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[Bondian]

Hi, Folks.

After Bond kills Colonel Jacques Bouvar in the PTS to Thunderball, and throws the Lilies over him. How would you take this?. Is he showing arrogance by giving him a kind of "remembrance" or "instant funeral" (the arrogant of Bond) or can you think of anything else?.

I do not usually make threads like this but it's a kind of 'let's sort this out'.

Please be honest.

Cheers,



Ian

[sharpshooter]

It was just the relaxed arrogance of the Connery Bond. He knows that the men are about to enter the room, yet he still has the cheek to mock his opponent with the 'instant funeral', and has the confidence that he will still escape - despite letting them catch up. It is similiar to when he paused for some grapes later in Thunderball.

[Loomis]

What sharpshooter said.

Unless, of course, it's supposed to be a reference to a famous play that packed out the Tank Theatre in Islington for a record-breaking twenty weeks in 1892, which is something that would obviously go over the heads of us STAR WARS geeks here.

[Zorin Industries]

I would have thought that BOND threw the lillies over the deceased as lillies are associated with death, funerals and being, well, dead.

[Mr. Blofeld]

I would have thought that BOND threw the lillies over the deceased as lillies are associated with death, funerals and being, well, dead.

This whole thread is basically meant to settle a conflict with Chula on another thread: The fan consensus should decide who the winner is.

[Bondian]

LMAO @ Loomis

Thank you for your replies chaps.

Anyone have any other ideas?.

Please do not let the 'other' thread sway your decision.

Cheers,


Ian

[killkenny kid]

He got the idea from that unpublished Bond novel, Lillies for a Lady.

[Pete]

I've never really given any other thought apart that it was already supposed to be Bouvar's funeral and Bond was giving him the flowers he deserved.

[hilly]

I'd always assumed that it was just a throwaway sight gag, in a similar vein to Roger putting the "out of order" sign on Kalba's corpse in TSWLM. The black humour and attitude to death that started with "Sergeant, make sure he doesn't get away" in Dr No and continued from then on. I'd never considered it to be an "instant funeral" or a "sign of arrogance". Just a visual joke....

[Double-0-7]

What Hilly said!

Black humor is a Bond trademark (Icon from another hottly debated thread?). With that said, I think this black humor includes a taste of arrogance as well.

[Turn]

What Hilly said!

Black humor is a Bond trademark (Icon from another hottly debated thread?). With that said, I think this black humor includes a taste of arrogance as well.

Yeah, a it's a perfect example of why the Bond films were unlike any other films at the time. You have brutal violence followed by a bit of throw-away humor to leaven the whole thing. Besides, the gesture beats a cheesy line, although TB was filled with great lines.

So many cool things thrown at you at once. Follow that with an escape in the jet pack, the Aston Martin's reappearance, Maurice Binder's credits and John Barry's music and it makes for a hell of a beginning to a film.

[Bondian]

Looks like Chula and I are even at the moment.

"Heaven. Definitely, heaven"

[rogermoore007]

Bond and Bouvar were lovers...

[Bondian]

Bond and Bouvar were lovers...

LOL.

[MajorB]

I'd always assumed that it was just a throwaway sight gag, in a similar vein to Roger putting the "out of order" sign on Kalba's corpse in TSWLM. The black humour and attitude to death that started with "Sergeant, make sure he doesn't get away" in Dr No and continued from then on. I'd never considered it to be an "instant funeral" or a "sign of arrogance". Just a visual joke....

Absolutely 100% on the money. Well summed up. You win, hands down.

[Mr. Blofeld]

Bond and Bouvar were lovers...

LOL.

The cards did say they would be lovers, after all...

[Icephoenix]

I'd always assumed that it was just a throwaway sight gag, in a similar vein to Roger putting the "out of order" sign on Kalba's corpse in TSWLM. The black humour and attitude to death that started with "Sergeant, make sure he doesn't get away" in Dr No and continued from then on. I'd never considered it to be an "instant funeral" or a "sign of arrogance". Just a visual joke....

Spot on.

[Aris007]

What Hilly said!

Black humor is a Bond trademark (Icon from another hottly debated thread?). With that said, I think this black humor includes a taste of arrogance as well.

Yeah, a it's a perfect example of why the Bond films were unlike any other films at the time. You have brutal violence followed by a bit of throw-away humor to leaven the whole thing. Besides, the gesture beats a cheesy line, although TB was filled with great lines.

So many cool things thrown at you at once. Follow that with an escape in the jet pack, the Aston Martin's reappearance, Maurice Binder's credits and John Barry's music and it makes for a hell of a beginning to a film.

I totally agree with you guys! I think that black humour is the feature that makes Bond films look different from other spy films, like Bourne. I don't know about you, but I love it!!!

Edited by aris007, 24 April 2008 - 04:53 PM.

[tambourineman]

Just Bond being a smartass and showing disrespect to Bouvars body, nothing too deep or symbolic. Bit like in Casino Royale where Bond cheekily slaps Dimitrios' face after killing him in the knife fight. A kind of sadistic victory coup de gras.

[Professor Dent]

I'd always assumed that it was just a throwaway sight gag, in a similar vein to Roger putting the "out of order" sign on Kalba's corpse in TSWLM. The black humour and attitude to death that started with "Sergeant, make sure he doesn't get away" in Dr No and continued from then on. I'd never considered it to be an "instant funeral" or a "sign of arrogance". Just a visual joke....

This was my take on it too. Bond stopping for a few extra seconds versus running away like he should be, always makes me chuckle.

[George Lazenby]

I always thought that the reason he throwed the lillie's over his body was a sign of Bond's male dominance.

[David Schofield]

It is fully explained in Ian Fleming's novelisation, Thunderball, isn't it?

[Royal Dalton]

That's right. In the novelisation, the widow's name was Lily.

[Bondian]

Interesting views. Thank you very much for your replies.

[DaveBond21]

I'd always assumed that it was just a throwaway sight gag, in a similar vein to Roger putting the "out of order" sign on Kalba's corpse in TSWLM. The black humour and attitude to death that started with "Sergeant, make sure he doesn't get away" in Dr No and continued from then on. I'd never considered it to be an "instant funeral" or a "sign of arrogance". Just a visual joke....

Spot on.

I always thought it was both a sight gag, and an "instant funeral".

[Mister E]

I'd always assumed that it was just a throwaway sight gag, in a similar vein to Roger putting the "out of order" sign on Kalba's corpse in TSWLM. The black humour and attitude to death that started with "Sergeant, make sure he doesn't get away" in Dr No and continued from then on. I'd never considered it to be an "instant funeral" or a "sign of arrogance". Just a visual joke....

Spot on.

Yeah it's just a gag.

[blueman]

Visual equivalent of "Shocking, positively shocking."