, he should play Bond, or a character like Bond all his life, as this could confuse the audience"

Edited by BoogieBond, 30 July 2008 - 03:59 PM.

[baerrtt]

For the some reasons you have not had the understanding of me.

I have said that the most successful Bond (Pierce, Roger, Sean) were NOT with rolls of the gays (and the villainy) before they played 007. There was no confusion. List Zorin Industries has is after Bond (I have not herd of "Lang Good Friday" - not a big hit) and I have had the inclusion of Tim and George (they have not had success as Bond).

I am only saying that is better to avoid the confusion for the cinemas. We all have the liking for Bond on this websites but the publice do not follow so much like we have the doing. I am not saying it is bad to do and they should not (and I mean not just the gay but the villainy also). For the some strange reasons, nobody has the understanding of me.

Christian Bale is a really successful Batman at the moment and aside from having played gay before he got the Batman part on the strength of his Patrick Bateman in AMERICAN PSYCHO, who's you know a villain.

The general public (read GENERAL not a minority) don't care about what an actor did onscreen however high profile the role was if they like the interpretation/actor in THE role they pay to see (Bond,Batman etc). But obviously you do.

Don't tarnish the paying public with your prejudices. Because more than often when you do that as the 'big boys' (the movie studios) have done you get BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN which makes huge amounts of money. You get the Captain Jack Harkness character a popular action hero creation(from men to women to children) of the 21st century who happens to be bisexual actually played by an openly gay leading man.

And then does your 'opinion' make any sense?

[Zorin Industries]

For the some reasons you have not had the understanding of me.

I have said that the most successful Bond (Pierce, Roger, Sean) were NOT with rolls of the gays (and the villainy) before they played 007. There was no confusion. List Zorin Industries has is after Bond (I have not herd of "Lang Good Friday" - not a big hit) and I have had the inclusion of Tim and George (they have not had success as Bond).

I am only saying that is better to avoid the confusion for the cinemas. We all have the liking for Bond on this websites but the publice do not follow so much like we have the doing. I am not saying it is bad to do and they should not (and I mean not just the gay but the villainy also). For the some strange reasons, nobody has the understanding of me.

Okay. I hear what you are saying. I think it's completely ludicrous, but you are entitled to your views.

I would like to suggest one name... one actor who the public have not been put off by when he played a homosexual on screen.

His name is Heath Ledger. He has apparently got a film out this week that is doing quite well at the box office. But three years ago, Heath Ledger played a gay cowboy in BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN (his co-star JAKE GYLLENHAAL is also currently filming the new DISNEY and kids orientated THE PRINCE OF PERSIA).

Heath Ledger has also played a drug addict (CANDY), a suicide victim (MONSTER'S BALL), a drug taking music star (I'M NOT THERE) and a murdering icon (NED KELLY). The public are flocking to see him in THE DARK KNIGHT because he is a superb cinematic presence. Daniel Craig falls into the same category. I understand he will set the box office alight in this new 007 thing they've got coming out.

Let's agree to the disagree.

[broadshoulder]

What about Timothy Dalton? Surely he must have, before and after becoming Bond.

A blonde Tim Dalton played Lord Darnley gay husband of 'Mary Queen of Scots'. He was very very good again.

[ImTheMoneypenny]

Christian Bale is a really successful Batman at the moment and aside from having played gay before he got the Batman part on the strength of his Patrick Bateman in AMERICAN PSYCHO, who's you know a villain.

The general public (read GENERAL not a minority) don't care about what an actor did onscreen however high profile the role was if they like the interpretation/actor in THE role they pay to see (Bond,Batman etc). But obviously you do.

Don't tarnish the paying public with your prejudices. Because more than often when you do that as the 'big boys' (the movie studios) have done you get BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN which makes huge amounts of money. You get the Captain Jack Harkness character a popular action hero creation(from men to women to children) of the 21st century who happens to be bisexual actually played by an openly gay leading man.

And then does your 'opinion' make any sense?

Agreed baerrtt! Bale and Ewan MacGregor had quite the scene in Velvet Goldmine. Didn't affect my views of their later roles.

Certainly our friend here is fooling with us. The general public is not as simple as to confuse actors with roles so much they cannot see them in anything else.

I was not confused that Tom Baker could be both Rasputin the mad monk and Doctor Who. And Sir Laurence Olivier played both a Nazi in one film, and an Nazi hunter in another film, yet he is known as Hamlet as well as Heathcliff. No confusion there!

[Santa]

For the some strange reasons, nobody has the understanding of me.

I know! How strange...

[DR76]

I do not think Dancial should do this film as it will add the confusion when he will play 007 again. He should play what he is used to playing.

Then this role as Hadrian shouldn't be much of a stretch for him. He has portrayed a homosexual at least twice.